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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>



    Why I don't try to let people try to scam things.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>



    Why I don't try to let people try to scam things. >>


    I agree. If they are interested in cheating PayPal, why wouldn't they cheat me?
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sound like his poor Dad lost out of the coin twice image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Please PM me this sellers name. Thanks. >>



    Me too. please.
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>This isn't the first time that someone posts a thread like this and then holds back on any information that might help someone else from "stepping in it". I really don't understand the point. >>



    Good point. What was the purpose of the post then? >>



    I'd say the purpose is for those who read it, to PM him for the seller info, then let it spread with no repercussions for actually outing the seller. It could make Paypal review their ''gift' option procedures, as you shouldn't have to return a 'gift'.

    Casman, PM has been sent to disclose BST member's name, as well as ebay user, as well as website. Don't want to support someone that would use their dad as an excuse to get more money for a coin after you giving 'free info', ultimately showing the seller he could make more.
    I'll come up with something.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,620 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd say the purpose is for those who read it, to PM him for the seller info, then let it spread with no repercussions for actually outing the seller >>


    Those that did read it saw where he said he would not resond to PMs.

    No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,620 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>


    Why I don't try to let people try to scam things. >>


    I agree. If they are interested in cheating PayPal, why wouldn't they cheat me? >>


    I don't accept gift payments but in all fairness to those that do, it is normally to save the buyer the addional 2.9% that most sellers need to tack on to cover the addition of the paypal fees to their BST sale.

    No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left

  • PayPal gift still charges the 2.9% to the buyer if using a credit card for payment.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, my father died some years ago, so I know it wasn't me,

    , I do wonder, based on some of what I have seen from watching, some forum member's, posts, over the last few months, if I could figure out, who this seller, was, is, and if my "guess", is accurate,,,,,

    Maybe, one way, to tell, is to, watch, and see, who normally, jumps into threads, and yet, doesn't post, to this, thread,,,

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about a clue Casman... Do the EBay sellers other items include high priced used sneakers and boots which look like they should just be tossed as are too nasty to even donate to charity image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps the OP has forwarded the information on to our hosts for their appropriate action.
  • NumisMeNumisMe Posts: 841 ✭✭
    Sorry to hear about this Casman.

    I personally don't use PP Gift and this is why.

    I sure hope noone else get stung. image


    Cheers !
  • It is of no business to our host.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PM me his forum ID as well.
    Also either post a link to the auction or send me a link to it. I don't want to do business with this seller on any venue.

    A PM to sportsmoderator might get him removed from doing further damage on our respected BST. >>



    I don't know how DW will feel about this, but one of the "non-outing" complaints I had was the BST would be more treacherous. He said he'd ban anyone who rips off someone on the BST.


    If you get your money back, then that isn't a rip off, but a low life move if true. perhaps SM1 could work out some temp ban or something if worthy.


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  • I'm famed for my 'gentle, kindly corrective measures' image

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just wanted to increase my post count image

    Trying to get to a million.
  • NumisMeNumisMe Posts: 841 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm famed for my 'gentle, kindly corrective measures' ') >>









    Now we're getting somewhere !!! image
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm famed for my 'gentle, kindly corrective measures' image >>



    Why yes, yes you are image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just wanted to increase my post count image

    Trying to get to a million. >>


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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry to hear about this Casman.

    I personally don't use PP Gift and this is why.

    I sure hope noone else get stung. image


    Cheers ! >>




    It doesn't have Jack Squat to do with PP gift. The result would have been the same with PP CC, PP shrift, PP thrift or PP swift. The seller basically reneged and fibbed about why. Unless I'm uninformed, PP can now force a seller to honor his deal?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • NumisMeNumisMe Posts: 841 ✭✭
    Am I missing something here?



    << <i>It doesn't have Jack Squat to do with PP gift. The result would have been the same with PP CC, PP shrift, PP thrift or PP swift. The seller basically reneged and fibbed about why. Unless I'm uninformed, PP can now force a seller to honor his deal? >>




    I beg to differ with you Bajjerfan...




    << <i>So, I simply responded that a refund would be fine. The refund was processed, but apparently paypal has decided to hold my money pending some sort of review as Oh ya, seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>



    Obviously it does have something to do with it. I agree that the bigger issue is the actions of the seller, however, if they had used PP as designed, he would already have his money back.

    Right?

    Cheers !
  • WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭✭
    If the seller would have upheld his part of the bargain, the buyer would have his item. Right now, he has nothing.


  • << <i>It is of no business to our host.

    Mr. Willis stated he would investigate potential deadbeats right here... >>


    So it looks like the right thing would be for Casman to PM DonWillis. It would be reassuring to know that the seller can no longer post on the BST.
    Successful BST transactions: clackamas, goldman86, alohagary, rodzm, bigmarty58, Hyperion, segoja, levinll, dmarks
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I just wanted to increase my post count image

    Trying to get to a million. >>




    428 to 10,000!


    ooops 427!

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It is of no business to our host.

    Mr. Willis stated he would investigate potential deadbeats right here... >>


    So it looks like the right thing would be for Casman to PM DonWillis. It would be reassuring to know that the seller can no longer post on the BST. >>



    He would most likely just create another account image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • Perhaps the clues are in the Op's original message............encrypted........???............
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Am I missing something here?



    << <i>It doesn't have Jack Squat to do with PP gift. The result would have been the same with PP CC, PP shrift, PP thrift or PP swift. The seller basically reneged and fibbed about why. Unless I'm uninformed, PP can now force a seller to honor his deal? >>




    I beg to differ with you Bajjerfan...




    << <i>So, I simply responded that a refund would be fine. The refund was processed, but apparently paypal has decided to hold my money pending some sort of review as Oh ya, seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>



    Obviously it does have something to do with it. I agree that the bigger issue is the actions of the seller, however, if they had used PP as designed, he would already have his money back.

    Right?

    Cheers ! >>



    It failed because the seller backed out. Would have happened even if regular PP was used.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,100 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It is of no business to our host.

    Mr. Willis stated he would investigate potential deadbeats right here... >>


    So it looks like the right thing would be for Casman to PM DonWillis. It would be reassuring to know that the seller can no longer post on the BST. >>



    ....in which case I wouldn't need to add myself to the 'please pm with name' list. image

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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, I do wonder, based on some of what I have seen from watching, some forum member's, posts, over the last few months, if I could figure out, who this seller, was, is, and if my "guess", is accurate,,,,,

    Maybe, one way, to tell, is to, watch, and see, who normally, jumps into threads, and yet, doesn't post, to this, thread,,, >>



    image you're going to have everyone scared and posting notes to clear themselves now....image
    I'm pretty new on the board and was looking at BST with promise as a nice alternative to pick up and perhaps even sell some material. Haven't done anything on there yet and have now been warned about the gift payment hazards. Any other warnings/PM's would be welcome...
    I didn't do it!!!!image

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't imagine all the old ladies at the hairdresser having any more fun than us. image

    No, it wasn't me....
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • Wasn't me either
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Am I missing something here?



    << <i>It doesn't have Jack Squat to do with PP gift. The result would have been the same with PP CC, PP shrift, PP thrift or PP swift. The seller basically reneged and fibbed about why. Unless I'm uninformed, PP can now force a seller to honor his deal? >>




    I beg to differ with you Bajjerfan...




    << <i>So, I simply responded that a refund would be fine. The refund was processed, but apparently paypal has decided to hold my money pending some sort of review as Oh ya, seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>



    Obviously it does have something to do with it. I agree that the bigger issue is the actions of the seller, however, if they had used PP as designed, he would already have his money back.

    Right?

    Cheers ! >>



    It failed because the seller backed out. Would have happened even if regular PP was used. >>



    Yes, it failed because the seller backed out, but there were 2 issues to this problem:

    Issue 1: Seller backed out and, given the information at hand so far (including the item for sale, the website, the BST, etc), he seemed to do it in a dishonest way. If he wanted more $$$, then he shouldn't have sold for whatever amount he did. If he didn't want to deal with the buyer, then he shouldn't have taken the money. If he is some sort of problem with giving his word then going back on it, he shouldn't be making deals on these boards.

    Issue 2: Paypal gift was requested and used. Upon lack of completion of sale (ie...product not sent out with the payment), money was "refunded" through paypal. Buyer has NOT got his funds released back t him yet. Using paypal gift is most likely the culprit to this. Seller should have GIFTED the same amount to the buyer and not attempted a "refund", if I am reading things right.

    I have dealt with sellers who didn't want to use regular paypal but wanted PP gift (or check/mo). Due to just wanting to get things rolling, and the cost not being that much and me factoring the cost into the cost of the coin, I have just gone ahead and used paypal and paid the fee myself. Seller got things the way they wanted (no additional costs) and things went well.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'd say the purpose is for those who read it, to PM him for the seller info, then let it spread with no repercussions for actually outing the seller >>


    Those that did read it saw where he said he would not resond to PMs. >>




    Aww, I did read it, derry, but was in the library, doing some homework (hate bringing it home....lol), and didn't get the whole 'gist', especially seeing so many requesting the info. You are correct, though. I SHOULD have read it thoroughly before responding in such a way. Hope that doesn't mean my dean's list is in jeopardy this semester for not reading through things thoroughly.

    As Norm MacDonald says...'note to self...read everything thoroughly first, then respond....if not, there's always beer'.
    I'll come up with something.
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  • commacomma Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭
  • Oh, my goodness ...
    Let's try not to get upset.


  • << <i>

    << <i>You went wrong with the paypal gift. >>



    I have done many paypal gifts on BST. No issues. It should not be an issue among gentlemen. But scoundrals will appear. >>



    Yeah lets collude and lie to paypal about the nature of our transaction so we can steal the transaction fees from them. Some "gentlemen". But thats right, its Ok because paypal makes a lot of money and charges more than I want to pay to use their services. image

    anyway, carry on
  • crispycrispy Posts: 792 ✭✭✭
    It is an unfortunate thing (OP's situation). I have never been included in the "Circle of Trust" here, but have had only positive experiences dealing with the folks on the BST. I will consider myself fortunate. I typically only deal with people that have been around for a while and that I recognize. Somewhat like the 'bay I guess.

    I hope you find another coin to replace the one you missed out on. Good luck.

    Crispy
    "to you, a hero is some kind of weird sandwich..."
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It is an unfortunate thing (OP's situation). I have never been included in the "Circle of Trust" here, but have had only positive experiences dealing with the folks on the BST. I will consider myself fortunate. I typically only deal with people that have been around for a while and that I recognize. Somewhat like the 'bay I guess.

    I hope you find another coin to replace the one you missed out on. Good luck.

    Crispy >>



    Crispy, you're more centered within the Circle of Trust than anyone!
    You silly goose.

    peacockcoins

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>VERY poor form.

    I agree. This person should be outed, but in a subtle, non-direct way.

    RYK >>



    outed ..lame excuse..you don't do your price homework then sell what you agree to
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Please out this guy. Consider it a public service.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Am I missing something here?



    << <i>It doesn't have Jack Squat to do with PP gift. The result would have been the same with PP CC, PP shrift, PP thrift or PP swift. The seller basically reneged and fibbed about why. Unless I'm uninformed, PP can now force a seller to honor his deal? >>




    I beg to differ with you Bajjerfan...




    << <i>So, I simply responded that a refund would be fine. The refund was processed, but apparently paypal has decided to hold my money pending some sort of review as Oh ya, seller had requested a gift payment which I complied with. >>



    Obviously it does have something to do with it. I agree that the bigger issue is the actions of the seller, however, if they had used PP as designed, he would already have his money back.

    Right?

    Cheers ! >>



    It failed because the seller backed out. Would have happened even if regular PP was used. >>



    Yes, it failed because the seller backed out, but there were 2 issues to this problem:

    Issue 1: Seller backed out and, given the information at hand so far (including the item for sale, the website, the BST, etc), he seemed to do it in a dishonest way. If he wanted more $$$, then he shouldn't have sold for whatever amount he did. If he didn't want to deal with the buyer, then he shouldn't have taken the money. If he is some sort of problem with giving his word then going back on it, he shouldn't be making deals on these boards.

    Issue 2: Paypal gift was requested and used. Upon lack of completion of sale (ie...product not sent out with the payment), money was "refunded" through paypal. Buyer has NOT got his funds released back t him yet. Using paypal gift is most likely the culprit to this. Seller should have GIFTED the same amount to the buyer and not attempted a "refund", if I am reading things right.

    I have dealt with sellers who didn't want to use regular paypal but wanted PP gift (or check/mo). Due to just wanting to get things rolling, and the cost not being that much and me factoring the cost into the cost of the coin, I have just gone ahead and used paypal and paid the fee myself. Seller got things the way they wanted (no additional costs) and things went well. >>




    PP is not going to keep the buyer's money. Returning a gift caught someone's attention at PP. PP will look into it, prolly give each party a butt chewing and return buyer's $$. Likely their accounts will be watched closer in the future. Seller complicated the issue by giving a refund [prolly something many would do without thinking]. A simple act of greed likely will cost the seller is ability to use PP gift in the future.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • AbsolutionAbsolution Posts: 336 ✭✭✭
    That really sucks! I was worried about using BST but am glad to report that so far of my 3 transactions (I have in my signature profile) that those went extremely smoothly.

    You are a man of values if you have not revealed the name by following the rules despite the unfairness that hit you btw, props!
    Successful BST Transactions with: RMLTM79 (seller), Gerard (seller), bgman (buyer), Coinflip (buyer) | Positive Vendor Transactions/Service with: Stuppler & Company (seller)

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