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Ebay question - I insulted a buyer, well, he insulted me.

I have a Mars Attacks card for sell on Ebay - $40 opening bid, $60 BIN. Someone emailed me asking me if I would end the auction early for $40. I informed him that $40 is the opening bid, and if he was the only bidder, then he would get if for his $40. Well, he seemed insulted that I worded it like that, saying he knows how Ebay works. I emailed him back saying that usually when people make offers, there is usually some incentive to end the auction early - with a $40 offer (same as the opening bid), then there is no incentive to end the auction early, and that if he didn't buy the card, I am sure someone else would.......am I in the wrong??

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  • I emailed him back saying that usually when people make offers, there is usually some incentive to end the auction early

    Spot on.

    Maybe next time instead of wording it like that though, you can just tell him you'll close the auction for $50. That would be fair - but you did nothing wrong. You just said what anyone else would have said.
  • tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭
    He was probably thinking that you would save ebay and paypal fees (if he used paypal gift) by selling at $40
    If he offered $45 and you accepted, he would be close to the same going through ebay/paypal
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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've said many times ebay buyers are idiots, sellers are crooks. Perhaps this buyer is a crook hopeing you're an idiot.
    Collecting 1960 Topps Baseball in PSA 8
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    Ralph

  • tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I've said many times ebay buyers are idiots, sellers are crooks. Perhaps this buyer is a crook hopeing you're an idiot. >>



    LMAO!
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I think any reply other than 'yes' would have insulted that dolt.
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    A better reply would have been 'for 40.00 I won't even be making lunch $ for it'





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    Good for you.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    ...lunch is a sticky subject around here. My GF has started this "detox" diet thing, where she is eating just apples, squash, and lord knows what else. I am trying to be supportive and eat the same, but it is hard......and as far as lunch money, I am only losing a little bit at $40. I got this lot from Heritage, and it all depends on what the raw Mars Attacks grades at....I had every intention of completing the set, but then my ADD kicked in and I unloaded some of the cards......

    On a side note, what do you think of my first jersey purchase??

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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    I would agree to his $40 offer, but only if he promises to rate you 5 stars in shipping and handling charges.
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would agree to his $40 offer, but only if he promises to rate you 5 stars in shipping and handling charges >>



    $40 was the opening bid. He didn't have to offer anything...he could have just bid. I guess some people just don't understand the concept of auctions, the bidding process, yadda yadda yadda..........and Ebay doesn't pay me enough to educate them!
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>$40 was the opening bid. He didn't have to offer anything...he could have just bid. >>



    Ah, yes, but then you would have no guarantee of the 5 star shipping and handling DSR which is absolutely huge. Worst case you don't make the deal, he wins, and then dings you for your shipping charge.
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    The shipping charge was free......I think Ebay blocked people from dinging shipping stars with free shipping. Seems like too many buyers were complaining about shipping charges when there weren't any to begin with. Maybe they wanted some cash back to purchase the item - oh wait...they got that in the form of Ebay bucks......
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would agree to his $40 offer, but only if he promises to rate you 5 stars in shipping and handling charges. >>

    I see what you did there.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Yes...wit abounds on the PSA message board......
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    Great looking signed jersey. Those things make great displays.

    Mike
    Buying US Presidential autographs
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Nice jersey Bobby.
    Good for you.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes...wit abounds on the PSA message board...... >>



    Where?
  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes...wit abounds on the PSA message board...... >>



    Yes, the Wit triplets...Nim, Half, and Dim
    Collecting 1960 Topps Baseball in PSA 8
    http://www.unisquare.com/store/brick/

    Ralph

  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Yes...wit abounds on the PSA message board...... >>



    Where? >>




    Lee
    Buying US Presidential autographs


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    << <i>

    << <i>Yes...wit abounds on the PSA message board...... >>



    Where? >>




    Lee >>


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  • Block the guy from bidding on your items. If you allow it, and he wins, he may just ding you for the he$$ of it
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Block the guy from bidding on your items. If you allow it, and he wins, he may just ding you for the he$$ of it >>



    I did - thanks for the advice.
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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭✭
    Did you check what this card in PSA 6 sells for in VCP?
    The last 4 sales were all for under $40. Perhaps the buyer realized that you were unlikely to receive any additional bids over the initial price and was willing to pay slightly over market value in order to get the card quickly.
    Cheers,

    Robb
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The last 4 sales were all for under $40. Perhaps the buyer realized that you were unlikely to receive any additional bids over the initial price and was willing to pay slightly over market value in order to get the card quickly. >>



    All it takes is two. There is no denying that Mars Attacks is HOT right now - and all it takes it two.

    Bottom line - the opening bid was $40 via auction. He offered me $40 to end the auction now. Where is the incentive?!?! $40 is the MINIMUM I am willing to take. If he wanted the card, all he had to do was bid. There is no incentive whatsoever for me to end the auction now at the opening bid, as you cut yourself off from other people who might actually bid the card up.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    am I in the wrong??

    Hell no!! Spot on response IMO. Idiots and clowns abound on eBay.

    I know a guy who recently put up a complete set, some 600 cards, all PSA. So, he began several auctions at 99 cents (not all, but some). So he gets an email from a bozo that says he is interested in 15 of the cards and because he will get them for about $15, will he get free shipping. Say what??? Yo, clown boy...the 99 cents was the opening bid, not a BIN at 99 cents. This idiot wanted the seller to end the auctions early so he could scoop the cards, but the free shipping was his thing. IDIOT !!!

    You really have to take a breath and just laugh at these fools.

    FWIW, I would never end any auction early. It just isn't the right thing to do under any circumstances.
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    you just never know...

    look at the sale of this disc or dics...

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    If he had asked me that AFTER the auction was over and it ends without a winning bidder, that would have been acceptable. You don't ask somebody to end an auction early at the minimum bid to sell it to you. It cuts out a potential runup. All it takes is two.

    This dolt now made my blocked bidder list. He sent a snotty email about how I lost a bidder. I am not desparate for money. Next week, I will start the card at $35, provided noone bids this go round. As far as I'm concerned, he lost a seller, as it is getting harder and harder to find resonably priced sellers on Ebay!
  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭✭
    When a seller has a min bid on an auction that is higher than a card I need typically sells for I have sent the exact same question. I am willing to pay slightly more in a BIN scenario (ie end the auction now) rather than wait a couple of days. I have had mixed results and if the seller simply says, sorry I don't end auctions early I typically set my snipe and wait. If they were to respond as you did I would chose to not bid.

    While it is certainly true that all it takes is two people wanting your card for them to bid it past previous sales the fact that the card sold in October at auction, November at auction and December at auction for less than your starting price makes it less likely you will get the bidding war you are hoping for. Of course anything is possible as thousands of completed eBay auctions undoubtedly shows.

    The incentive, of course, is that he is willing to pay you over the market price for the card now. There is no guarantee that he will be willing to bid on the card in the auction scenario. With your response and block you have eliminated the buyer from competing for your card entirely thus shrinking your pool of potential buyers.

    Best of luck with your auction.
    Cheers,

    Robb
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Centering is everything with that set now.

    5 years ago each week you were lucky if 20 cards were up for auction.

    Today on any given week I see 100 on Ebay.



    Good for you.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Steve.....I typed in 1962 MARS ATTACKS PSA. I got 79 results for the week. I clicked it to auctions, to weed out the BIN's and got only 29 results. I am just not seeing the cards you are. When I was building the set, it was virtually impossible to find 99 cent auctions for these things. Granted, I am not running a 99 cent auction, but if you type 1962 MARS ATTACKS PSA 6, and sort them from lowest to highest, then I am 2nd from the top, with only PWCC's 99 auction card above mine. You just can't find these cards on Ebay as cheap as I have mine! That is why I didn't want to end my card early for only the opening bid. I feel as though I can get $40 from ANYBODY on Ebay, as this is a popular set, with 65 participants on the registry.
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stick to your guns bobbyw8469!

    I listed a 1964 Topps Venezuelan Harmon Killebrew PSA 4 a few weeks ago for opening bid of $199.00. Figured I would start high (actually quite low compared to some other Venezuelan's on eBay) and see what happens.

    Got a couple of emails from the same guy, he wanted the card for $40.00. I said not even close, no thanks. He emailed me again saying he had bought a bunch of Venezuelans in the last couple of weeks in the $40.00 range, so I checked and there were no HOF players in his purchases. No thank you.

    Dropped the opening bid on the re-list to $170.00 and still no bids, but sold the card locally for $150.00 and didn't have to ship it!

    You know what it's worth, don't give it away!!

    Joe
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • 356m356m Posts: 9 ✭✭
    I had one guy recently who bought/stole a pre-war hockey C55 HOF card tell me he had received the card undamaged, but the plastic slab in pieces that he wanted 10 back to regrade it & he would leave me positive feedback if i did. So i told him send me a scan of the card missing the pieces you claim & i will paypal u 10 back, I'm still waiting. Mine you I had already left him positive feedback when he paid me like 3-4 days after the auction ended. HE DID NOT LEAVE ME ANY ++ FEEDBACK WHICH I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT.

    There is basically very few reasons to not leave ++ feedback on a transaction as far as i'm concern. Its unfortunate one bad apple spoils it for the whole bunch!!

    I'm not going to say the buyers name but many of you out there would be very surprised or MAYBE i should??
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I very rarely leave feedback first, even as a seller. I had one buyer email me and say "Hey - if you leave me good feedback, I will leave you good feedback".....I thought to myself - sure, I'm game. So I left the dolt feedback. I am still waiting for mine........meanwhile, he made my blocked bidder list. I can give my cards away to ANYBODY. Not like it was a great sell. Basically stole the card from me....
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    Smart play, blocking a bidder because he hasn't left you feedback. A lot of sellers wouldn't recognize this as a savvy move- good thing you're not one of them!
  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Smart play, blocking a bidder because he hasn't left you feedback. A lot of sellers wouldn't recognize this as a savvy move- good thing you're not one of them! >>




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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    35 via check if you have not relisted.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Bobby to be clear, I meant that I would only see about 20 auctions.

    I did not mean that I see 100 auctions now, I meant, combined cards for sale
    and auctions. 79 is not that far from 'around 100'


    And why would you lower the price from 40.00 to 35.00? Did it ever occur
    to you that a 40.00 buyer did not use ebay the week it was listed at 40.00?
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You just can't find these cards on Ebay as cheap as I have mine! >>



    I suggest you look through completed auctions.

    I saw many net graded 6's going for that.

    Now please lets not debate what 'many' means.


    The specific card that we are talking about is OC.

    Put up a nicely centered card and see if it's not scapped up at 40.00.


    Good for you.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Funny thing....I have looked and looked and do not see the OC qualifier anywhere on my card. Maybe I am missing something, because I DID have dust removal on......



    << <i>Put up a nicely centered card and see if it's not scapped up at 40.00. >>



    Nicely centered?? If it was centered any better, it would be a '7', and then I would be asking $80 for it!! Pick your poison!



    << <i>Smart play, blocking a bidder because he hasn't left you feedback. A lot of sellers wouldn't recognize this as a savvy move- good thing you're not one of them! >>



    Thank goodness I don't have to worry about you BooPitts.....Any card over $5 is out of your price range!!!!
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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...........Basically stole the card from me.... >>



    Right there, and sadly many other places, is where you sound like a complete fool. My sincere apologies to fools everywhere.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Funny thing....I have looked and looked and do not see the OC qualifier anywhere on my card. Maybe I am missing something, >>




    Umm you are.




    Good for you.
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