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Was this Ebay $5 Error Note sale for real???

okracerokracer Posts: 436 ✭
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Hi all, I posted this on the Currency Forum, but thought you here would be interested in seeing this:

What do you think of this Ebay Error sale? $10,100 for the note! Was it worth that?

I don't know anything about Error Notes, so any education here would be great!


$5 Error Note for $10,100

......I collect old stuff......

Comments

  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Whoa....That thing is sweet if it's real!! image



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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    How is it possible for that to be made/created??? I don't think it's legit.

    You would need to have only one side printed of the $1 notes.
    Then that same sheet of $1 reverse's would have to be sent through the $5 obverse press, and subsequently off-center of the reverse $1
    Then that sheet would have to be aligned for cutting centered around the $5 obverse, which would be off-set to the $1 reverses.

    That is WAY too many things going wrong at the BEP and I just don't buy it!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It could very well be legit, but hopefully fredweinberg will join in.

    As far as value errors such as this as I recall from older price guides where worth about $25K... Not sure what today's value is?
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO, it's the real deal.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doubtful that it's real. Something like this needs to be authenticated before I'd ever consider buying it---especially off eBay.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • 2manycoins2fewfunds2manycoins2fewfunds Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭
    Some of the first ones I made looked like that.
  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Doubtful that it's real. Something like this needs to be authenticated before I'd ever consider buying it---especially off eBay. >>



    I agree, and in the event it is real, I think the seller is leaving money on the table by not having it certified.
    Finest Coins and Relics
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭


    << <i>Some of the first ones I made looked like that. >>


    ??????????
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,141 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Doubtful that it's real. Something like this needs to be authenticated before I'd ever consider buying it---especially off eBay. >>



    I agree, and in the event it is real, I think the seller is leaving money on the table by not having it certified. >>



    image

    This seller is no dummy... I suspect there is more than "meets the eye" with this note.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly not the venue to sell an astonishing error like that.
    I am guardedly suspicious.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    If it's not authenticated by PCGS or PMG, there's no way I would touch that note.
    Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-
  • 2manycoins2fewfunds2manycoins2fewfunds Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Some of the first ones I made looked like that. >>


    ?????????? >>


    ..............................................................

    It was a joke......as in humor.
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Some of the first ones I made looked like that. >>


    ?????????? >>


    ..............................................................

    It was a joke......as in humor. >>



    I thought it was funny...image
    Becky
  • libertydudelibertydude Posts: 243 ✭✭
    That's crazy!

    They have a few other error bills listed for sale (the double GW is cool). Assuming they routinely sell error bills and they have 14,800+ feedbacks (100%), I find it hard to believe they would sell a fake bill and/or not get busted yet-- not to say that it couldn't happen, just seems unlikely to me. *shrug*
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭
    I'm suspicious, though I suppose it could be real. It's not an impossible error. But the security strip for the $5 note is visible in the see-through photo, which means that the dollar bill reverse was printed on $5 stock, if real. So my guess is that it is more likely fabricated, made by splitting a $5 bill, and then probably cutting and splitting a $1 uncut sheet for the reverse.

    --

    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭
    Out of curiosity , assuming the feds take all things banknotes to heart , what kind of penelty by law would there be if a note such as this could be proved a fake ? I can't see a high profile ebay seller flaunting a fake at those kinds of prices for the world to see.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wow
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One thing that bothers me is that the $1 back, besides being printed upside-down relative to the $5 face, is shifted far to the right or left, but aligned perfectly vertically.

    Genuine U.S. currency errors that I have seen with the (proper denomination) back upside down relative to the face have had the right-left alignment correct, but the up-down alignment off a bit because sheets have different amounts of selvage at the top and bottom.

    I cannot condemn the note without seeing it, and the seller certainly does seem reputable. However, at this time I cannot explain the note.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmmm.....same seller has this odd duck:

    ebay link
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tom,

    I'd have to say that the second note
    tells me the first note is man-made
    for sure.......

    I can't believe one dealer or collector
    would have both, and the $1 note
    with the TDG (Two Directional George's)
    is without a doubt a fake error.

    So, by my view/opinion, the first is
    bad too.
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmm.....same seller has this odd duck:

    ebay link >>



    I don't believe this is even a possible error that could occur at the BEP image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stand corrected. After viewing the 2nd note any credibility this dealer had went south. (Although my gut still says the 1st note is legit)
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,122 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I once saw a series 1934 Federal Reserve Note, $10 on one side, $5 on the other.
    At first glance, it looked good. But it was two different notes halved and spliced together.

    Mis-cut $1 notes can easily be made from the available sheets.

    Fake I say.
    Moonlight Mint
  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭
    Here is a 3rd note.
    Already sold:

    ebay link
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also a Fake Error
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is a 3rd note.
    Already sold:

    ebay link >>


    Interesting, that note was printed 7 notes after the second one.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tom,

    I'd have to say that the second note
    tells me the first note is man-made
    for sure.......

    I can't believe one dealer or collector
    would have both, and the $1 note
    with the TDG (Two Directional George's)
    is without a doubt a fake error.

    So, by my view/opinion, the first is
    bad too. >>



    It is in bad company, as one old-time dealer once told me of a suspect piece.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

    imageimage
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • okracerokracer Posts: 436 ✭


    << <i>Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

    image >>



    But Broadstruck, I don't see any errors in it!

    ......I collect old stuff......
  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

    imageimage >>

    image
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  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whatcha wanna bet this guy has about 30 error notes for sale this month after specializing in mostly baseball cards for the last 14k feedbacks?
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow after seeing the third I feel this might be a safer buy...

    imageimage >>



    That one's too easy...the highest demonination in the series was only 10,000 pigs.
  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see no fibers in either of the notes..

    looks like plain paper
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake errors all imo, though the last one is at least plausible. If you look in this guy's feedback you'll see where he also sold a fake Charleston slave tag (Civil War period). Where there's smoke, there's fire.

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