Grades back from ATS.

TwoKopeiki

Had a coupon for 5 free coins and decided to submit a few random pieces i have laying around and I have been thinking of selling.

1813 Guadalajara was a gamble, since there are hairlines on the coin, but I've seen worse being slabbed.

Completely baffled by the Russian 5Kop - it's a coin that has been sitting in an album for about 6 years and I always thought was a nice original AU RB example.

1810 Mexico was also a surprise - should have been an AU58.

1816 Durango was in a PCGS VG8 holder, but definitely undergraded. VF25 is a more accurate grade for this coin, in my opinion.

1821/2 Guadalajara was a recent pick-up from the Hamilton show and I thought was an accurate grade. If you remember me posting about it after the show, I had to soak it in acetone to remove pvc and I was worried that some remained. Glad to see I got it all before submitting.

1813 is a heavily toned, weakly struck piece and I thought it was an AU, but not surprised NGC gave it an XF45.

And if you know me, you know I don't really stray into the Cap and Ray territory anymore, except when I find a nice original 1842 Zacatecas Type I (old eagle, medal alignment), as in this case.

British half penny graded about what I expected and the images are not yet up on NGC site to see if they attributed the number of gunports. This was one of the coins I just had laying around that I want to sell and wanted to get it into a holder before doing so.

Year ----- Mint Mark ----- Variety/Pedigree --------- Denom. ----- Grade
1789 ---- MO FM -------- ""CAROLUS IV"" ---------- 8R ---------- AU 53
1810 ---- MO HJ -------------------------------------------- 8R ---------- MS 61
1813 ---- GA MR -------- GUADALAJARA KM-111.3 - 8R ---------- VF DETAILS - SURFACE HAIRLINES
1813 ---- MO JJ -------------------------------------------- 8R ---------- XF 45
1816 ---- D MZ --------- DURANGO KM-111.2 ------ 8R ---------- VF 25
1821/2 -- GA FS -------- GUADALAJARA KM-111.3 -- 8R ---------- AU 55
1842 ---- ZS OM -------- EAGLE TYPE OF 1841 ----- 8R --------- XF 40
1789 ---- EM ------------------------------------------------ C5K -------- AU DETAILS - ALTERED COLOR
1799 ---- SOHO --------------------------------------------- 1/2P -------- MS 65 BN

I'll see if I have any old photos of the coins, but will post another set when they arrive.

TwoKopeiki

Found an old image of the 5 Kopecks.

TwoKopeiki

Durango that used to be PCGS VG8 and now NGC VF25

Zohar

Hit or miss sometimes. I tried crossing over a few myself and have not been successful where I felt there to be upside. The 5K does look a little reddish for these that tend to come dark, perhaps they believed it to have been dipped.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>Hit or miss sometimes. I tried crossing over a few myself and have not been successful where I felt there to be upside. The 5K does look a little reddish for these that tend to come dark, perhaps they believed it to have been dipped. >>



Who knows, Z. I can only attest for the last 6 years of this coin's life. Only thing I did to this one was an acetone soak when I initially acquired it, which didn't change the color if I remember correctly.

Here's the 1842 Type I

ajaan

Altered color?????

Zohar

That 1842 is lovely. Was that a scarcer variety?

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>Altered color????? >>



Yeah, no idea what that error message is. First time I see it, as well. That grade is not covered in their Details Grading Brochure I've seen Artificial Color before, as well as Altered Surface / Date, but not this one.



<< <i>That 1842 is lovely. Was that a scarcer variety? >>



Yup, that's the early 1842 Type I before the switched to a different die style and changed orientation from medal to coin.

Zohar

Very neat!

TwoKopeiki

Here's the 1789. It's a variety with Carlos IV legend and Carlos III portrait. During the transitional years of 1789-90 there are a number of combinations of legend and portrait. This one is really crusty. Some of the brown crud in the obverse legend came off in acetone before I sent it in. Also, as I'm looking at the high-res photos, I see some old hairlines in the field behind the head.

TwoKopeiki

1821 / 22 Guadalajara 8 Reales that I picked-up at the Hamilton show:

coinkat

good results and it sheds some light on the difficulty in grading the 8R

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i>good results and it sheds some light on the difficulty in grading the 8R >>




IMHO, that's a very forgiving statement 'Kat, especially if you put yourself into 2K's shoes, who definitely knows his subject. This is not a free service and is supposedly done by the top experts around.

The 1789 looks great and I can only imagine what the Soho 1/2d must be like.

WWW

Great looking coins. The 1842 Type 1 is very nice. I would have graded it XF45.

TwoKopeiki

Thanks for the comments, guys.

Dimitri, I do believe the graders have the expertise, but they are generalists, not specialists, so I wouldn't expect them to know how to grade different types of 8 Reales based on the production methods and the amount of detail the coin had coming out of the mint, like in the case of the Durango pieces. Having said that, you would think that they can consistently differentiate an AU from MS, which has not been the case with a few of my submissions over the last few years.

I will also post the Soho 1/2 when I receive the coins from NGC. It's a rather attractive piece.

Bill, as you know the pre-1842 Zacatecas eagle almost always comes weakly struck and if the coin is lacking luster that makes the weakness attributable to strike, the graders usually go by the technical detail. I would give it a 45, as well, but 40 is not an unreasonable grade.

dizzlecc

Better than average results, especially considering the high rate of hairlines that seem to come from the older mexico stuff.

The 1789 has good eye appeal.

The 1842 has really good detail for the type.

TwoKopeiki

Here's the halfpenny. I threw it up on eBay, but if anyone here is interested - let me know.

Zohar

Roman you really have a great eye.