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indiananationalsindiananationals Posts: 1,094
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i bought this on ebay user goldellis rip off

got it case is smashed to crap he refused to refund so i filed a claim paypal decided in his favor i have now filed a appeal

pretty sad when people dont back there items
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  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How does a snad go to the seller??
  • KipKip Posts: 852
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  • timcointimcoin Posts: 674 ✭
    If gold had gone up $100 an ounce, would you still be asking for a refund?
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,963 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If gold had gone up $100 an ounce, would you still be asking for a refund? >>


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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭


    << <i>If gold had gone up $100 an ounce, would you still be asking for a refund? >>






    Are you kidding me??? The OP bought a 1oz gold token earlier this year from a dealer for $10......and he knew it was gold. The OP has very little, if any integrity.
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭
    Isnt it the dealers job to know what he/she is selling ? I must have missed the memo instructing customers to educate dealers.
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭


    << <i>Isnt it the dealers job to know what he/she is selling ? I must have missed the memo instructing customers to educate dealers. >>





    Integrity is a 2 way street. If the dealer made change for $100, and gave you $20 too much, would you say anything? Isnt it his "job" as a businessman to be able to correctly count money? You can go for the rip when you see an opportunity.....i'll go for doing the right thing. image
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭
    Why do you change the goal posts ? This isnt about being given too much change , it's about a customer paying the asking price.
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭


    << <i>Why do you change the goal posts ? This isnt about being given too much change , it's about a customer paying the asking price. >>





    Oh, ok....I get it now! Its ok to rip someone on some of their mistakes, but not on others. Got it, thanks!
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭
    I think it's more about a personal conflict with the OP than it is about doing any "right" thing. Remind me the next time you get a bargain to suggest you send full retail price to the seller.
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭


    << <i>I think it's more about a personal conflict with the OP than it is about doing any "right" thing. Remind me the next time you get a bargain to suggest you send full retail price to the seller. >>






    Yeah, paying less than 1% of an item's actual value is just a "bargain". He did nothing wrong. image
  • ModernCoinModernCoin Posts: 394
    How about a pic of the damaged slab? If it was simply a scratch or two than it sounds like buyer's remorse, but if it was smashed than I can understand your frustration.


    << <i>Are you kidding me??? The OP bought a 1oz gold token earlier this year from a dealer for $10......and he knew it was gold. The OP has very little, if any integrity. >>



    When you pay someone the exact price that they're asking for even though it may be under 100% full retail, at what point does a deal turn from being a good deal for all (since the buyer and seller get what they want) versus the buyer is a bad guy for simply saying "Yes"? I'm honestly curious and would like to know your opinion. Surely you have no problem with buying something at 10% or 20% less than retail, but at what point is the buyer a crook? Furthermore what about the thousands of people who cherrypic varieties for sometimes pennies on the dollar in extreme cases? Should all of them hang their heads in shame too?

  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,490 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm confused,

    << <i>"got it case is smashed to crap" >>

    When you use the word "case", what are you referring to?

    BTW, a picture would be nice.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,792 ✭✭✭✭✭



    << <i>The OP bought a 1oz gold token earlier this year from a dealer for $10......and he knew it was gold. The OP has very little, if any integrity. >>


    seller sets price. buyer either agrees to it or doesn't. seller's job to educate himself before setting price. buyer's job to recognize good price, not educate seller.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,792 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i bought this on ebay user goldellis rip off

    got it case is smashed to crap he refused to refund so i filed a claim paypal decided in his favor i have now filed a appeal

    pretty sad when people dont back there items >>



    was either smashed to crap before it got packaged or smashed to crap after it got packaged. If before, it is an item not as described. If after, buyer should not have taken receipt (signed for) and obviously damaged shipment.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • bluelobsterbluelobster Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭
  • bluelobsterbluelobster Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭
    smashed after gold dropped $100?
  • fastrudyfastrudy Posts: 2,096 ✭
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  • indiananationalsindiananationals Posts: 1,094
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    price has nothing to do with it being damaged i dont buy gold unless its slabbed and when i buy something i expect to get what i bough


    and as far as gecko comment yes i bought a oz of gold for $10 from a dealer that had millions of dollars of gold on his table so yea i feel he should know what he was doing he was more busy on his phone so no i dont feel it was wrong but really that is not the point
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,792 ✭✭✭✭✭
    coin appears undamaged, you could have it reholdered for a couple of bucks. Since it's not a 70 and it has been certified I would be content to just drop it in an airtite. Will most likely sell for the same amount later as it would in a 69 holder.

    I am surprised that you didn't see any obvious damage to the package before sigining for it.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • indiananationalsindiananationals Posts: 1,094


    << <i>coin appears undamaged, you could have it reholdered for a couple of bucks. Since it's not a 70 and it has been certified I would be content to just drop it in an airtite. Will most likely sell for the same amount later as it would in a 69 holder.

    I am surprised that you didn't see any obvious damage to the package before sigining for it. >>



    i understand it could be sent back in but for 1 i dont have a membership and 2 if u send in gold coins dont u have to send in 5 to be graded ...basicly i didnt see any damage to the package it was even insured i contacted the seller to let him know the day i got it before gold was really tanking as i said im holding so value at present time means nothing but i do like my coins slabbed and when i buy gold its always slabbed ....its just what i choose to stack and not what was delivered all he had to do was file a claim but no he said he refused to offer a refund so i went to paypal....i was told with this appeal and some more info i gave the would decide in my favor most likley
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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    Looks like it's been "hit". Not sure a "soft bubble wrap envelope" would show damage.
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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Oh, ok....I get it now! Its ok to rip someone on some of their mistakes, but not on others. Got it, thanks!

    I think I remember you bringing up a story about a little old lady that got raped by a dealer for some stuff she was turning in and took whatever the dealer gave her because she didn't know what she had. You were saying at the time it's up to the seller to know what they have.
    So how is what the OP in this case did buying something at a huge discount different than when a dealer rapes a buyer, an old lady that was ignorant to what she had to boot?

    The only difference is that the customer got over on one and the dealer did on the other. You sided with the dealer on the story you brought up and it appears you're siding with the dealer in this case too. What gives Phil?
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭


    << <i>Oh, ok....I get it now! Its ok to rip someone on some of their mistakes, but not on others. Got it, thanks!

    I think I remember you bringing up a story about a little old lady that got raped by a dealer for some stuff she was turning in and took whatever the dealer gave her because she didn't know what she had. You were saying at the time it's up to the seller to know what they have.
    So how is what the OP in this case did buying something at a huge discount different than when a dealer rapes a buyer, an old lady that was ignorant to what she had to boot?

    The only difference is that the customer got over on one and the dealer did on the other. You sided with the dealer on the story you brought up and it appears you're siding with the dealer in this case too. What gives Phil? >>





    Rich, yes these are very similar encounters. But without digging up the thread you referenced......and I will if you want me to......I specifically said that I didnt feel badly for the little old lady. I dont feel badly for the dealer in this case. However Rich.....what did I say about the dealer in the other story? That he was a scumbag.....remember? Same applies to the buyer in this case.
  • MM Posts: 363
  • TheBigBTheBigB Posts: 942 ✭
    Years ago I had a PCGS slab destroyed in that manner while going through postal sorting equipment, the seller gave me a replacement.

    Also, I don't think you need five coins for gold anymore, just send in for the Regular service.

    That slab may qualify for just a reholder from the visible damage.
  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    OP, have you asked the seller if he has another he would be willing to trade for the one that was supposedly damaged on its way to you? That way you can prove your integrity and honor the price. Seeing as you have no evidence that it was damaged in transit, this would be the only way to prove you are not trying to game the system.
  • MM Posts: 363


    << <i>image
    price has nothing to do with it being damaged i dont buy gold unless its slabbed and when i buy something i expect to get what i bough


    and as far as gecko comment yes i bought a oz of gold for $10 from a dealer that had millions of dollars of gold on his table so yea i feel he should know what he was doing he was more busy on his phone so no i dont feel it was wrong but really that is not the point >>



    Karma?
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at the damaged slab image, the coin could not be removed and be replaced. PCGS should have no problem reholdering the coin without regrading.
    The standard reholdering fee is only $10. Call PCGS at 1-800-447-8848 and ask them. Be sure to tell them only the top of the slab is broken and there is no way to remove the coin.
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe the seller would be willing to pay the $10 reholder fee and one way shipping fee?
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭
    But even a reholdering requires a CU membership, correct? In defense of the OP, the seller should refund the purchase price upon return of the item.....period. Then the seller should either eat the $10 reholder fee, or pursue an insurance claim against the USPS for damage occuring in transit. In no world that makes any sense should indiananationals be forced to just "deal" with this problem. He paid for the coin in an intact slab.....he did not receive the coin in an intact slab. End of discussion.
  • WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭✭
    While I agree the reholdering should not be a problem, assuming they will put another First Strike label on it, the OP is still looking at $40 or so out of his pocket to get this addressed, once you add in shipping fees both ways.

    Good luck on the appeal (no sarcasm intended).
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    But even a reholdering requires a CU membership, correct? In defense of the OP, the seller should refund the purchase price upon return of the item.....period. Then the seller should either eat the $10 reholder fee, or pursue an insurance claim against the USPS for damage occuring in transit. In no world that makes any sense should indiananationals be forced to just "deal" with this problem. He paid for the coin in an intact slab.....he did not receive the coin in an intact slab. End of discussion.

    image except for that eBay has already sided with the seller and the OP now has to go for an appeal. That usually doesn't work out for the one filing the appeal. The only option I see to do at this point is a chargeback with the CC company tied with the PP account and see where that leads.
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  • MetalsmanMetalsman Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭


    Dont buy off ebay!..... Too many self absorbed people with pms chiming in here as usual!image
  • silvereaglesilvereagle Posts: 290 ✭


    << <i>coin appears undamaged, you could have it reholdered for a couple of bucks. Since it's not a 70 and it has been certified I would be content to just drop it in an airtite. Will most likely sell for the same amount later as it would in a 69 holder.

    I am surprised that you didn't see any obvious damage to the package before sigining for it. >>



    The OP seems to have a lot of issues with his purchases. No kidding, it would be virtually impossible for the coin to be damaged that badly and the package to not show any problems. Pretty clear OP did this damage.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This was resurrected from December?

    But it is interesting to note that on the day this auction ended gold dropped $50...and $100 over 3 prior days. It did bounce back up for 1-2 wks. But
    probably by the time the negotiations over the auction were in full swing it had fallen another $150. When this thread was first posted gold dropped to $1550.
    Couldn't have helped any. It was tuff to be a gold buyer in November and December.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give it a rest, guys. He's gone.

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  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭
    You have a right to receive your merchandise in satisfactory condition, regardless of how you may have treated someone in the past. If you don't and the seller won't make good PP will find for you, end of story.

    What was all that other stuff about????
  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the picture from the seller is correct and the picture
    provided from the buyer is correct, I would be upset
    with the transaction !!!
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  • cjmezzcjmezz Posts: 467
    someone say something about a dead horse???
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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
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  • revoldlogrevoldlog Posts: 459
    I think one of the main questions still yet to be answered, but we won't be able get the answer now.
    Why would paypal side with the seller in a SNAD case like this??
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  • CoynCoyn Posts: 194
    If the seller intended to rip you off he would have sent a state quarter or something really worthless. I think he believes he held up his end and you are at fault. My guess is you both are being honest and it was damaged along the way.

  • VikingDudeVikingDude Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭
    Seller only has 91.7% positive feedback? Not good.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think one of the main questions still yet to be answered, but we won't be able get the answer now.
    Why would paypal side with the seller in a SNAD case like this?? >>



    You can always try to get that answer from the seller since the auction and his eBay ID are linked in the OP.
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