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It's starting to spot - Proof ASE from 25th set....
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It was a 70. Now, not so much.
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Can we get some more details, like storage, climate, etc...?
Thanks,
BC
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<< <i>Kimber,
Can we get some more details, like storage, climate, etc...?
Thanks,
BC >>
I have the 25th set in a safe. Kept in a cool, low humidity area.
I have 20 or so other ASE proofs still in mint capsules from various years and they are not spotting.
It is only the slabbed one that has developed spots.
No big deal really, I guess.
I will wait a couple of years and buy one on the secondary market.
If they haven't spotted by then, I'm probably pretty safe.
<< <i>Maybe im mistaken, as im new to the ballgame, but can't you send this coin in to our host for a "spot review"and and have it miraculously come back blemish free?
I have done this with success on MS coins, but all of the proofs sent in get downgraded or I get an offer to have it bought at price guide values.
I have 3 stored in the house and no spots, using them as an experiment to see if spots will occur at the end of this or next year. My house is always freezing cold or super hot and I refuse to turn on the AC or heater but so far no issues on those coins in those conditions.
i know there is no failsafe for keeping things "spotless" but you can put each slab in a food vacuum freezer bag and suck out the air. i've done that with success.
i've done the desiccant baggie storage thing, but the vacuum method has worked for me sans slab.
i've done acetone rinses with silver i don't slab and they are still just as purdy from the mint in their OGP out in the open. i live in a very cool, humid location with in spitting distance of the Pacific.
<< <i>This is why I wish TPGs would offer an acetone rinse service, particularly on sealed sets where the submitter can't do the rinsing beforehand. It might save the TPG the expense of having to reimburse a customer when the coin goes bad like this. >>
<< <i>This is why I wish TPGs would offer an acetone rinse service, particularly on sealed sets where the submitter can't do the rinsing beforehand. It might save the TPG the expense of having to reimburse a customer when the coin goes bad like this. >>
<< <i>That's actually one of the reasons why I went after pristine condition ones. I didn't like the spots, the scratches, the shiny spots (which I think was because of moisture), etc. and I noticed there were water spots in some of the coins and they grow. I just sell those and buy one until there is no water spots or shiny spots, scratches, etc. pristine pristine. I think when they slab it moisture is getting in the slabs.
I have 3 stored in the house and no spots, using them as an experiment to see if spots will occur at the end of this or next year. My house is always freezing cold or super hot and I refuse to turn on the AC or heater but so far no issues on those coins in those conditions. >>
If no rinse prior to slabbing, you might not have pristine coins (one week, one month, one year, etc...) no matter what magnification you use.
<< <i>This is why I wish TPGs would offer an acetone rinse service, particularly on sealed sets where the submitter can't do the rinsing beforehand. It might save the TPG the expense of having to reimburse a customer when the coin goes bad like this. >>
Why can't The Mint just rinse them all prior to selling them???
<< <i>send it back and you'll get a replacement. they can easily remove spots on the mirrors. >>
Failsafe, where did you hear this? To my knowledge, no one has been successful in removing milkspots from proof coins.
Cheers, RickO
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<< <i>That's actually one of the reasons why I went after pristine condition ones. I didn't like the spots, the scratches, the shiny spots (which I think was because of moisture), etc. and I noticed there were water spots in some of the coins and they grow. I just sell those and buy one until there is no water spots or shiny spots, scratches, etc. pristine pristine. I think when they slab it moisture is getting in the slabs.
I have 3 stored in the house and no spots, using them as an experiment to see if spots will occur at the end of this or next year. My house is always freezing cold or super hot and I refuse to turn on the AC or heater but so far no issues on those coins in those conditions. >>
If no rinse prior to slabbing, you might not have pristine coins (one week, one month, one year, etc...) no matter what magnification you use. >>
well that sucks Blah. Starting to think it may be better to just leave coins in original mint packaging, rinse them, then submit damn the first strike label.
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<< <i>Maybe im mistaken, as im new to the ballgame, but can't you send this coin in to our host for a "spot review"and and have it miraculously come back blemish free?
I have done this with success on MS coins, but all of the proofs sent in get downgraded or I get an offer to have it bought at price guide values. >>
Does it cost you (besides shipping and insurance) to send the coin to PCGS for "spot review"?
<< <i>well that sucks Blah. Starting to think it may be better to just leave coins in original mint packaging, rinse them, then submit damn the first strike label. >>
I fully agree.
But, for the 'label collectors', 'damning' the FS label can cost you $$. It's fact they bring more $$ when sold (in reality, I don't know why....they ARE the first ones GRADED, but no guarantee they were the first ones STRUCK. Thats why I have a problem (as do others) with the whole FS labelling thing. While it's only marketing, selling them does bring better $$. I guess the old saying 'buy the coin, not the holder/label, etc' is no longer 'in play'. I wonder if the next generation of collectors will be label collectors or coin collectors. Makes a pretty good argument for a collector to start collecting properly graded classic coins, which I am in the process of doing as we speak. TT is getting a gaggle of moderns from me (with VERY few exceptions), and I'm putting the proceeds toward classic coins, where pops can't go up by the hundreds in 12 months...NO more modern coins for me, with the exception of raw bullion. I'm leaving the moderns to the next generation of collectors, who WILL be 'label collectors', at the rate these new labels are coming out...FS, Mercanti, Jessica Lynch, Lance Armstrong, etc. Why can't a coin just be graded numerically, blue label, and if it's from a set, ID it as being from that set, with no special bunting, flags, etc??? The coin in the holder should be what people are buying, not the label above it, no?
The only 'label' I can see being of any added value are the WTC salvaged coins. At least that label authenticates that a coin was where it was stated it was (not like a FS, where the coin wasn't actually 'the first one struck', unless you got lucky and DID get the first coin struck, but how on earth would one know that), .....but with that WTC label, you know it was 'there', though it was a grave day in U.S. history, and some do despise the holdering and labelling of such coins.
edited...I'm not 100% accurate in my above statement.....they may not even be the first ones graded...as long as the shipping date on the box is 'good', it could be graded 2 years later as First Strike.
<< <i>This does not make me want to start collecting these. >>
...yeah but it does make one want to take a dip.
Box of 20
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<< <i>That's actually one of the reasons why I went after pristine condition ones. I didn't like the spots, the scratches, the shiny spots (which I think was because of moisture), etc. and I noticed there were water spots in some of the coins and they grow. I just sell those and buy one until there is no water spots or shiny spots, scratches, etc. pristine pristine. I think when they slab it moisture is getting in the slabs.
I have 3 stored in the house and no spots, using them as an experiment to see if spots will occur at the end of this or next year. My house is always freezing cold or super hot and I refuse to turn on the AC or heater but so far no issues on those coins in those conditions. >>
If no rinse prior to slabbing, you might not have pristine coins (one week, one month, one year, etc...) no matter what magnification you use. >>
well that sucks Blah. Starting to think it may be better to just leave coins in original mint packaging, rinse them, then submit damn the first strike label. >>
The only problem with this theory is that for this set the coins have to be submitted in OGP to even be graded as being from the set, FS or not. So I guess if your willing to settle with only having two of the five coins (P and S) graded with the 25th Anniversary label and the other three just graded as 2011 silver eagles then thats your call but you will NEVER get your money back from the other three just common coins. IMO
You are braver than me. I would never turn off my AC. Humidity will kill these ASEs. I live in a high humidity area also, so not good to collect ASEs for me. I only collect a few select issues now.
Box of 20
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<< <i>Maybe im mistaken, as im new to the ballgame, but can't you send this coin in to our host for a "spot review"and and have it miraculously come back blemish free?
I have done this with success on MS coins, but all of the proofs sent in get downgraded or I get an offer to have it bought at price guide values. >>
Does it cost you (besides shipping and insurance) to send the coin to PCGS for "spot review"? >>
Used to be free other than shipping to them, now $25/coin + return shipping.
Box of 20
<< <i>I sent NGC 7 ASE PF 70 coins with spotting isuues under one submission for spot review. Only cost was the shipping of the coins. They did not charge $25 per coin. Not sure about PCGS since I only sent in one coin at a time, but do they really charge $25 per coin? >>
I was referring to PCGS. They do charge $25/coin. This is a new policy. It used to be free.
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<< <i>I sent NGC 7 ASE PF 70 coins with spotting isuues under one submission for spot review. Only cost was the shipping of the coins. They did not charge $25 per coin. Not sure about PCGS since I only sent in one coin at a time, but do they really charge $25 per coin? >>
I was referring to PCGS. They do charge $25/coin. This is a new policy. It used to be free. >>
I heard PCGS will reimburse the fee if they agree the coin no longer matches the grade. Anyone know if that's correct?