Calling All White Label NGC 2.1 and 2.0 Collectors, Dealers and Enthusiasts - We need Your help finding two Pre Bar Code No Line fatty Morgan's with any mint mark and any grade with the year's 1892 and 1894 to complete phase 1 or our next project at Real American Treasure and for that help are willing to trade these two new white labels that do need to be added to the Census! a 2.0 and this 2.1
We will bring these with us to the ANA World's Fair of Money where we have a booth and will be displaying Black NGC coins along with both 2.0 and 2.1 coins - tons of rattlers and selling my new book which talks all about first generation treasures within treasures. https://realamericantreasure.com/?product=real-american-treasure-by-christopher-bryan
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A coin similar to the one sold 8-12-21 posted above has appeared ..... now's your chance.
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@Lakesammman The white labels have reached a price point that seems a bit much to me. I'll have to pass on that beauty and just be satisfied with the three beauties I still have...
@Ike1964 said:
What is the estimate of the 2.0 holders that were produced?
I have not really heard an estimate. But, while I have heard they are more common than 2.1's, I personally have more 2.1's, and there are 23 less 2.0's in the database than 2.1's.
@Ike1964 said:
What is the estimate of the 2.0 holders that were produced?
Hello Everyone - I wanted to update all of you by answering Ike's question. Based on my ongoing research into all of the Vintage Holders from both PCGS and NGC - I am fairly certain the population of NGC White Label coins for 2.1 and 2.0 Slabs may in fact be extremely similar if not the same - as of today I estimate approximately 2000 coins were encapsulated in both 2.1 White label holders and the second iteration of the 2.0 holders - I still have tons more research to get through but all of the known numbers so far indicate that 2000 is a good number for both - though it would not surprise me if the final numbers end up around 1,800 each once all of the hidden coins show themselves. I do have the documentation to back these estimates up - and would love to talk to any of you that has coins not yet listed in the census. Please reach out to me whenever through this forum or through my email - website.
Sorry I haven't taken the time to post or have been able to add to census NGC white labels for the last 6 months or so. Here is a list of the 2.0's :
$1 1886 P Morgan MS65 123152-013 Green CAC Listed for $2800 eBay 3/29/22
25c 1914 D Barber MS64 123156-004 Green CAC Ended @ $1799? on eBay 9/6/2021
10c 1939 D Mercury MS65 123760-012 Green CAC Listed @ $2700 on ebay 2/18/2022
50c 1944 P Walking MS65 123862-023 No CAC At Auction on GC
50c 1918 P Lincoln MS64 123980-008 No CAC Sold for $2510 eBay 5/23/22
$20 1923 P St Gaudens MS61 123980-012 Gold CAC Sold for $3000 on HA 11/14/2021
50c 1937 S Texas MS65 124415-010 No CAC Sold for $2400 on Stacks 12/21/21
50c 1937 D Texas MS65 124415-011 No CAC Sold for $2280 on Stacks 12/21/21
50c 1937 P Texas MS65 124415-012 No CAC Sold for $2160 on Stacks 12/21/21
$1 1899 O Morgan MS65 124660-024 Green CAC Sold for $3250 at Auction LINK
$1 1898 O Morgan MS64 124812-007 Green CAC Sold for $2306 on GC 5/22/22
$1 1923 P Peace MS64 125015-010 Green CAC Sold for $1944 on GC 5/22/22
$1 1880 S Morgan MS65 125484-003 Green CAC Sold for $2707 on GC 4/3/2022
50c 1942 P Walking MS63 125784-004 Green CAC Ended on ebay for $2750? 1/24/2022
10c 1928 S Mercury MS64 126139-008 Green CAC Sold for $1632 on GC 3/20/22
25c 1918 D StandingMS60 126166-006 Gold CAC Sold for $470 on HA 1/2/2013
$1 1885 P Morgan MS64 126710-003 Green CAC Sold @ BO (asking $2k eBay) 11/9/21
I’ll be listing two gold ($5 and$10 Libs) NGC White Label’s for sale very soon. Neither exist in the census and there are no known other examples of these denominations. I’ll post the pics here when the listings are live.
Here's the list of "new" 2.1's to add to the census.
$20 1927 P St Gaudens MS62 121210-006 Green CAC Sold on eBay for B.O. of $6000 4/3/2022
5c 1940 P Jefferson PF64 121384-007 Gold CAC Posted 1/5/2022
$1 1879 S Morgan MS63 121546-002 Gold CAC Sold on GC @ $2068 11/28/21
$1 1882 S Morgan MS65 121625-009 Green CAC Sold on GC @ $2194 12/5/22
$1 1879 P Morgan MS64 121630-005 Green CAC Sold on GC @ $2900 4/3/22
$10 1894 P Liberty MS60 121631-009 Green CAC Sold on Apmex 8/25/21
25c 1917 P Standing MS63 121641-018 Green CAC At Auction on GC
50c 1946 P BTW MS64 121903-015 Gold CAC Sold in Lot
50c 1946 D BTW MS64 121903-017 Gold CAC on HA @ $2160
50c 1946 S BTW MS64 121903-019 Gold CAC 11/4/2022
50c 1945 P Walker MS62 124067-025 No CAC Sold on GC @ $1409 1/30/2022
$1 1880 S Morgan MS63 124564-012 Green CAC Listed for $2800 on eBay 5/12/22
$1 1887 O Morgan MS63PL 124664-006 No CAC Sold on GC @ $1323 10/17/2021
5c 1938 D Buffalo MS64 125202-015 Gold CAC Sold for $1393 on GC 7/25/2021
$1 1883 O Morgan MS62 125337-014 Green CAC Sold on GC for $1913 5/29/22
$1 1881 S Morgan MS65 126635-012 Gold CAC Sold on HA @ $5040 3/7/22
I didn't actually check every listing so I can't be certain, but I have owned these two NGC 2.1's for about ten years and I never added them, so I don't believe they are included in the census.
I think I shared these in another post and privately with @Lakesammman but I have not seen these anywhere else. They seem to be very conservatively graded at MS60:
@pointfivezero said:
I think I shared these in another post and privately with @Lakesammman but I have not seen these anywhere else. They seem to be very conservatively graded at MS60:
Sorry! Meant to post this in the “rare plastic for the weekend” thread. It’s a bit out of place here. My bad!
I would like to post an update to this census thread as I have been keeping track of gens 1.0, 2.0 & 2.1 as well and the OP hasn't updated the census in a few months. Total count is Gen 1.0 @ 42, Gen 2.0 @ 203 & Gen 2.1 @ 223.
@86Saab said:
I would like to post an update to this census thread as I have been keeping track of gens 1.0, 2.0 & 2.1 as well and the OP hasn't updated the census in a few months. Total count is Gen 1.0 @ 42, Gen 2.0 @ 203 & Gen 2.1 @ 223.
@86Saab said: @DelawareDoons Sorry I wasn't trying to cause any trouble, I would have posted it if it was me that bought it but I've deleted the post for you.
Never post it before its in hand. And if you didn't get it, don't post it for a week or two.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
i will finally sell a couple of my NGC 2.1 holders through Legend Auctions which will finally agree to have a Vintage holder section of their auctions. Only reason i am selling is my safe deposit bixes are too heavy for me to carry as I am now 69 years old. Time tio lighten up. I am working out at a gym but it is not enough.
My NGC 2.1 slabs comprise a small portion of my collection but it put me over the top weight wise as I only have 10 x 10 boxes.
@oreville said:
i will finally sell a couple of my NGC 2.1 holders through Legend Auctions which will finally agree to have a Vintage holder section of their auctions. Only reason i am selling is my safe deposit bixes are too heavy for me to carry as I am now 69 years old. Time tio lighten up. I am working out at a gym but it is not enough.
My NGC 2.1 slabs comprise a small portion of my collection but it put me over the top weight wise as I only have 10 x 10 boxes.
Good luck with the sale, Oreville. Happy to hear Legend will create an Old Holder section. Heritage and Stacks have old holder auctions. DLRC has an OH filter option but with most sites, it’s an Easter Egg hunt for us old holder collectors. Maybe @ianrussell will be the next to add an OH filter at GC.
@Dug13 said:
“ Maybe @ianrussell will be the next to add an OH filter at GC.”
Not sure when it started, but been using “OH” for over 3 months now.
As of tonight, over 200 listings for “OH”.
Thanks but “OH” only returns NGC fatties, no PCGS or ANACS holders. Even using “rattler” doesn’t work. One needs to type “PCGS 1st Gen” to return rattlers.
The only older generation NGC slab I own is 129520-049 Likely from one of the hoards of "36 to '42 proofs. It's now CAC and reholdered but probably not old enough for a 2.1 slab.
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Calling All White Label NGC 2.1 and 2.0 Collectors, Dealers and Enthusiasts - We need Your help finding two Pre Bar Code No Line fatty Morgan's with any mint mark and any grade with the year's 1892 and 1894 to complete phase 1 or our next project at Real American Treasure and for that help are willing to trade these two new white labels that do need to be added to the Census!
a 2.0 and this 2.1 
We will bring these with us to the ANA World's Fair of Money where we have a booth and will be displaying Black NGC coins along with both 2.0 and 2.1 coins - tons of rattlers and selling my new book which talks all about first generation treasures within treasures.
https://realamericantreasure.com/?product=real-american-treasure-by-christopher-bryan
Real American Treasure
cbtazman@realamericantreasure.com
All added to census and sold recently...prices really on the rise.
NGC 2.0's
1885-O Morgan Realized $710 @ebay July 23rd
1941 Merc Listed on eBay for $849 but listing ended recently, presume sold off elsewhere.
Also added to census
NGC 2.1's
1942 Jefferson realized $718 on eBay 8/21/21
1947 Walker $712 eBay 8/21/21
1880-S Morgan $718 eBay 8/21/21
1898-O Morgan $729 eBay 8/21/21
And the last few 2.1's
1882-S Morgan realized $1086 at eBay auction 8/12/21
1939-D Walker also @ $1086 8/12/21
1926 Peace eBay auction realized $814 7/21/21
A coin similar to the one sold 8-12-21 posted above has appeared ..... now's your chance.
@Lakesammman The white labels have reached a price point that seems a bit much to me. I'll have to pass on that beauty and just be satisfied with the three beauties I still have...
Whoops, was actually a version 3.
Removed the circular sticker and took some better images… well as good as my cell phone could anyway.
It's all about what the people want...
@oreville
What is the estimate of the 2.0 holders that were produced?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/set/172592
I have not really heard an estimate. But, while I have heard they are more common than 2.1's, I personally have more 2.1's, and there are 23 less 2.0's in the database than 2.1's.
Paul
We must see the gold foil, on the reverse, in order to make a determination.
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
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@Ike1964 said:
What is the estimate of the 2.0 holders that were produced?
Hello Everyone - I wanted to update all of you by answering Ike's question. Based on my ongoing research into all of the Vintage Holders from both PCGS and NGC - I am fairly certain the population of NGC White Label coins for 2.1 and 2.0 Slabs may in fact be extremely similar if not the same - as of today I estimate approximately 2000 coins were encapsulated in both 2.1 White label holders and the second iteration of the 2.0 holders - I still have tons more research to get through but all of the known numbers so far indicate that 2000 is a good number for both - though it would not surprise me if the final numbers end up around 1,800 each once all of the hidden coins show themselves. I do have the documentation to back these estimates up - and would love to talk to any of you that has coins not yet listed in the census. Please reach out to me whenever through this forum or through my email - website.
[https://realamericantreasure.com/?product=real-american-treasure-by-christopher-bryan]
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Real American Treasure
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Sorry I haven't taken the time to post or have been able to add to census NGC white labels for the last 6 months or so. Here is a list of the 2.0's :
$1 1886 P Morgan MS65 123152-013 Green CAC Listed for $2800 eBay 3/29/22
25c 1914 D Barber MS64 123156-004 Green CAC Ended @ $1799? on eBay 9/6/2021
10c 1939 D Mercury MS65 123760-012 Green CAC Listed @ $2700 on ebay 2/18/2022
50c 1944 P Walking MS65 123862-023 No CAC At Auction on GC
50c 1918 P Lincoln MS64 123980-008 No CAC Sold for $2510 eBay 5/23/22
$20 1923 P St Gaudens MS61 123980-012 Gold CAC Sold for $3000 on HA 11/14/2021
50c 1937 S Texas MS65 124415-010 No CAC Sold for $2400 on Stacks 12/21/21
50c 1937 D Texas MS65 124415-011 No CAC Sold for $2280 on Stacks 12/21/21
50c 1937 P Texas MS65 124415-012 No CAC Sold for $2160 on Stacks 12/21/21
$1 1899 O Morgan MS65 124660-024 Green CAC Sold for $3250 at Auction LINK
$1 1898 O Morgan MS64 124812-007 Green CAC Sold for $2306 on GC 5/22/22
$1 1923 P Peace MS64 125015-010 Green CAC Sold for $1944 on GC 5/22/22
$1 1880 S Morgan MS65 125484-003 Green CAC Sold for $2707 on GC 4/3/2022
50c 1942 P Walking MS63 125784-004 Green CAC Ended on ebay for $2750? 1/24/2022
10c 1928 S Mercury MS64 126139-008 Green CAC Sold for $1632 on GC 3/20/22
25c 1918 D StandingMS60 126166-006 Gold CAC Sold for $470 on HA 1/2/2013
$1 1885 P Morgan MS64 126710-003 Green CAC Sold @ BO (asking $2k eBay) 11/9/21
Here's the link again to the album I made with the photos of these added:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11jRLefabBRIz7BUqklvUKvy-bsAn7nsI88q3MwcCfJk/edit?usp=sharing
Unable to tell which gen this is
122218-012 50c 1833 MS63
I'll post the 2.1's when I get a chance...
@86Saab excellent work! Crazy to see the prices are pretty consistent as of the last 6 months with prices realized being nuclear!
I’ll be listing two gold ($5 and$10 Libs) NGC White Label’s for sale very soon. Neither exist in the census and there are no known other examples of these denominations. I’ll post the pics here when the listings are live.
Tim
Sounds good. I will keep an eye out
@Peace_dollar88 , Thanks!
Here's the list of "new" 2.1's to add to the census.
$20 1927 P St Gaudens MS62 121210-006 Green CAC Sold on eBay for B.O. of $6000 4/3/2022
5c 1940 P Jefferson PF64 121384-007 Gold CAC Posted 1/5/2022
$1 1879 S Morgan MS63 121546-002 Gold CAC Sold on GC @ $2068 11/28/21
$1 1882 S Morgan MS65 121625-009 Green CAC Sold on GC @ $2194 12/5/22
$1 1879 P Morgan MS64 121630-005 Green CAC Sold on GC @ $2900 4/3/22
$10 1894 P Liberty MS60 121631-009 Green CAC Sold on Apmex 8/25/21
25c 1917 P Standing MS63 121641-018 Green CAC At Auction on GC
50c 1946 P BTW MS64 121903-015 Gold CAC Sold in Lot
50c 1946 D BTW MS64 121903-017 Gold CAC on HA @ $2160
50c 1946 S BTW MS64 121903-019 Gold CAC 11/4/2022
50c 1945 P Walker MS62 124067-025 No CAC Sold on GC @ $1409 1/30/2022
$1 1880 S Morgan MS63 124564-012 Green CAC Listed for $2800 on eBay 5/12/22
$1 1887 O Morgan MS63PL 124664-006 No CAC Sold on GC @ $1323 10/17/2021
5c 1938 D Buffalo MS64 125202-015 Gold CAC Sold for $1393 on GC 7/25/2021
$1 1883 O Morgan MS62 125337-014 Green CAC Sold on GC for $1913 5/29/22
$1 1881 S Morgan MS65 126635-012 Gold CAC Sold on HA @ $5040 3/7/22
Here's the link again to the album of 2.1's I made with the photos of these added:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iq-mjLpOnxVa6Zagbn5R-XNnKaRGxWcDbrurBTAxFH8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks @86Saab.
@Peace_dollar88:
While we are on the subject, I submitted these two NGC White Labels to GC and the auctions will be listed today:
This is an NGC 2.0. As far as I can tell, there are no known $5 Lib's in a 2.0 holder:
This is an NGC 2.1. Again, as far as I can tell, there are no known $10 Lib's in a 2.1 holder:
(Not trying to plug my listings here. I will create a more detailed post in the BST section when they are live on GC).
Tim
I didn't actually check every listing so I can't be certain, but I have owned these two NGC 2.1's for about ten years and I never added them, so I don't believe they are included in the census.
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I think I shared these in another post and privately with @Lakesammman but I have not seen these anywhere else. They seem to be very conservatively graded at MS60:
Tim
Sorry! Meant to post this in the “rare plastic for the weekend” thread. It’s a bit out of place here. My bad!
Tim
I'm not sure if anyone is still keeping track or not, but there is a 2.1 that I did not see listed in the census that was recently posted on the NGC forum. Cert # 121114-014
https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/428454-1916-ngc-proof-64-buffalo-5c-old-generation-21-holder-cac/#comment-9812705
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Thanks @coinbuf. Now for sale on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295069950627
Tim
I would like to post an update to this census thread as I have been keeping track of gens 1.0, 2.0 & 2.1 as well and the OP hasn't updated the census in a few months. Total count is Gen 1.0 @ 42, Gen 2.0 @ 203 & Gen 2.1 @ 223.
I would be happy to add you as an editor! Please DM me.
Census updated
Are you trying to blow up somebody else's great deal? Delete your post. I know the guy who got it.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@DelawareDoons Sorry I wasn't trying to cause any trouble, I would have posted it if it was me that bought it but I've deleted the post for you.
Never post it before its in hand. And if you didn't get it, don't post it for a week or two.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
I have a couple 2.1’s not on your list
@AlanSki - please share details, with cert numbers and/or pics. Thanks.
Awesome thread!
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Just picked up this NGC 2.0 at the Walnut Creek, CA coin show. Don't see it on the census:
Tim
i will finally sell a couple of my NGC 2.1 holders through Legend Auctions which will finally agree to have a Vintage holder section of their auctions. Only reason i am selling is my safe deposit bixes are too heavy for me to carry as I am now 69 years old. Time tio lighten up. I am working out at a gym but it is not enough.
My NGC 2.1 slabs comprise a small portion of my collection but it put me over the top weight wise as I only have 10 x 10 boxes.
Good luck with the sale, Oreville. Happy to hear Legend will create an Old Holder section. Heritage and Stacks have old holder auctions. DLRC has an OH filter option but with most sites, it’s an Easter Egg hunt for us old holder collectors. Maybe @ianrussell will be the next to add an OH filter at GC.
Tim
“ Maybe @ianrussell will be the next to add an OH filter at GC.”
Not sure when it started, but been using “OH” for over 3 months now.
As of tonight, over 200 listings for “OH”.
Wall of HONOR transaction list:WonderCoin, CoinFlip, Masscrew, Travintiques, lordmarcovan, Jinx86, Gerard, ElKevvo
Thanks but “OH” only returns NGC fatties, no PCGS or ANACS holders. Even using “rattler” doesn’t work. One needs to type “PCGS 1st Gen” to return rattlers.
Tim
Try OGH for early PCGS slabs and OH for early NGC slabs for GC.
Thanks @56morgan. “OGH” returns all green label PCGS holders (over 500 listings). I’m focused on Gen 1 rattlers (1.0, 1.1 and 1.2).
Tim
The only older generation NGC slab I own is 129520-049 Likely from one of the hoards of "36 to '42 proofs. It's now CAC and reholdered but probably not old enough for a 2.1 slab.
Howdy.
This might be the lowest serial number out there. At least it is on the google doc….
121006-019, 1887 $1
Has not been to CAC
5 more 1.0s for the census
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1392562/Historic-1901-Proof-Set-from-Liberty-Nickel-through-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-NGC-Proof-6665-OH-CAC-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holders-5-Coins
Good to see this is still being kept up to date.
This came out of the woodwork from a collection and I scooped it. Already added to census since I have permissions.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Nice pickup, DD. Heading to CAC soon?
Tim
Yes, probably in the next couple weeks. Will update after that.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Another 1.0 recently on eBay
Sorry I haven't added my updates in awhile.
I just added 2- 1.0's 10- 2.0's & 3- 2.1's to the census
Census numbers now stand at:
49 - 1.0's
251 - 2.0's
251 - 2.1's