Possible Doubling on 1964 Kennedy??

Bossman88

Is this a DDO?
I'm thinking yes.
Any other thoughts?

Regards, Larry

commoncents05

Looks like it to me.

-Paul

ModCrewman

I'd give it a

seanq

Yes that is a genuine (if minor) doubled die, there are several known on 1964 halves, along with a couple of monster tripled die obverses.


Sean Reynolds

Bossman88

Would it still be considered (minor) if it was on a 1964 SMS Kennedy?

Regards, Larry

seanq

<< <i>Would it still be considered (minor) if it was on a 1964 SMS Kennedy?

>>




No, it would be considered "normal" since all 1964 SMS Kennedies would be struck from the same pair of dies.

For example, the proof Accented Hair variety is also a minor doubled die obverse, but you don't hear anyone mention that when they talk about those either.


Sean Reynolds

Bossman88

Are all SMS Kennedy's struck from the same dies?
I have photo's of a SMS 67 and a SMS 68 that do you show the DDO.

Regards, Larry

Type2

Way cool!! Look a bit harder at your coins you never know you may find a new one you did not know you had....

seanq

<< <i>Are all SMS Kennedy's struck from the same dies?
I have photo's of a SMS 67 and a SMS 68 that do you show the DDO.
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All <i>1964</i> SMS halves were struck from the same die. I would not imagine that die was used again in 1967. Nobody was striking any SMS halves in 1968. Are you perhaps confusing SMS with Proof?


Sean Reynolds

Bossman88

Sorry, I meant to say 1964 SMS PCGS MS67 and 1964 SMS PCGS MS68 that do not show the doubling as this coin does

Regards, Larry

seanq

<< <i>Sorry, I meant to say 1964 SMS PCGS MS67 and 1964 SMS PCGS MS68 that do not show the doubling as this coin does

Regards, Larry >>



Okay, I'm beginning to understand. If that is the case then I would guess that the DDO is misattributed as an SMS strike. There are so few 1964 SMS coins known and given the circumstances of their manufacture, I was assuming they were all off the same pair of dies. I will admit I don't know enough about the 1964 SMS issues to be 100% certain of that assumption.


Sean Reynolds

19Lyds

Just because the doubling cannot be seen in different photo's of differently graded coins does not mean that its not there. To make a statement that they are different requires examining both the coins in hand.

MS67



MS68



Both of the above photo's are of different 1964 SMS coins with completely different lighting scenarios. The MS67 clearly shows the doubling yet the MS68 clearly shows no doubling. Yet, an examination of the die polishing marks on the original sized photo's, which is commong to the SMS coin, clearly shows that both coins were produced from the same die.

Lighting plays a super important roll in highlighting certain aspects of a coin.

Bossman88

Thanks for all the responses.
I thought it might be different type of lighting but not sure.
Having never seen one in hand I wasn't aware of all the other die markers.

Regards, Larry