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73-Pound Silver Bar, 1783 EF+ Chalmers Shilling, 1792 Half Disme and Other Pieces Missing from ANA M

TomBTomB Posts: 22,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
The ANA listed a new round of missing pieces from their museum and CoinWorld published an article yesterday about the presumed thefts. These pieces are not assumed by the ANA to have been stolen by the former employee who was arrested recently. Ugh.
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  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't trust anyone at all any more for anything. I agree, ugh.

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  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭
    It seems like the issues are piling up for the ANA as of late.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems to me that the organization has a lot of problems, from people to security. Cheers, RickO
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Yikes! If they were stolen, best of luck selling them. Items that unique are no easy sell for a stuipd theif.
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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coins may be hard to get rid of, but a little over 86 10 ounce bars will not, which is what I figure will occur to the silver if it hasn't already.
    Jim

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How does a 73-pound silver bar just disappear... Huge lunchbox image
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    This is really serious.

    If the ANA cannot keep trakc of their inventories, whats the point of donating? I would have thought that at the very minimum, annual inventories would be taken. Especially for the high dollar items that have been reported missing.

    This isn't looking real good for the ANA.
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  • << <i>It seems like the issues are piling up for the ANA as of late. >>



    I'm not sure the term of "as of late" accurately applies here. In both the Yeager theft and these reported missing coins, the loss happened 3-5 years ago. As indicated in the press release following the Yeager announcement, a number of security systems and policies have been updated as a result.

    Remember that many other museums, including the American Numismatic Society, have had similar incidents in their past.

    Greg
    Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,090 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>It seems like the issues are piling up for the ANA as of late. >>



    I'm not sure the term of "as of late" accurately applies here. In both the Yeager theft and these reported missing coins, the loss happened 3-5 years ago. As indicated in the press release following the Yeager announcement, a number of security systems and policies have been updated as a result.

    Remember that many other museums, including the American Numismatic Society, have had similar incidents in their past.

    Greg >>



    There is quite a bit of truth to this. However, this also made me think about how or why the ANA should still be in a "loss mode" for acquisitions as recently as 3-5 years ago. In my opinion, this is frighteningly too recent to have these losses. After all, video surviellance, bar codes and other technological security systems have been around for quite a while and might have stopped or at least reduced the amount of apparent theft that has taken place in the recent past. It seems that an organization that cannot control its donated inventory for its museum has several options.

    1) Shut the museum down and, where practical, return the donations or sell them off.

    2) Cease to accept donations and definitely halt the active solicitation of donations until proper procedures are in place.

    3) Hire a bonded, professional security and procedures firm to develop and implement secure processes.

    4) Perform a regular auditing of specimens with a firm trail to determine who handled what, when and where.

    The idea that similar events have happened at other institutions in the past should not provide comfort or an escape from responsibility for any ANA official.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The idea that similar events have happened at other institutions in the past should not provide comfort or an escape from responsibility for any ANA official. >>

    Very Well Said.

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> It seems that an organization that cannot control its donated inventory for its museum has several options.

    4) Perform a regular auditing of specimens with a firm trail to determine who handled what, when and where.

    >>



    That would be ungodly expensive because the auditors have to be academic professionals, unless you are going to trust Joe's Coin Shop to attribute ancients and other esoterica.

    A lot of museums don't even have their items fully catalogued so how the heck are you going to do a qualified audit. They get these bequests that sit in boxes for years because they don't have the funding to process them.

    But they should do this for items of a certain dollar value and up. That would weed out a lot of the dreck.
  • StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭

    The list of missing coins can be found at http://www.money.org/ana_custom/MissingCoinsList.aspx.

    I notice that many of the items on the list are supposed to have photos, but the links do not work.

    I guess the pics were stolen too.


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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i am not certain if the previous threads still exist, but in one of them was a link to a VERY extensive listing as to the items being reported as missing/plundered.

    that listing had a lot of images if memory serves.
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