Time to unload Jesus Montero cards.
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...traded to the Mariners with Hector Noesi for Michael Pineda and Jose Compos. His Bowman Chrome rc will probably take a hit.
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time to sell the Pineda cards
Pineda is also a great young talent. Will be interesting to see if Yanks can make him a big winner.
I'm glad I loaded up on Pineda cards and sent many in on my last sub.
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1. Pineda's 3.74 in a small market (and miserable 2nd half) won't help the Yankees no-contact, low-average offense. If it's REALLY all about winning in October (which the Yanks sadly do about as often as anyone else, despite their regular season prowess) then I think this is a stupid maneuver.
The pitching overachieved against Detroit in October; the problem is that these softball-style bats of theirs simply vanish against elite pitching. They need hitters that can deliver with CLUTCH CONTACT. Montero may have been the type of contact + power hitter they once had in Bernie and O'Neill and a prime Jeter.
2. This trade also says a lot about "The Killer B's." If Banuelos and Betances were as good as the Yankees have been telling their fan base, they never would have made this trade. That they let their best young bat go for someone who is not a lock ace says volumes-- namely that they were feeding us a bunch of bull regarding their new crop of young arms.
3. The Yanks' offense just lost its best and most affordable chance to get younger. We can now look forward to a geriatric SS and 3B, a RF (Swisher) whose epic postseason fails are unprecedented over a sizable sample space, a catcher (Martin) with an anemic bat, a LF (Gardner) who hits .270 with no power, and a 1B (Tex) whose average has plummeted every year in pinstripes, who is so dumb he can't figure out how to place a hit against the shift.
Where does this aging offense go in the years to come? When will the brass see that what they need are some contact hitters, some true .300+ guys to complement the softball/non-clutch bats they have in abundance. Take a look at Tex and Swish's lifetime postseason performances; the Yanks' needed a young .300 hitter with pop who could handle the big market-- not a guy with a 3.74 from Seattle, who was pure garbage after the All-Star break. Sure, a 3.74 is OK, but I think Montero will be a better player in the long run, and was also a need for the Yankees. But because they are so blinded by their regular season success and runs scored, they probably don't realize what a need Montero filled for them. Martin and Cervelli behind the plate = garbage production.
And the Yankees DH slot should be a serious producer. Who's there now?
Ugh.
I like the move. And I don't think the move says anything about Banuelos, Betances and Brackman other than what the Yankees have said all along. They want them to spend most of this season at AAA building up their innings.
Montero at DH could have given them the production and .300-type hitter they so sorely need to complement the sub-.260's of Tex, Martin, Granderson, and Swish.
<< <i>What a blunder by the Yankees "braintrust."
1. Pineda's 3.74 in a small market (and miserable 2nd half) won't help the Yankees no-contact, low-average offense. If it's REALLY all about winning in October (which the Yanks sadly do about as often as anyone else, despite their regular season prowess) then I think this is a stupid maneuver.
The pitching overachieved against Detroit in October; the problem is that these softball-style bats of theirs simply vanish against elite pitching. They need hitters that can deliver with CLUTCH CONTACT. Montero may have been the type of contact + power hitter they once had in Bernie and O'Neill and a prime Jeter.
2. This trade also says a lot about "The Killer B's." If Banuelos and Betances were as good as the Yankees have been telling their fan base, they never would have made this trade. That they let their best young bat go for someone who is not a lock ace says volumes-- namely that they were feeding us a bunch of bull regarding their new crop of young arms.
3. The Yanks' offense just lost its best and most affordable chance to get younger. We can now look forward to a geriatric SS and 3B, a RF (Swisher) whose epic postseason fails are unprecedented over a sizable sample space, a catcher (Martin) with an anemic bat, a LF (Gardner) who hits .270 with no power, and a 1B (Tex) whose average has plummeted every year in pinstripes, who is so dumb he can't figure out how to place a hit against the shift.
Where does this aging offense go in the years to come? When will the brass see that what they need are some contact hitters, some true .300+ guys to complement the softball/non-clutch bats they have in abundance. Take a look at Tex and Swish's lifetime postseason performances; the Yanks' needed a young .300 hitter with pop who could handle the big market-- not a guy with a 3.74 from Seattle, who was pure garbage after the All-Star break. Sure, a 3.74 is OK, but I think Montero will be a better player in the long run, and was also a need for the Yankees. But because they are so blinded by their regular season success and runs scored, they probably don't realize what a need Montero filled for them. Martin and Cervelli behind the plate = garbage production.
And the Yankees DH slot should be a serious producer. Who's there now?
Ugh. >>
Is it wrong that this entire post brought tears of joy to my eye??
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Pineda at Safeco (5-4, 2.92 ERA).
Pineda away (4-6, 4.40).
I fear Cashman may have outsmarted himself with this deal. Time will tell, and make the upcoming season another compelling one to watch play out.
Only good thing about this (in conjunction with the Kuroda signing) is that it pushes AJ closer to the brink of oblivion.
Pineda can throw a shutout in any Game 2, but it won't matter when Swish and Tex and Martin strand a ton of runners
but the Yankees needed pitching.
Pineda going from a pitcher friendly park to NY will add to his average at best ERA.... but at least he should have a winning record... unless he caves to pressure and spotlight of NY
The Yanks are now getting weak offensive production from catcher, DH, and likely both corner OFers (Swisher can hit all the meaningless HRs he wants, the guy is garbage when it matters). Who is the .300 hitter on the team who gets the clutch base hit (not a HR) against an elite pitcher come October? Cano or... Montero looked to be that guy.
If the two Killer B's on the farm are as good as they say, and are almost ready for prime time, why trade a young MLB-ready bat that you do not have another of? I hope Montero flourishes in Seattle.
It'll happen. Book it.
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The Yankees need pitching. Keeping up with Tampa (yes, I said Tampa) and staying ahead of the Red Sox will require pitching. The offense is fine for the regular season. You can't build your team for the post season, or at least you shouldn't.
Timely hitting is something the Yankees have lacked for several seasons. However, you can't build a lineup with "clutch" hitters and expect that they'll be clutch in the few post season games that they'll play.
Just be happy you're not rooting for the team over in Flushing.
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<< <i>that rookie shortstop will be the talk this year...bank it... >>
Profar??? Could be, but next year for sure.
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<< <i>I wish, but there's no way to know for sure if his second half failures were due to fatigue. Phil Hughes was a Cy Young candidate for half a season, and then it was chalked up to young arm fatigue... and then he dove into oblivion for a year after that.
The Yanks are now getting weak offensive production from catcher, DH, and likely both corner OFers (Swisher can hit all the meaningless HRs he wants, the guy is garbage when it matters). Who is the .300 hitter on the team who gets the clutch base hit (not a HR) against an elite pitcher come October? Cano or... Montero looked to be that guy.
If the two Killer B's on the farm are as good as they say, and are almost ready for prime time, why trade a young MLB-ready bat that you do not have another of? I hope Montero flourishes in Seattle. >>
fatigue was likely only a minimal factor. Pineda only threw 30 more innings compared to the 140 he racked up in AA and AAA in 2010. The larger factor would be that he was a 2 pitch fly ball pitcher. He threw either a fastball or slider in 90.2% of his pitches thrown. His change-up is awful, almost to the point of being a liability, and while he does have a 2 seam sinker, he hardly used it...allegedly thrown a grand total of 23 times last year which seems odd considering it seemed to be successful - inducing 75% ground balls induced (though small sample size). He'll need to use it more against lefties with the whiffle ball fence in right. He only induced ground balls 26% on his fastball which led to him having the 6th worst fly ball to ground ball ratio in MLB. So if he can refine the 2 seamer, and use it more, he should be fine. 2 seam refinement can be taught, 94.7 mph on his average fastball can't.
I like the move. And I don't think the move says anything about Banuelos, Betances and Brackman other than what the Yankees have said all along. They want them to spend most of this season at AAA building up their innings.
Brackman was non-tendered and now calls Cincinnati home....I'd imagine as the result of him being terrible.
<< <i>I love Yankees fans that are always looking for the negative in their team. When they complain, they sound more like Red Sox fans than Yankees fans. These are the folks that typically get mad when they don't have an All-Star at each position.
The Yankees need pitching. Keeping up with Tampa (yes, I said Tampa) and staying ahead of the Red Sox will require pitching. The offense is fine for the regular season. You can't build your team for the post season, or at least you shouldn't.
Timely hitting is something the Yankees have lacked for several seasons. However, you can't build a lineup with "clutch" hitters and expect that they'll be clutch in the few post season games that they'll play.
Just be happy you're not rooting for the team over in Flushing. >>
Though often that does happen, its not about super star vets. This is about two rookies and how fans feel about their future production. I dont think anyone denies that Yankees need pitching but I, as many, do not believe that Pineda is the answer when the Yankees are supposed to be stocked with excellent pitching prospects that can be brought up and used. Also, I think Yankees fans are looking for a proven vet. It doesnt have to be an all star, but a young vet who has proven himself to be durable and consistent. While it's pitching that really wins ball games, Montero would have been an excellent young bat on an aging team. I sincerely believe that given a full rookie season, Montero can put up .280+, 25+ HRs and 70+ RBIs.
I also think that Yankees could have done a heck of a lot better on what pitcher they traded for. EVERYONE wanted Montero.
fatigue was likely only a minimal factor. Pineda only threw 30 more innings compared to the 140 he racked up in AA and AAA in 2010. The larger factor would be that he was a 2 pitch fly ball pitcher. He threw either a fastball or slider in 90.2% of his pitches thrown. His change-up is awful, almost to the point of being a liability, and while he does have a 2 seam sinker, he hardly used it...allegedly thrown a grand total of 23 times last year which seems odd considering it seemed to be successful - inducing 75% ground balls induced (though small sample size). He'll need to use it more against lefties with the whiffle ball fence in right. He only induced ground balls 26% on his fastball which led to him having the 6th worst fly ball to ground ball ratio in MLB. So if he can refine the 2 seamer, and use it more, he should be fine. 2 seam refinement can be taught, 94.7 mph on his average fastball can't.
Did you really say 90.2%? Somebody's watched Moneyball too much. Simple question: How many times did you actually see Michael Pineda pitch?
<< <i>fatigue was likely only a minimal factor. Pineda only threw 30 more innings compared to the 140 he racked up in AA and AAA in 2010. The larger factor would be that he was a 2 pitch fly ball pitcher. He threw either a fastball or slider in 90.2% of his pitches thrown. His change-up is awful, almost to the point of being a liability, and while he does have a 2 seam sinker, he hardly used it...allegedly thrown a grand total of 23 times last year which seems odd considering it seemed to be successful - inducing 75% ground balls induced (though small sample size). He'll need to use it more against lefties with the whiffle ball fence in right. He only induced ground balls 26% on his fastball which led to him having the 6th worst fly ball to ground ball ratio in MLB. So if he can refine the 2 seamer, and use it more, he should be fine. 2 seam refinement can be taught, 94.7 mph on his average fastball can't.
Did you really say 90.2%? Somebody's watched Moneyball too much. Simple question: How many times did you actually see Michael Pineda pitch? >>
the simple answer would be what does having "seen Micheal Pineda pitch" have to do with his ratio of fastballs and sliders thrown in relation to his other two pitches?