Was this Ebay $5 Error Note sale for real???

okracer · January 8, 2012 1:09PM

Hi all, I posted this on the Currency Forum, but thought you here would be interested in seeing this:

What do you think of this Ebay Error sale? $10,100 for the note! Was it worth that?

I don't know anything about Error Notes, so any education here would be great!

$5 Error Note for $10,100

coinkid855 · January 8, 2012 1:13PM

Whoa....That thing is sweet if it's real!!

-Paul

STONE · January 8, 2012 1:23PM

How is it possible for that to be made/created??? I don't think it's legit.

You would need to have only one side printed of the $1 notes.
Then that same sheet of $1 reverse's would have to be sent through the $5 obverse press, and subsequently off-center of the reverse $1
Then that sheet would have to be aligned for cutting centered around the $5 obverse, which would be off-set to the $1 reverses.

That is WAY too many things going wrong at the BEP and I just don't buy it!

Broadstruck · January 8, 2012 2:23PM

It could very well be legit, but hopefully fredweinberg will join in.

As far as value errors such as this as I recall from older price guides where worth about $25K... Not sure what today's value is?

gonzer · January 8, 2012 9:32PM

IMO, it's the real deal.

PerryHall · January 8, 2012 9:54PM

Doubtful that it's real. Something like this needs to be authenticated before I'd ever consider buying it---especially off eBay.

2manycoins2fewfunds · January 8, 2012 10:16PM

Some of the first ones I made looked like that.

USMoneylover · January 8, 2012 10:20PM

<< Doubtful that it's real. Something like this needs to be authenticated before I'd ever consider buying it---especially off eBay. >>

I agree, and in the event it is real, I think the seller is leaving money on the table by not having it certified.

STONE · January 8, 2012 10:21PM

<< Some of the first ones I made looked like that. >>

??????????

OPA · January 8, 2012 10:30PM

<< 

<< Doubtful that it's real. Something like this needs to be authenticated before I'd ever consider buying it---especially off eBay. >>

I agree, and in the event it is real, I think the seller is leaving money on the table by not having it certified. >>

This seller is no dummy... I suspect there is more than "meets the eye" with this note.

CaptHenway · January 8, 2012 10:57PM

Certainly not the venue to sell an astonishing error like that.
I am guardedly suspicious.

ajman · January 8, 2012 11:23PM

If it's not authenticated by PCGS or PMG, there's no way I would touch that note.

2manycoins2fewfunds · January 9, 2012 12:34AM

<< 

<< Some of the first ones I made looked like that. >>

?????????? >>

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It was a joke......as in humor.

DorkGirl · January 9, 2012 12:39AM

<< 

<< 

<< Some of the first ones I made looked like that. >>

?????????? >>

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It was a joke......as in humor. >>

I thought it was funny...

libertydude · January 9, 2012 12:59AM

That's crazy!

They have a few other error bills listed for sale (the double GW is cool). Assuming they routinely sell error bills and they have 14,800+ feedbacks (100%), I find it hard to believe they would sell a fake bill and/or not get busted yet-- not to say that it couldn't happen, just seems unlikely to me. *shrug*

Aegis3 · January 9, 2012 2:40AM

I'm suspicious, though I suppose it could be real. It's not an impossible error. But the security strip for the $5 note is visible in the see-through photo, which means that the dollar bill reverse was printed on $5 stock, if real. So my guess is that it is more likely fabricated, made by splitting a $5 bill, and then probably cutting and splitting a $1 uncut sheet for the reverse.

JamesMurray · January 9, 2012 3:25AM

Out of curiosity , assuming the feds take all things banknotes to heart , what kind of penelty by law would there be if a note such as this could be proved a fake ? I can't see a high profile ebay seller flaunting a fake at those kinds of prices for the world to see.

keyman64 · January 9, 2012 3:28AM

wow

CaptHenway · January 9, 2012 4:07AM

One thing that bothers me is that the $1 back, besides being printed upside-down relative to the $5 face, is shifted far to the right or left, but aligned perfectly vertically.

Genuine U.S. currency errors that I have seen with the (proper denomination) back upside down relative to the face have had the right-left alignment correct, but the up-down alignment off a bit because sheets have different amounts of selvage at the top and bottom.

I cannot condemn the note without seeing it, and the seller certainly does seem reputable. However, at this time I cannot explain the note.

CaptHenway · January 9, 2012 4:11AM

Hmmmm.....same seller has this odd duck:

ebay link

FredWeinberg · January 9, 2012 4:18AM

Tom,

I'd have to say that the second note
tells me the first note is man-made
for sure.......

I can't believe one dealer or collector
would have both, and the $1 note
with the TDG (Two Directional George's)
is without a doubt a fake error.

So, by my view/opinion, the first is
bad too.

Broadstruck · January 9, 2012 4:24AM

<< Hmmmm.....same seller has this odd duck:

ebay link >>

I don't believe this is even a possible error that could occur at the BEP

gonzer · January 9, 2012 5:13AM

I stand corrected. After viewing the 2nd note any credibility this dealer had went south. (Although my gut still says the 1st note is legit)

dcarr · January 9, 2012 5:44AM

I once saw a series 1934 Federal Reserve Note, $10 on one side, $5 on the other.
At first glance, it looked good. But it was two different notes halved and spliced together.

Mis-cut $1 notes can easily be made from the available sheets.

Fake I say.

kimber45ACP · January 9, 2012 6:28AM

Here is a 3rd note.
Already sold:

ebay link

FredWeinberg · January 9, 2012 6:32AM

Also a Fake Error

stealer · January 9, 2012 6:36AM

<< Here is a 3rd note.
Already sold:

ebay link >>

Interesting, that note was printed 7 notes after the second one.

CaptHenway · January 9, 2012 6:38AM

<< Tom,

I'd have to say that the second note
tells me the first note is man-made
for sure.......

I can't believe one dealer or collector
would have both, and the $1 note
with the TDG (Two Directional George's)
is without a doubt a fake error.

So, by my view/opinion, the first is
bad too. >>

It is in bad company, as one old-time dealer once told me of a suspect piece.

Broadstruck · January 9, 2012 7:24AM

Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

okracer · January 9, 2012 7:44AM

<< Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

>>

But Broadstruck, I don't see any errors in it!

ajman · January 9, 2012 8:16AM

<< Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

>>

kiyote · January 9, 2012 8:29AM

Whatcha wanna bet this guy has about 30 error notes for sale this month after specializing in mostly baseball cards for the last 14k feedbacks?

gonzer · January 9, 2012 8:48AM

<< Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

>>

That one's too easy...the highest demonination in the series was only 10,000 pigs.

habaraca · January 9, 2012 9:12AM

I see no fibers in either of the notes..

looks like plain paper

telephoto1 · January 9, 2012 9:32AM

Fake errors all imo, though the last one is at least plausible. If you look in this guy's feedback you'll see where he also sold a fake Charleston slave tag (Civil War period). Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Was this Ebay $5 Error Note sale for real???

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