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My dealer tooled all these with his pocket knife ~~feb 18th~~~ Updated with grades ~~~~~

tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
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I have to swallow my pride. Looks like some of you were correct on my 1891. My first questionable authenticity. But the 15 was real. Both pulled from the melt pile that day. The 45-O was also an earlier melt pull. But the major score is my 61 seated half - $60 from the flea market.

Going to have to look at that 91 again when I get it back. It would of been a sweet score.


Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 24574352 10991 1883 50C Hawaii USA XF40
2 1 24574353 6156 1830 50C Small 0 USA XF45
3 1 24574354 6302 1861 50C USA MS62
4 1 24574355 7254 1898-O $1 USA MS64
5 1 24574356 8530 1915 $5 USA XF45
6 1 24574357 8377 1891 $5 USA Questionable Authenticity
7 1 24574358 8349 1879-CC $5 USA F15
8 1 24574359 8593 1845-O $10 USA VF35
Total Items: 8
Date Received: 2/8/2012
Date Shipped: 2/17/2012
Order Status: Shipped
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  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    I wish gold still circulated. Those are so pretty!
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • BaseballAbsBaseballAbs Posts: 2,621 ✭
    He tooled them? That would be a big mistake.
    Winner of the "You Suck!" award March 17, 2010 by LanLord, doh, 123cents and Bear.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    I imagine every single one of them is a fake. The pics are hard to tell for sure but
    that dollar sure looks janky.
  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭
    Were they obvious in hand? I don't follow those series and they probably would have fooled me based on the pics.
    The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    yup all fake. I had to use my daughter's iphone to snap these shots quick. Here are two that were in the group that were real though. I have another thread on them
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  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    They were pretty good. My dealer tells me these type originated in Cuba. Side by side with an authentic one you can tell. By themselves I may have been fooled. They are made of real gold
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,137 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>yup all fake. I had to use my daughter's iphone to snap these shots quick. Here are two that were in the group that were real though. I have another thread on them
    image
    image >>



    I'm not convinced these two coins are fakes. What about them makes them counterfeit. >>




    "Here are two that were in the group that were real though."

    One must learn to read thread before opening mouthimage
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry. I missed that.image I deleted my post.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have to ask this question.

    Who says the '91 and the '15 are "real" since neither coin has been evaluated by a TPG for authenticity?

    The '91 looks "too good" ie. the surfaces are too clean,to be thrown into the melt bucket.

    ???

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • CollectingMachineCollectingMachine Posts: 71
    I too do not like the look of the 91.
  • BaseballAbsBaseballAbs Posts: 2,621 ✭
    Maybe someone should call the cops on your dealer.
    Winner of the "You Suck!" award March 17, 2010 by LanLord, doh, 123cents and Bear.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    So, is that '91 "real"? It looks very odd to me - the denticles, something about the hair, the surfaces - I can't say.


    Eric
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So, is that '91 "real"? It looks very odd to me - the denticles, something about the hair, the surfaces - I can't say.


    Eric >>



    i still think that it is not authentic, also the indian by association

    i'd love to know for certain though
    .

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  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1915 is the only date I have with the gold eagle (or any date!) and the stars just look.. off. Shouldn't they be closer to the edge of the rim?
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Both my dealer and I know that the the 91 and 15 are real. My dealer knows his stuff. He had sac enough to deface another 10 or so gold pieces that he identified as forgeries even identifying their probable place of origin.
  • ProofCoinsProofCoins Posts: 42
    wow good tooling job i hope he did try to sell them as orignal
  • bosco5041bosco5041 Posts: 1,303 ✭
    what are the traits about them that let you know they are fakes?
  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    By tooling I mean that he took out his pocket knife and cut a large X into it to prevent them from being pulled from the melt bag and resold. He sent them off to the refinery
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,765 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe someone should call the cops on your dealer. >>



    Why? He isn't selling them---he is destroying them. By pulling these fakes off the market he is performing a public service.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • libertydudelibertydude Posts: 243 ✭✭
    Sheesh. The Indian head is one of my faves. Still looking to buy a raw $2.5, but, being the noob that I am, will probably have to shell out for a slabbed one just to be safe :/
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sheesh. The Indian head is one of my faves. Still looking to buy a raw $2.5, but, being the noob that I am, will probably have to shell out for a slabbed one just to be safe :/ >>



    Even discounting fakes, if you are a noobie, or even anywhere shy of expert, and a non-slabbed coin is selling at a significant discount to a slabbed coin, be quite concerned that there are problems keeping it out of the slab. Sure, sometimes you can buy the raw coin for a discount and get it slabbed making a big score--but that is for the experts and the lucky. --Jerry
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe someone should call the cops on your dealer. >>




    OFFICER, COME QUICK! A guy has a knife out and he's doing something with coins. HURRY!

    image
  • libertydudelibertydude Posts: 243 ✭✭
    Thanks for the nugget of knowledge!
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,538 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>By tooling I mean that he took out his pocket knife and cut a large X into it to prevent them from being pulled from the melt bag and resold. He sent them off to the refinery >>



    imageimage

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    I have to swallow my pride. Looks like some of you were correct on my 1891. My first questionable authenticity. But the 15 was real. Both pulled from the melt pile that day. The 45-O was also an earlier melt pull. But the major score is my 61 seated half - $60 from the flea market.

    Going to have to look at that 91 again when I get it back. It would of been a sweet score.


    Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
    1 1 24574352 10991 1883 50C Hawaii USA XF40
    2 1 24574353 6156 1830 50C Small 0 USA XF45
    3 1 24574354 6302 1861 50C USA MS62
    4 1 24574355 7254 1898-O $1 USA MS64
    5 1 24574356 8530 1915 $5 USA XF45
    6 1 24574357 8377 1891 $5 USA Questionable Authenticity
    7 1 24574358 8349 1879-CC $5 USA F15
    8 1 24574359 8593 1845-O $10 USA VF35
    Total Items: 8
    Date Received: 2/8/2012
    Date Shipped: 2/17/2012
    Order Status: Shipped
    Share Order
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    You win some, you lose some. Nice job on the '61 half!

    Libertydude, there's no shame in buying an Indian 2-1/2 slabbed to be sure of authenticity. It doesn't cost any significant amount more, and given that that type is among the most counterfeited ever, I wouldn't do anything BUT certified.

    After you get one, feel free to crack it out, place into a Capital Plastics fancy holder, etc. You'll know that it's the real deal, and should you ever want to sell, easy enough to get it slabbed again for a fee. Just don't choose a super-sensitive grade that
    you'd be upset if it didn't make that grade second time around. A nice AU-58 would be ideal, I'd think. image
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    nice diverse lot you have there

    you must have been doing this for a while

    on that 1891, i just gotta say it looks wrong to me but dang it sure looks good. i mean jeeze, what would that thing grade; 68?

    keep up the good work and have plenty of fun
    .

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  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    I thought it was a 58. But I also thought it was legit.

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