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Do people really HATE PSA cards with qualifiers THAT much!?!?!

bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
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Notice the card on the left. VG card AT BEST - nice crease in the upper left corner. Final selling price = $32. Card on the right - PSA 8 (OC), which is basically the equivalent of a PSA 6. Final selling price = $12.

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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    yes they do...


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  • hhmag70hhmag70 Posts: 2,107
    Eye appeal means more than the grade. I would take the raw card (with the crease) over that OC thing every time.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I would think the other factors would come into play more than they do. We are talking about a vintage card. A card that basically looks the same as it got pulled out of the pack 50 years ago. Even the coloring is better. Centering is the only flaw, and that came from the factory that way. Everything else is better - corners, surface, you name it. I guess I just don't understand the disdain for qualifiers.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, but some people don't think they can soak out a centering problem as easily as they can a crease...
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Centering is critical for me...I don't even bother subbing an OC even if it's gem mint otherwise unless it's a HOFer or star rookie card.


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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    It's like a turd on a windshield.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Centering is critical for me...I don't even bother subbing an OC even if it's gem mint otherwise unless it's a HOFer or star rookie card. >>



    +1, I never submit anything that doesn't have a shot at 10 unless it's a star or low pop that will benefit from being graded.
  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926 ✭
    I don't care for them either and never bid on them. I would rather have a PSA 6 than a PSA 8 OC any day.
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  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's like a turd on a windshield. >>



    +1 haha
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  • AkbarCloneAkbarClone Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭
    The VG card on the left is bigger, so I would pay more money for it.
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  • ThoseBackPagesThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
    yes, absolutely
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  • Probstein123Probstein123 Posts: 1,281 ✭
    IMO , do away with the qualifiers and just grade them lower...
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  • WalterSobchakWalterSobchak Posts: 2,096
    I can only speak for me, but I'll never own one in my collection.
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  • detroitfan2detroitfan2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭✭
    Is it just me, or does Jean spell "Beliveau" using an "i" instead of an "e"?
  • TJMACTJMAC Posts: 864 ✭✭
    I would take the 8 OC card over the VG one any day. Creases drive me much more crazy than centering. OC only becomes a problem for me when they look miscut.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, but some people don't think they can soak out a centering problem as easily as they can a crease... >>





    Bingo.

    And IMO it's a wrinkle.


    Good for you.
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "MO , do away with the qualifiers and just grade them lower... "
    Yeah but then you could run into problems like sgc. People saying how did this 90-10 card get a 6 and what not. Or maybe a 7 bc it was a 9 OC but its 90-10 ect. The Q helps but its just an ugly card that might not need be graded.
    Centering is king and I think it will stay strong for a long time
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would take the 8 OC card over the VG one any day. Creases drive me much more crazy than centering. OC only becomes a problem for me when they look miscut. >>


    +1 (that equals 2 for those of you that are math challenged)
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  • GDM67GDM67 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would think the other factors would come into play more than they do. We are talking about a vintage card. A card that basically looks the same as it got pulled out of the pack 50 years ago. Even the coloring is better. Centering is the only flaw, and that came from the factory that way. Everything else is better - corners, surface, you name it. I guess I just don't understand the disdain for qualifiers. >>

    I feel exactly the same way. I own about half a dozen 8OC and at least one 9OC and I'm happy with all of them. Centering is cool and all but a smooth (uncreased) and clean (no snow) surface, deep color and sharp register are all more important to me.
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  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    I agree with several comments here...

    * I'd rather have a 6 than a 8 (OC/MC/ST/PD/whatever)
    * a qualifier is like a turd on a windshield
    * qualifiers should be done away with - grade the card lower and call it good.

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  • GarabaldiGarabaldi Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭
    I do not even look at qualifiers.
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    Being Old School I mainly collect old pre 60 cards and buying a card with a qualifier can save me money.I can not stand corner issues and creases no matter how small.The only qualifier I do not like is MC and OC depending on the % of off center the card is.Like Probstien says in his comment it would be better to givejust a sraight grade on everything.This is on reason I like SGC grading formulas. When on occasion buy a newer card lets say post 80 I will not take a card with a qualifier.
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  • Yankees001Yankees001 Posts: 1,496 ✭
    Yes, qualifiers just make the card look worse than what it is.

    Dave
  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To me, the grade doesn't really matter as long as I like the card. I recently purchased a 1971 Munson in PSA 7 (OC) that is bordering on miscut. The card has great corners and gloss and I got a '71 Munson for much, much cheaper than a non-qualified one would cost.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Depends on the card.

    In some cases Id prefer a PSA 8 OC than a 6 of the same card.

    The card is still OC, and I'd wonder if something else is also wrong with it.

    Same goes for 9 OC.


    Good for you.
  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 910 ✭✭✭
    I hate creases. The card is ruined. Corner, surface, and edge wear to me are part of the natural aging process but a crease that's abuse punishable by death. Just like abuse of a child!!!!!!!!
  • chadridgechadridge Posts: 143


    << <i>IMO , do away with the qualifiers and just grade them lower... >>



    Rick, let me respectfully disagree. Just because a card left the factory with an off-center cut, it should not be penalized from this when grading its condition, IMO. I am one of the few who likes Mint OC cards (granted, I collect 50's cards and earlier). Even though the card was cut OC, the fact that it survived 50+ years in mint condition is very cool. You should have some way of rewarding that. IMO, "production errors" should be seperated from "condition" whenever possible, and the qualifiers allow for this. OC' are also the only way I could ever afford any Mint 1955's image

    Side note: I do think that the standard for a Mint 9 grade on vintage cards may be lower when the grader knows it will be getting an OC, just from what I've seen.

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    Back in the day, if a card (straight out of the pack) was OC,MC,PD,OF
    it could not be considered mint. Best I would call it would be NM.

    I get a kick out of the reasoning that a card graded 6 instead of 8 OC
    is somehow better. It's the same card. EX/MNT was a card that
    was 'born' as a mint card and somewhere along the way after it was
    taken out from the pack sustained some minor wear.



    Because PSA has chosen to use Qualifiers then it should have been all cards get them.
    (those that warranted them) Not the 6 that could be an 8OC

    As it stands now some get net graded, others get the qualifier.


    Good for you.
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