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astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
It safely made the trip from Stacks! Woo hoo!

I just couldn't let this pass me by!

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Auction Description:
Approximately 10 centimeters x 6 centimeters. An interesting and enticing item that would serve as a desirable addition to an advanced collection of twenty-cent pieces and/or Liberty Seated coinage. On the front of this otherwise plain white envelope is written in cursive script: 20 CENT PIECE, 1875 / ONE OF THE FIRST. / A.C. ECKFELDT / FROM W.E.D. JUNE 4. The back of the envelope has the numbers 192.27 and 144.96, as well as random scrawl near the lower right corner. Numismatic historians will recognize that the two individuals referred to on the front of the envelope are Chief Coiner Adam C. Eckfeldt and William Ewing Dubois, at one time or another curator of the Mint Cabinet and assayer. Minimal foxing to the envelope, although grading VG due to several old, sharp folds.
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    Very cool but how on earth do you grade an envelope? image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, if it only still had the coin!
    Neat piece!
    TD

    Edited to add: Where, oh where, is our invaluable Mint Archive Researcher who could tell us what the markings on the reverse mean? Delivery batches?
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent purchase!
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have the coin ... or at least that's my story! image
    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,418 ✭✭✭
    it'd be a lil sweeter had it been cancelled by the carson city post office too over a 1875 stamp
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have the coin ... or at least that's my story! image >>



    "That's my story and I'm sticking to it" image

    From Du Bois to Eckfeldt to astrorat. Very cool!
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That old-fashion script adds a certain 'jenny-say-qua' to it. Very good!
  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Excellent, I like it.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,660 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That old-fashion script adds a certain 'jenny-say-qua' to it. Very good! >>



    Jenny say whut?
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow - missed that one - congrats!
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,685 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ay, Chihuahua, that is indeed one VERY cool piece of ephemera!

    One wonders how it got separated from the coin yet still survived.

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  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think Dubois gave an 1875 20c piece to Chief Coiner Adam Eckfeldt since Mr. Eckfeldt died in 1852. Adam C. Eckfeldt was Adam's eldest son who, as far as I know, never worked at the U.S. Mint. Still a nice piece.
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There were four generations of Eckfeldts that worked at the Mint from 1796 to Dec. 31, 1929.

    link

    Some generations may have been represented by multiple members of the family, including Theodore Ecfeldt who allegedly made 1804 dollars around 1858.

    The recipient of this coin could have been a member of the family who collected coins but did not work at the Mint. I would have to research further.

    The members of the family were certainly well known to the Directors of the Mint, and if one of them asked for an example of the new coinage the Director at the time would certainly be accomodating.

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice!

    It's too bad the coin got separted from it.
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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There were four generations of Eckfeldts that worked at the Mint from 1796 to Dec. 31, 1929.

    link

    Some generations may have been represented by multiple members of the family, including Theodore Ecfeldt who allegedly made 1804 dollars around 1858.

    The recipient of this coin could have been a member of the family who collected coins but did not work at the Mint. I would have to research further.

    The members of the family were certainly well known to the Directors of the Mint, and if one of them asked for an example of the new coinage the Director at the time would certainly be accomodating.

    TD >>



    Let us know what you find. This is becoming a very interesting thread. image
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There were four generations of Eckfeldts that worked at the Mint from 1796 to Dec. 31, 1929.

    link

    Some generations may have been represented by multiple members of the family, including Theodore Ecfeldt who allegedly made 1804 dollars around 1858.

    The recipient of this coin could have been a member of the family who collected coins but did not work at the Mint. I would have to research further.

    The members of the family were certainly well known to the Directors of the Mint, and if one of them asked for an example of the new coinage the Director at the time would certainly be accomodating.

    TD >>



    William E Dubois was not Directorof the Mint, he was the Assayer of the Mint at that time. A.C. Eckfeldt was certainly well known to Dubois, he was his brother-in-law.
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    Congrats! It had to be yours. This will make a great addition to that exhibit/article/monograph you're working on image

    I'd rather have this than an 1875-P 20 cent piece. I realize that makes me weird.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    'd rather have this than an 1875-P 20 cent piece. I realize that makes me weird.


    You weren't already weird?


    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Adam C. Eckfeldt was the son of Adam Eckfeldt the chief coiner. W. E. DuBois was his brother-in-law, married to a daughter of Adam the chief coiner. Pete Smith's book (American Numismatic Biographies) assigns no role in the Mint to A.C. Eckfeldt.

    This piece of paper thus likely came down through the A. C. Eckfeldt family.

    Surprised Astrorat hasn't already looked up the deliveries of 20c pieces in 1875. The June 4 date possibly coincides with such a delivery.

    At first I thought the odd numbers on the envelope were museum accession numbers. But I think the envelope came through the family so that is less likely.

    Neat!
  • Very neat! Items like really compliment "regular" coin collections.
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