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Why is an old scratch not as bad as a new scratch?

I'm talking about light scratches on older coins ( Draped bust, bust,maybe a little later coins.) I see it in print a lot selling coins.The scratch can be the same size but if its a new scratch its always worse, is it because it is shiny inside and shows up more?

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  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm talking about light scratches on older coins ( Draped bust, bust,maybe a little later coins.) I see it in print a lot selling coins.The scratch can be the same size but if its a new scratch its always worse, is it because it is shiny inside and shows up more? >>


    Yes, more noticeable.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Older scratches are often less noticeable since the coin has likely toned (scratch included) over time, while a new scratch exposes fresh metal that isn't the color of the surrounding coin. Also, if the coin circulated after the scratch was made, the scratch can get worn down a bit so it is smoother and overall, possibly a bit shallower.

    One other consideration is that an old scratch may well have come about through circulation and is, to an extent, natural. A new scratch is most often the result of a collector or dealer handing a coin sloppily.
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  • Thanks for the replies guys, Thats what I thought, I have an early dime with a very very light scratch on the reverse. It is a recent scratch and it shows up more than I like if you know where its at, probably a staple scratch, if it was an old scratch it would hardly be noticed.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of reasons.

    First, the old scratch is usually blended in via toning with the rest of the surfaces and does show as much.

    Second, a new scratch indicates that some modern dooffus has mishandled a coin which angers some collectors. In the old days, an injury could be excused because the piece was a coin of the realm and was being used in the economy. After it became a collectors' item one would expect better care. That's why collectors view numismatic sins like staple scratches and album slide marks in such a negative light.
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Toned over....age. Less noticable....as others have said.
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  • << <i>A couple of reasons.

    First, the old scratch is usually blended in via toning with the rest of the surfaces and does show as much.

    Second, a new scratch indicates that some modern dooffus has mishandled a coin which angers some collectors. In the old days, an injury could be excused because the piece was a coin of the realm and was being used in the economy. After it became a collectors' item one would expect better care. That's why collectors view numismatic sins like staple scratches and album slide marks in such a negative light. >>



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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Bill and the way I put it is we are far more likely to forgive old idiots than new idiots. image
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree with Bill and the way I put it is we are far more likely to forgive old idiots than new idiots. image >>



    At last I am given a free pass.....

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have one of those type of coins. It appalled me to look at the scratch, but the more I looked the more I began to appreciate the coin behind the scratch.

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have one of those type of coins. It appalled me to look at the scratch, but the more I looked the more I began to appreciate the coin behind the scratch.

    imageimage >>


    Looks like a die crack to me image
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think he was being facetious, but if not, he'll be pleasantly surprised when he finds out it's not scratched. That's a heck of a 1794, by the way. S70?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    New ones are worse because those are the ones we do ourselves
    the older ones were done by some other knucklehead.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The light scratch is vertical and fairly long - you can see it in the pic. S-70, I don't remember. I'd have to look at Sheldon, or my records. S-72 comes to mind.
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  • Yes, thats what I'm talking about. Just enough to bug you but not real bad. Makes me want to carry it (Mine) in my pocket for a week but its in a PCGS OGH so thats not going to happen.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's exactly what I said - I decided that I'd rather have that coin than not, even at the price. The die crack is pretty cool, too. I think it does depend on the coin.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Because it's a great marketing ploy.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An old scratch is sometimes referred to as a "weathered scratch". it has a tendency to blend in with the coin and is usually not as detracting to eye appeal as a new scratch.
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