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Once and for all, should cool clashing be a huge collectible?

or just for certain types, or just for very dramatic clashing or is clashing just not on the keen eye's radar? I never know which way to think about this subject matter. To be transparent I have collected a couple of cool clashings but then again they may be just cool to a select few or not cool enough to warrant the attention. Most of the time I admit I am not moved by clashing, typically it's just not significant or interesting enough to me. What does everyone here think about this is they think about this that is.

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RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
I even have ancients with die clashing, which for ancients is fairly common.
I think they are under appreciated and never got why they werent more popular as well as having a bit of a premium on them.
The other incidental ones can be interesting or distracting but don't/shouldn't carry a huge premium.
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if you like it..... collect it....if not......don't.
is wrong with haveing something cool to collect and not having to pay extra for?
I say nothing!
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<< <i>I can't imagine any clashing on any issue, no matter how cool, would ever be considered a "huge" collectable. >>
This.
I consider clashed coins to be errors...and I'm not a big fan of them.
and other small silver coins, like the half dime I obtained recently on Teletrade. I also
see die clashing on lots of older world coins. Got a few Netherlands 1/2 cents from
the 1880's and 1890's with clashing of the horizontal lines behind the lion.
I see lots of die cracks on all kinds of nickel coins, but especially shield nickels,
probably three cent nickel coins after that.
I've entertained the thought of putting together a type set consisting entirely of
coins that have die clashing or die cracks. I'm already trying to restrict my type
set upgrades to coins that have clashing when possible.
I don't hope to see clashing carry a huge premium, though, because that would
make them harder for me to find and more expensive to buy.
Mark
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<< <i>Borrowed from EERC's wiki - how can you NOT find this clash interesting?? I would pay a huge premium for one.
I do find it interesting, but is there any logical explanation for how this happened other than someone in the mint just trying to make something unusual?
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<< <i>I think it can be a charming relic of old minting methods........ >>
Clashed dies still occur on modern coins using modern minting equipment.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Borrowed from EERC's wiki - how can you NOT find this clash interesting?? I would pay a huge premium for one.
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I do find it interesting, but is there any logical explanation for how this happened other than someone in the mint just trying to make something unusual? >>
Yes. Originally it was thought it was the fun work of a "midnight minter". However, more in-depth studies have shown that these clashes are the artifacts that occurred when they were changing denominations on the press.
From The Official Red Book: Flying Eagle and Indian Head Cents by Richard Snow (great book btw):
"These were caused by accident during the changing of dies during normal coinage production. In the course of changing the dies from one denomination to another, the collar would have to be removed as well as the two dies. This would allow the press to actually cycle with two denomination dies. It may have been common practice to cycle the press once to seat the dies in the press."
Additional info from the aforementioned book:
--This was a major topic of study by Chris Pilliod. "What Error Coins Can Teach Us About Die Settings" April 1996 of The Numismatist.
--The Flying Eagle series had its die setting opposite from the 1857 quarter dollar, half dollar, and double eagle dies (i.e. the reverse of the F.E. was on the hammer die as opposed to the obverse of the quarter, half, and double eagle)
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You mean a coin dealer shouldn't study and write about coins because he can influence their values? I don't think it matters one bit how someone makes their living. The test is whether their writing is objective and honest.
Here is a 1868 Two Cent piece with two off-center clashes, and their arc (from the denticles of a different die) is in different directions!
There are examples in the Indian Cent series - in 1880 there is a very big one:
The common wisdom says that these happened in the press, perhaps when a die falls out of the press and gets slammed into the hammer die.
So, the question is, are all off-center clashes on hammer dies?
My theory, and it is only a theory, is that mint workers hit a hardened die into a softened die to see if it was hardened or not. If it made a mark, it wasn't hardened yet. If it did not leave a mark it was hardened and ready for the press.
As for the multi-denominational clashed dies, they exist for other years too - 1864 (two cent/cent), 1870 (Shield nickel/ cent). I think they were unintended and if so, then the events speculated in the book (initially published in Dave Bowers' Indian cent book) is the best possible explanation.
The Multi-Denominational clashed dies are very, very popular and so are the off-center clashed dies. Normal clashed dies, not so much.
Our own Capt. Henway first identified the multi-denominational clashed 1857's, I believe.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]