I have been called chink many of times, and it was never intented to be anything but an insult.
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<< <i>So I guess "Chink in the armor" is now a banned phrase, no matter who is using it, no matter who is being discussed, and no matter what the context. Let's just ban words to conceal bad behavior and make everyone feel good without actually fixing any problems. While we're at it, we can start banning entire books as well.
You're missing the point and using hyperbole here...it wasn't the phrase itself that is/was offensive but when you use it to refer specifically to am Asian-American player, it's at the very least in very poor taste. And as I stated before, if a writer's judgment is so poor that he or she can't foresee the fallout that such a charged reference would result in, he or she simply doesn't belong in that position, period.
Edit to add: I'm referring to the headline writer here--the commentator's situation is a bit murkier, imo, and the phrase in the the context if that conversation wasn't as egregious, imo..I suppose that's the main reason he wasn't fired, either. >>
I'm not defending the headline writer at all, and I'm not missing the point. ESPN is the one missing the point, which is that the TV anchor interviewing Clyde Frazier was using a very common sports phrase that is getting attention ONLY due to the ethnicity of the player being discussed. If the point of political correctness is to help eradicate discrimination, (and I know I'm stating the obvious) it has gone awry far too severely and far too often to be effective. If we want to live in a colorblind society, we have to do just that. Either race matters or it doesn't. It shouldn't, but the PC police have decided it does.
What are the views of the board members regarding the names such as Braves, Indians, and Warriors as team names? How about the having an Native American as a mascot?
Is it acceptable or is it derogatory to Native American's?
What are the views of the board members regarding the names such as Braves, Indians, and Warriors as team names? How about the having an American Indian as a mascot?
Is it acceptable or is it derogatory to American Indians?
Bob >>
If I were Native American (I actually have some Native American blood in me), I would have no problem with it. Better to be remembered than forgotten. Plus the whole "PC" thing drives me nuts. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is something you teach children. It's pathetic when grown-ups don't grasp things that we teach children.
<< <i>Plus the whole "PC" thing drives me nuts. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is something you teach children. It's pathetic when grown-ups don't grasp things that we teach children. >>
<< <i>Actually....sticks and stones can make you sore...but nasty words will hurt you more. >>
I'd rather have hurt feelings than bruises and scars. Being an a-hole isn't a crime, but physical assault is. What's the worst thing that can happen when you are offended, you cry?
On Sunday, Bretos tweeted: "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community." >>
The Bretos incident does not appear to have been on purpose, but just a poor choice of words. I am sure that is why he wasn't fired also.
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<< <i>Actually....sticks and stones can make you sore...but nasty words will hurt you more. >>
I'd rather have hurt feelings than bruises and scars. Being an a-hole isn't a crime, but physical assault is. What's the worst thing that can happen when you are offended, you cry? >>
So I guess "Chink in the armor" is now a banned phrase, no matter who is using it, no matter who is being discussed, and no matter what the context. Let's just ban words to conceal bad behavior and make everyone feel good without actually fixing any problems. While we're at it, we can start banning entire books as well. >>
Slippery slope will be banned next.
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Considering the context, it does not matter if it was an intentional or unintentional occurrence. ESPN should know better.
There is no valid argument over political correctness here. The ESPN headline, the Whitlock and Floyd GirlWeather tweets were moments of blatant racism.
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On Sunday, Bretos tweeted: "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community." >>
So are Michelle Maglalang "Malkin", Connie Chung and Julie Chen. Doesn't stop them from publicly releasing verbal diarrhea about their own kind while forgetting to look in the mirror.
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Using the term "Ch__k In The Armor" may have been without any ill intent. However it was something that should not have happened, simply because of the context [Jeremy Lin being of Asian heritage and the word "Ch__k" having multiple definitions, one of which is a derogatory racial slur].
Political correctness can result in absurdities, since everyone can be offended by something. The concept of "never do or say anything that may offend" will, if taken to the extreme, result in the banning and prohibition of the following:
1. the word "short" [men under 6' and women under 5'4" will be offended];
2. the word "tall" [men over 6'6" and women over 5'9" will be offended] ;
3. the word "fat" [anyone 10 pounds over their ideal weight will be offended];
4. the word "skinny" [persons with eating disorders, including anorexia offended];
5. the words "male", "female", "man", "woman", "boy", girl", "he" and "she" [people who prefer gender neutrality will be offended];
6. the word "old" [people over 35 will be offended];
7. the words "gay", "lesbian" and "straight" [people who prefer sexual orientation neutrality will be offended];
8. the name of any religion, the word "religion" and the word "God" [people who prefer to not ever have the concept/idea or reliegion register on their consciousness will be offended];
9. the colors black, white, red, yellow, brown and pink; and the words "black", "white", "red", "yellow", "brown" and "pink" [for not to ban these colors and words will offend people who prefer not to have to be exposed to differences in the amount of melatonin a person has (or who prefer not to have to be exposed to the idea that sunburn can cause light skin to burn and turn pink in color)];
11. the word "fast" [so slow people will not be offended];
12. the words "beautiful", "handsome" and "ugly" [so people who are not beautiful or handsome are not offended];
13. the word "rich" [so that people who are not rich are not offended];
14. the word "death" [so that people who do not want to die are not offended]; and
15. most of the other words in the English language [since they would likely offend someone (in fact the word "English" is offensive to many].
So the ultimate outcome of the application of political correctness [so that no one is offended] is that every person on the earth should not speak a single word to anyone else, should not communicate by written word to anyone else, should not make eye contact with anyone else, should not make physical contact with anyone else and should just stay in one place for their entire life and do nothing. In that manner no one will be offended and the world will be in perfect harmony
I'm with you on this whole pc-consciousness crusade is covering up the truth about how things really are and how people really feel. How about every time someone utters the phrase "chink in the armor", the reading public is subjected to countless articles about the mistreatment of Chinese Americans throughout history? The fact that the men could not bring their wives to this country to start families, the fact that a Chinese person could not testify against a white in court, the fact that, up until 1964, the Chinese were excluded in large part from emigrating to the U.S. Maybe it's time to lay the cards out on the table, regardless of how it makes people feel.
<< <i>Considering the context, it does not matter if it was an intentional or unintentional occurrence. ESPN should know better.
There is no valid argument over political correctness here. The ESPN headline, the Whitlock and Floyd GirlWeather tweets were moments of blatant racism. >>
Couldn't agree more. Also, I'd argue that if Whitlock were white he would have been fired about three minutes after that tweet was posted.
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I read that AAJA release and it makes very good points. It's sad when something like this needs to be written but the evidence shows people still don't know any better.
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I think this whole thing is a simple case of a guy not stopping to think before "speaking". The phrase "chink in the armor" is originally a military term that has been around for centuries and has no racial connotaion whatsoever. The fact that he happened to utter it about Jeremy Lin's performance is just an unfortunate coincidental error and imo was totally unintentional. That said, I do agree with the poster who said that had this guy been white, he'd have been fired and ESPN would have issued a 20 page long apology to Lin, his family, the government of China, and anyone else they could think of.
I'm tired of all the PC stupidity; Everyone's a victim, everyone's oppressed, repressed, depressed, compressed...
If it is inevitable that society must conform to whatever is deemed to be Politically Correct or face serious consequences, then might as well go all the way and include EVERYONE [including caucasian men] within the protections of Political Correctness.
The terms "cracker", "honkey", "redneck", "good old boy", "hick", "whitey", "paleface" "milktoast", "Wonderbread", "trailer park trash", "cowboy", "hillbilly" "gravity hindered [white men can't jump ], "white boy", "white girl", "surfer dude", "white devil", "gaijin", "clumsy" [white men can't dance and are uncoordinated] and countless others must be banned and eradicated from human thought, writing, singing and speech.
If this does not happen, my civil rights will be violated; I will be "offended"; I will suffer emotional distress; and I am sure the Attorney General Eric Holder will take up my cause and have the Justice Department launch criminal and civil proceedings to stamp out such pervasive hate and provide me with justice.
What are the views of the board members regarding the names such as Braves, Indians, and Warriors as team names? How about the having an Native American as a mascot?
Is it acceptable or is it derogatory to Native American's?
Bob
Edited for proper use of Native American. >>
And how come when this issue comes up, we very seldom if ever hear from the views of actual Native Americans, only white know-it-alls who think they know what's good for minorities.
It's funny that where I grew up it was "kink in the armor" that was used to described a weakness. MJ
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<< <i>So I guess "Chink in the armor" is now a banned phrase, no matter who is using it, no matter who is being discussed, and no matter what the context. Let's just ban words to conceal bad behavior and make everyone feel good without actually fixing any problems. While we're at it, we can start banning entire books as well.
You're missing the point and using hyperbole here...it wasn't the phrase itself that is/was offensive but when you use it to refer specifically to am Asian-American player, it's at the very least in very poor taste. And as I stated before, if a writer's judgment is so poor that he or she can't foresee the fallout that such a charged reference would result in, he or she simply doesn't belong in that position, period.
Edit to add: I'm referring to the headline writer here--the commentator's situation is a bit murkier, imo, and the phrase in the the context if that conversation wasn't as egregious, imo..I suppose that's the main reason he wasn't fired, either. >>
I'm not defending the headline writer at all, and I'm not missing the point. ESPN is the one missing the point, which is that the TV anchor interviewing Clyde Frazier was using a very common sports phrase that is getting attention ONLY due to the ethnicity of the player being discussed. If the point of political correctness is to help eradicate discrimination, (and I know I'm stating the obvious) it has gone awry far too severely and far too often to be effective. If we want to live in a colorblind society, we have to do just that. Either race matters or it doesn't. It shouldn't, but the PC police have decided it does.
<< <i>Lindefensible! >>
Fixed.
<< <i>LINEXCUSABLE >>
Fixed.
What are the views of the board members regarding the names such as Braves, Indians, and Warriors as team names? How about the having an Native American as a mascot?
Is it acceptable or is it derogatory to Native American's?
Bob
Edited for proper use of Native American.
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<< <i>Just to add another spin to this topic...
What are the views of the board members regarding the names such as Braves, Indians, and Warriors as team names? How about the having an American Indian as a mascot?
Is it acceptable or is it derogatory to American Indians?
Bob >>
If I were Native American (I actually have some Native American blood in me), I would have no problem with it. Better to be remembered than forgotten. Plus the whole "PC" thing drives me nuts. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is something you teach children. It's pathetic when grown-ups don't grasp things that we teach children.
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<< <i>Plus the whole "PC" thing drives me nuts. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is something you teach children. It's pathetic when grown-ups don't grasp things that we teach children. >>
I think this sums it up!
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<< <i>Since when does the Golden State Warriors team name refer to indigenous people of North America? >>
Since 1946.
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<< <i>Actually....sticks and stones can make you sore...but nasty words will hurt you more. >>
I'd rather have hurt feelings than bruises and scars. Being an a-hole isn't a crime, but physical assault is. What's the worst thing that can happen when you are offended, you cry?
On Sunday, Bretos tweeted: "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community."
<< <i>Ahem...
On Sunday, Bretos tweeted: "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community." >>
The Bretos incident does not appear to have been on purpose, but just a poor choice of words. I am sure that is why he wasn't fired also.
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<< <i>Actually....sticks and stones can make you sore...but nasty words will hurt you more. >>
I'd rather have hurt feelings than bruises and scars. Being an a-hole isn't a crime, but physical assault is. What's the worst thing that can happen when you are offended, you cry? >>
<< <i>
<< <i>FIRED >>
So I guess "Chink in the armor" is now a banned phrase, no matter who is using it, no matter who is being discussed, and no matter what the context. Let's just ban words to conceal bad behavior and make everyone feel good without actually fixing any problems. While we're at it, we can start banning entire books as well. >>
Slippery slope will be banned next.
get over yourselves.
ban the braves and Indians? why? only if we rename them the bead trading, small pox surviving casino kings.
<< <i>lol slippery slope indeed.
get over yourselves.
ban the braves and Indians? why? only if we rename them the bead trading, small pox surviving casino kings. >>
stay classy
There is no valid argument over political correctness here. The ESPN headline, the Whitlock and Floyd GirlWeather tweets were moments of blatant racism.
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<< <i>Ahem...
On Sunday, Bretos tweeted: "My wife is Asian, would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community." >>
So are Michelle Maglalang "Malkin", Connie Chung and Julie Chen. Doesn't stop them from publicly releasing verbal diarrhea about their own kind while forgetting to look in the mirror.
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Political correctness can result in absurdities, since everyone can be offended by something. The concept of "never do or say anything that may offend" will, if taken to the extreme, result in the banning and prohibition of the following:
1. the word "short" [men under 6' and women under 5'4" will be offended];
2. the word "tall" [men over 6'6" and women over 5'9" will be offended] ;
3. the word "fat" [anyone 10 pounds over their ideal weight will be offended];
4. the word "skinny" [persons with eating disorders, including anorexia offended];
5. the words "male", "female", "man", "woman", "boy", girl", "he" and "she" [people who prefer gender neutrality will be offended];
6. the word "old" [people over 35 will be offended];
7. the words "gay", "lesbian" and "straight" [people who prefer sexual orientation neutrality will be offended];
8. the name of any religion, the word "religion" and the word "God" [people who prefer to not ever have the concept/idea or reliegion register on their consciousness will be offended];
9. the colors black, white, red, yellow, brown and pink; and the words "black", "white", "red", "yellow", "brown" and "pink" [for not to ban these colors and words will offend people who prefer not to have to be exposed to differences in the amount of melatonin a person has (or who prefer not to have to be exposed to the idea that sunburn can cause light skin to burn and turn pink in color)];
11. the word "fast" [so slow people will not be offended];
12. the words "beautiful", "handsome" and "ugly" [so people who are not beautiful or handsome are not offended];
13. the word "rich" [so that people who are not rich are not offended];
14. the word "death" [so that people who do not want to die are not offended]; and
15. most of the other words in the English language [since they would likely offend someone (in fact the word "English" is offensive to many].
So the ultimate outcome of the application of political correctness [so that no one is offended] is that every person on the earth should not speak a single word to anyone else, should not communicate by written word to anyone else, should not make eye contact with anyone else, should not make physical contact with anyone else and should just stay in one place for their entire life and do nothing. In that manner no one will be offended and the world will be in perfect harmony
<< <i>Considering the context, it does not matter if it was an intentional or unintentional occurrence. ESPN should know better.
There is no valid argument over political correctness here. The ESPN headline, the Whitlock and Floyd GirlWeather tweets were moments of blatant racism. >>
Couldn't agree more. Also, I'd argue that if Whitlock were white he would have been fired about three minutes after that tweet was posted.
Asian American Journalists Association releases guidelines on Jeremy Lin media coverage
<< <i>Thankfully, the AAJA is here to save the day!
Asian American Journalists Association releases guidelines on Jeremy Lin media coverage >>
I read that AAJA release and it makes very good points. It's sad when something like this needs to be written but the evidence shows people still don't know any better.
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I'm tired of all the PC stupidity; Everyone's a victim, everyone's oppressed, repressed, depressed, compressed...
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
The terms "cracker", "honkey", "redneck", "good old boy", "hick", "whitey", "paleface" "milktoast", "Wonderbread", "trailer park trash", "cowboy", "hillbilly" "gravity hindered [white men can't jump
If this does not happen, my civil rights will be violated; I will be "offended"; I will suffer emotional distress; and I am sure the Attorney General Eric Holder will take up my cause and have the Justice Department launch criminal and civil proceedings to stamp out such pervasive hate and provide me with justice.
On second thought, it will never happen.
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<< <i>I am serious with this comment - I really don't get it. What is wrong with "Chink In The Armor"?
That is a fairly common saying. Is there something racial or something about that? If it is, I don't get it and have never heard of it. >>
Chink in the armor is not offensive, until the word Chink is referred to an Asian. >>
Actually Chink is a slur to describe Chinese, just as Jap was for Japanese.
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<< <i>Just to add another spin to this topic...
What are the views of the board members regarding the names such as Braves, Indians, and Warriors as team names? How about the having an Native American as a mascot?
Is it acceptable or is it derogatory to Native American's?
Bob
Edited for proper use of Native American. >>
And how come when this issue comes up, we very seldom if ever hear from the views of actual Native Americans, only white know-it-alls who think they know what's good for minorities.
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