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Coin collection robbery/brutal slaying in Ascension Parish, La., near Baton Rouge
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This home invasion reportedly took place over the weekend. Home invasion.
All the more justification for a Federal "Castle" Law.
All the more justification for a Federal "Castle" Law.
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sad to hear
a lot of good the safe did
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...lousy creeps.
<< <i>All the more justification for a Federal "Castle" Law. >>
It is the rule in my home, regardless of the law.
Jim
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<< <i>All the more justification for a Federal "Castle" Law. >>
Most people don't bother to have anything available whatsoever to protect themselves and family from things like this. Guns, dogs, alarm system etc. So what difference would it make??
"If you or another's life is in imminent danger"
"If you or another person is being kidnapped"
"If you or another person is being sexually assaulted"
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<< <i>All the more justification for a Federal "Castle" Law. >>
And a death penalty with a short appeals process that actually results in death in 3 years or less.
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<< <i>I view this tragedy as a reminder not to the talk about my coin collecting hobby with friends, family and acquaintances. >>
Good advice, I do not sell a lot on Ebay, but I am wondering if/when I do sll coins on Ebay, if I should start running them as private listings. Is there any advantage on going to private listings? I was thinking that if anyone looked back at my feedback, they would be unable to see that I sell coins. My thinking being that if crooks are looking for somone that has a history of selling coins, my feedback history would not show it if the listings were private?
Weigh just 9.7 oz. fit in a back pocket just like a wallet. You can buy perfect wallet sized holsters that the gun doesn't need to be
pulled out of to shoot. They are double action, no safety, just point and shoot the bad guy, 7 times if need be. They will never know what hit them.
Get one for yourself and your family. Hopefully you never have to use it, but train with it and be ready if need be.
<< <i>The Castle Doctrine should be a right not a law.
It is the rule in my home, regardless of the law.
Jim >>
It is, in Louisiana, where this happened.
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Here in west Texas, any ol' excuse for using guns is encouraged.
<< <i>In Texas, we are justified to use deadly force even for protection of property >>
A friend i went to high school with 30 years ago got a 30 day jail term for walking outside in his OWN yard with a pistol in hand telling some tresspassers to beat it.
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<< <i>That is why I keep everything in safe deposit boxes. I hope they find the creeps who did this, but it seems like the family put up a fight. Frankly, if someone broke in and threatned me or my family, I would happily give them everything without a single word. NOTHING is above the safety of my family. >>
Are you assuming criminals these days want to leave witnesses behind? Having your coins in a SDB won't help you in a home invasion.
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<< <i>That is why I keep everything in safe deposit boxes. I hope they find the creeps who did this, but it seems like the family put up a fight. Frankly, if someone broke in and threatned me or my family, I would happily give them everything without a single word. NOTHING is above the safety of my family. >>
Are you assuming criminals these days want to leave witnesses behind? Having your coins in a SDB won't help you in a home invasion. >>
Exactly. Keeping your coins in the SDB helps minimize the possibility of home invasion. Make sure everyone who knows you have a collection knows you keep it in the SDB. But be prepared for bad guys. If PMs continue to go up, you will be more and more of a "have" and there will be more and more desperate "have nots" out there. --Jerry
<< <i>That is why I keep everything in safe deposit boxes. I hope they find the creeps who did this, but it seems like the family put up a fight. Frankly, if someone broke in and threatned me or my family, I would happily give them everything without a single word. NOTHING is above the safety of my family. >>
Like I said. "Most people don't bother to have anything available whatsoever to protect themselves and family from things like this."
As has been said in countless other threads when such crimes are discussed, it is incumbent on those who keep valuables at home to be well armed, very well trained, and to properly secure their home. When these basics are neglected, we read about the results. Very sad.
Edited: I just read the article (the link did not work on my work computer). The fact that the victims had $500K worth of gold in their home only makes my above statement more applicable. It's nothing short of astounding that someone would keep this kind of wealth in gold coins in a home which was not secured with commercial level systems, cameras, etc. and that the owner of such items in a home would not be very, very well armed and equally well trained. Finally, anyone who keeps such items in a home should tell NO ONE. Unless this was an inside job by what should have been trusted family, they let someone know about the gold who shouldn't have.
Lastly, with that kind of $ in gold, a very heavy safe or better yet a vault room is in order.
Best yet, DON'T KEEP SUCH LOOT AT HOME!!!!!
<< <i>The Castle Doctrine should be a right not a law.
It is the rule in my home, regardless of the law.
Jim >>
So very true. That said, it is very rare for a truly justifiable shooting to be prosecuted unless in come ultra-lib place like D.C. or NYC, where the possession of the gun is the issue.
<< <i>Messed up what humans will do to one another for money... >>
and they often do such things for a LOT less than $500K!
<< <i>Lastly, with that kind of $ in gold, a very heavy safe or better yet a vault room is in order. >>
This may certainly be the difference between being a victim of a "crime of opportunity" burglary and not being a victim at all, at least with common thieves looking for "easy marks".
But I'd also say that if this is a sufficiently motivated AND violent perp who specifically has *you* identified as the target, it can also be the difference between the burglary of a vacant home and a violent home invasion. Thus making it critical that you don't tell people you have valuables at home in a safe.
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<< <i>Lastly, with that kind of $ in gold, a very heavy safe or better yet a vault room is in order. >>
This may certainly be the difference between being a victim of a "crime of opportunity" burglary and not being a victim at all, at least with common thieves looking for "easy marks".
But I'd also say that if this is a sufficiently motivated AND violent perp who specifically has *you* identified as the target, it can also be the difference between the burglary of a vacant home and a violent home invasion. Thus making it critical that you don't tell people you have valuables at home in a safe. >>
Exactly.
You make it very difficult for the breaking and entering perp to get anthing as they are not going to be prepared for a large safe or vault door. Needless to say, the safe and or vault door must be very well hidden. All it takes is for one contractor to see it.
As to the latter, that's why you don't tell ANYONE what you have. The hopefully very few (if any) family who knows must be instructed as to the importance of not telling anyone as well.
In this case, the perps did not use firearms and were thus likely just thugs who found out about the vault. Such perps should not be able to take down a well trained and well armed homeowner even if they know exactly whom and what they were after.
If one is going to keep that kind of loot at home (dumb, I think) then it really is incumbent on that individual to have SERIOUS security and SERIOUS training in both firearms, martial arts and defensive tactics. These most unfortunate folks seemed to have been totally, utterly unprepared to deal with any security threat.
Being a law enforcement officer in a very wealthy area I'm always stunned at how many people get robbed of very expensive possessions yet had no security who are just stunned that they were robbed in "such as nice area." The criminals go where the money is. Pretty basic.
<< <i>I think these guys knew what they were after and having the gold in a safety deposit box would only make this a hostage situation until the contents of the box was returned, then the results would have been the same. This wasn't some random event. Evil exist out there! >>
The hostage scenario is much harder to pull off and much, much less common. These perps certainly didn't seem sophisticated enough to have pulled it off. In the majority of the attempts at the hostage route law enforcement is tipped off and instead of the goods the perps get the SWAT team.
<< <i>You are probably right about the hostage scenario, but I still think these guys had some sophistication as the cops found the safe the same morning in another county along the side of the round. To have opened it and made off with the gold is not the sign of a bungling bunch of robbers, assuming the safe was better than something found at Walmart. >>
I've been a sworn LEO in a wealthy area for 10 years. B&E's where safes are taken are common. Violent episodes like this are, fortunately less so (but so is having $500K in gold in the house). In any case, unless a safe is VERY large and heavy, it does not take much planning or smarts to break in, cart it off in a truck and to open it later. All that has to happen is to know that the safe is there.
Clearly this was a targeted event, but sounds like some unsophisticated thugs who knew that there was a safe with LOTS of $$, who came in (likely trusted or known by the owners per the article), used blunt weapons to subdue the owners and took off with the safe. They will get caught. Such a stupid crime. They could have broken in and took the thing with a far less chance of being caught than doing what they did and having every LEO in the area thinking about gettting them 24/7. So stupid.
Thank you and every law enforcement officer that goes out and puts their butt on the line for us, the citizens!
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Corky
<< <i>Raufus
Thank you and every law enforcement officer that goes out and puts their butt on the line for us, the citizens!
Thanks
Corky >>
Thank you!!
<< <i>Raufus
Thank you and every law enforcement officer that goes out and puts their butt on the line for us, the citizens!
Thanks
Corky >>
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<< <i>Raufus
Thank you and every law enforcement officer that goes out and puts their butt on the line for us, the citizens!
Thanks
Corky >>
Thanks very much!!