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JeffersonFrog

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epcjimi1

Wow! Lots of trials and tribulations along the way.

Thanks for the tip, I learned alot from your post. Glad it worked out for you

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AUandAG

Even though I do not know you cert number I'd sure look here before I
pulled the trigger. You can search by cert number or date:LINK

bob

icsoccer

Glad it ended well. Thanks for sharing!

Bochiman

Quite the ordeal you went through!
Congratulations on getting through it and kudos as well to those that helped you.

WaterSport

So...I have to ask, You going o buy another Dime??I would and I would get it from a trusted dealer before doing another Ebay purchase.

JMHO.

Bob

MilkmanDan

I hear you! I went through an almost identical experience this year. That re-holder fee is a very cheap way of buying insurance that the coin is genuine. I usually take the opportunity to get it TruView'd as well for the really nice ones.

RedTiger

That is a very scary story. I would guess that particular fake would have gone undetected with 90% of Ebay buyers. It might have been the heirs to be the ones left to unsort the expensive mess many years later. Some of these fake slabs are likely being resold at other venues such as flea markets, or coin clubs, in a high stakes game of hot potato. Someone will get stuck and many getting stuck don't even know they are stuck yet.

There are still a large number of collectors that don't even know that fake slabs exists. Be careful out there.

Lucanus

I'm glad you came out okay, good thing you sent the coin to PCGS. Just think of all the buyers on ebay buying counterfeit coins daily and then putting
them aside not knowing they bought junk. As I've said before, proceed with caution on ebay. Only purchase coins on ebay from legitimate coin dealers.
Feedback % on ebay doesn't mean anything. Counterfeit coins are a serious threat to the future of our great hobby.

Doug

DennisH

Tommy:

I'm glad that whatever I unknowingly did helped allow you to dodge that bullet, because you're one of the good guys.

I, too, was almost stung in 2010 with a fake coin+holder 1895-S Morgan. But not only did it look totally "wrong" the moment I took it out of the envelope, it matched no known VAM die pairing. (I predict that we VAM Nerds and our obsessive-compulsive die pairing minutia represent the ultimate protection against Morgan fakes.) PCGS confirmed it was fake the next day.

I got my money back from the seller, didn't believe a single word of his explanation, and noticed that his other key dates in AU+ on eBay were also fake when I looked up their serial numbers in the Heritage auction archives.

As a result of my experience, I asked PCGS President Don Willis if they had the capacity to somehow link the serial number lookup function on their to website to whatever archives of auction photos they had access to. "I think we can do that!" he replied. That's why this added measure of coin buying protection is now available through PCGS.

By the way, I never got the federal authorities to step in, even though I made repeated calls and left numerous messages. Thanks a lot.

NewParadigm

Got your PM. Sorry for the lag (holidays with the family). I am really glad you had everything work out. This board has offered me many insights and learning opportunities. I am glad my story helped you. My 16-D dime was too my first 16-D. I was so excited to get it until I found out the horrible news.

comma

What happened to the seller? I was waiting the whole time for that

BryceM

Absolutely frightening. This sort of thing puts every cent of a person's investment at stake. Think of the players that will forever leave the rare coin scene if this scenario becomes even slightly commonplace. Think of the effect that could have on your bottom line when it's time to cash in. The laws of supply and demand get ugly when half of the market up and leaves.

I applaud everyone who works to combat this sort of fraud. It's an uphill battle. At some point a little paper printout inside a fancy plastic holder will no longer be enough.

yosclimber

Thanks for sharing your story.

Slabbing is sort of like tax reform - you have to keep changing the technology when the criminals figure out how to exploit the old stuff.
In this case of a sandwiched fake, the new edge view slab design should help foil some of what the criminals have been trying.

PQueue

Glad it worked out for you!

I am always amazed that people will spend thousands with an ebay nobody. Find a good full time dealer.

ricko

Very scary... and a good reason to buying coins from either a highly trusted source or 'hands on' before paying. Cheers, RickO

bob48

Glad it work out, with a happy ending.
Closes thing I ever had happen was I bought a 1856 flying eagle cent, that was altered but it still was $1600, (in 1991) I had it a year and a half before I sent it to PCGS to get the bad news. But I bought it from a good dealer and I showed it to him and he took it back, no questions asked. How do you want the refund? Since he was willing to do this and I had delt with him over the years, I got it in trade.
There are many well known dealers on ebay, and I buy only small items there. I do like going to the local coin shows. One, to support my local show and to meet all of the dealers that show up there. I spend most of the day there.
Thanks, Bob

JeffersonFrog

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