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CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
Every year the media likes to report about gold coins found in the Salvation Army buckets. And perhaps that has inspired others to take part in the tradition as well.

What befuddles me - why would someone put a $20 gold piece in a bucket instead of writing a check to charity and deducting it on their taxes image

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    WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 3,308 ✭✭✭✭
    Anonymity.
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    pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A person put a diamond in a piece of paper in KC. They almost threw it out as trash. I'm with you on the deduction part.
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    Who says its not deductible? image
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    WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the giver scratches his name and SS number on it, it is deductible.

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    ebaytraderebaytrader Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Every year the media likes to report about gold coins found in the Salvation Army buckets. And perhaps that has inspired others to take part in the tradition as well.

    What befuddles me - why would someone put a $20 gold piece in a bucket instead of writing a check to charity and deducting it on their taxes image >>




    Mebbe the giver doesn't itemize and/or it's not about the tax implications.
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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cause its image
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Who says its not deductible? image >>


    no receipt, or proof of donation

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    savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,372 ✭✭✭✭
    >>Mebbe the giver doesn't itemize and/or it's not about the tax implications>>


    exactly,

    it being Christmas Eve and all, i'm reminded of an excerpt from a song 'be good for goodness sake'

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    Tax deduction on that amount is minimal - writing a check just doesn't have the same impact and it may encourage others to give when they read about it.
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    Nothing against the folks who work at the Salvation Army, but I wonder how many of those gold coin donations possibly get pocketed and never reported? Another reason as to why someone would put a gold coin in a kettle with no audit trail and something that could easily get stolen or lost.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,585 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing against the folks who work at the Salvation Army, but I wonder how many of those gold coin donations possibly get pocketed and never reported? Another reason as to why someone would put a gold coin in a kettle with no audit trail and something that could easily get stolen or lost. >>



    Wow!!! And I thought I was cynical.

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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    Maybe, for other iffy reasons, they don't want to draw attention to thier tax return by claiming a large
    donations.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,784 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If the giver scratches his name and SS number on it, it is deductible.

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    Not really, but after the ensuing identity theft losses exceed 10% of the giver's AGI, then you'll probably have a deduction.
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing against the folks who work at the Salvation Army, but I wonder how many of those gold coin donations possibly get pocketed and never reported? Another reason as to why someone would put a gold coin in a kettle with no audit trail and something that could easily get stolen or lost. >>



    I doubt this. No one is gonna ring a bell for two hours in the cold weather for the very small chance they might be able to steal a gold coin. They already made up their mind before they went out there that they were gonna do a good deed.
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    CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭
    Some people would rather take the standard deduction instead of itemizing. Maybe some others don't care one way or the other. Isn't Obama trying to get rid of charatable deductions? Did I hear wrong?

    Did a quick check. He wanted to cap them at 28%. Really dumb.
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    << <i>Tax deduction on that amount is minimal - writing a check just doesn't have the same impact and it may encourage others to give when they read about it. >>



    If your total deductions exceed $2,000 in any given year , you have to have a reciept for every deduction. under $2,000 a year its hit or miss.
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tax deduction on that amount is minimal - writing a check just doesn't have the same impact and it may encourage others to give when they read about it. >>

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think many people simply give... without looking for tax deductions or other monetary or personal recompense. Not all people are Scrooge's. Cheers, RickO
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think many people simply give... without looking for tax deductions or other monetary or personal recompense. Not all people are Scrooge's. Cheers, RickO >>


    Anyone that gives to others, whether they take the tax deduction or not, is far from being a Scrooge.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    FOX cable news just reported that someone dropped a loose Krugerrand into the pot in Seattle WA. News said the rare coin was worth more than $17,000. I am no Krugerrand expert, but I think they meant $1,700.
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    66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing against the folks who work at the Salvation Army, but I wonder how many of those gold coin donations possibly get pocketed and never reported? Another reason as to why someone would put a gold coin in a kettle with no audit trail and something that could easily get stolen or lost. >>



    I knew a bell ringer and she had no way of knowing what was in the kettle ever unless she saw it drop it. So rules out the ringers.
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    << <i>Tax deduction on that amount is minimal - writing a check just doesn't have the same impact and it may encourage others to give when they read about it. >>



    You nailed it, this thread is proof of that.
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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What befuddles me - why would someone put a $20 gold piece in a bucket instead of writing a check to charity and deducting it on their taxes image >>



    They probably figure that the few dollars they'd save on their taxes is dwarfed by the extra donations the Salvation Army will receive after getting some free publicity in the media.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Mebbe the giver doesn't itemize and/or it's not about the tax implications. >>



    my favorite good deeds i do are the ones that remain anonymous

    i get more joy if i'm the only one that knows
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    7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If your total deductions exceed $2,000 in any given year , you have to have a reciept for every deduction. under $2,000 a year its hit or miss. >>



    Wrong. If you keep careful record of where, how much and when the donation was given, you are ok - when single cash gifts exceed $250 or more, one would hope you have a receipt.
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    << <i>Who says its not deductible? image >>



    No receipt or proof of donation = no refund if you get audited (not that this the only reason why you would donate in any event)
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    DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
    Didn't Scott Travers drop some 1909-S VDBs (like 5) in change at various retail stores a few years ago? I think the reason that individuals drop this type of item, is as others have hinted, that they want to bring attention to the cause,. The media loves the story and it brings free publicity to their cause. In the case of the Salvation Army, they bring in most of their contributions this time of year, so a diamond here and a gold coin there won't hurt. What I'd like to hear is a 1913 Liberty nickel plucked from a lucky SA kettle some day!

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    EDITED: To add - these stories also encourage other do-gooders of means to repeat the charitable act in their own fashion, IMO.
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    << <i>Every year the media likes to report about gold coins found in the Salvation Army buckets. And perhaps that has inspired others to take part in the tradition as well.

    What befuddles me - why would someone put a $20 gold piece in a bucket instead of writing a check to charity and deducting it on their taxes image >>

    For the attention it may receive in the media. It's a way to inflate their ego.
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    no receipt, or proof of donation >>

    You dont need proof ie receipts unless you get audited sir. If your charitable donations are within a certain range relative to your income you will not have to prove anything.
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    << <i>Who says its not deductible? image >>



    No receipt or proof of donation = no refund if you get audited (not that this the only reason why you would donate in any event) >>

    i know but only IF you get audited.
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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What befuddles me - why would someone put a $20 gold piece in a bucket instead of writing a check to charity and deducting it on their taxes image >>



    maybe he doesn't pay taxes...
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    JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    It's more like true charity, not worrying about whether it's tax deductable or not.
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    drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen what the S.A. does.
    I made a contribution yearly since the '70s.
    Enjoy your perplextion.
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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's more like true charity, not worrying about whether it's tax deductable or not. >>


    I don't understand your definition of true charity and how tax consequences are involved.
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    droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>No receipt or proof of donation = no refund if you get audited (not that this the only reason why you would donate in any event) >>

    i know but only IF you get audited. >>



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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>FOX cable news just reported that someone dropped a loose Krugerrand into the pot in Seattle WA. News said the rare coin was worth more than $17,000. >>




    What did you expect, from Fox news? Accuracy?





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    DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>FOX cable news just reported that someone dropped a loose Krugerrand into the pot in Seattle WA. News said the rare coin was worth more than $17,000. >>




    What did you expect, from Fox news? Accuracy?





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    I support charitable giving. I admire charitable giving. But as long as the government offers a deduction for giving away money to a good cause, it's doesn't make sense not to take advantage of it ... if you itemize. The deduction gives you more money that you can donate. image
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    droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I support charitable giving. I admire charitable giving. But as long as the government offers a deduction for giving away money to a good cause, it's doesn't make sense not to take advantage of it ... if you itemize. The deduction gives you more money that you can donate. image >>



    The less money that goes to taxes, the more money that is available for other purposes, including charity.
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    I am sure the person you dropped the gold coin in the kettle wasn't worried about the tax deduction he/she would lose. A random act of kindness out of the goodness of the giver's heart is the moral of the story, not what tax implications are involved. Salvation Army does a lot of good and this is a feel-good story, plain and simple.

    As for not getting receipts for cash donations over $250, I wouldn't suggest that practice. It is alway prudent to be prepared and know you have followed the rules. No headaches when the IRS comes knocking at your door.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,585 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>FOX cable news just reported that someone dropped a loose Krugerrand into the pot in Seattle WA. News said the rare coin was worth more than $17,000. >>



    What did you expect, from Fox news? Accuracy? >>



    Why do you think the viewership at Fox News far exceeds CNN, MSNBC, etc? People aren't stupid and they are sick of the far left bias from the other news sources.

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    << <i>People aren't stupid >>



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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Every year the media likes to report about gold coins found in the Salvation Army buckets. And perhaps that has inspired others to take part in the tradition as well.

    What befuddles me - why would someone put a $20 gold piece in a bucket instead of writing a check to charity and deducting it on their taxes image >>

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    DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>FOX cable news just reported that someone dropped a loose Krugerrand into the pot in Seattle WA. News said the rare coin was worth more than $17,000. >>



    What did you expect, from Fox news? Accuracy? >>



    Why do you think the viewership at Fox News far exceeds CNN, MSNBC, etc? People aren't stupid and they are sick of the far left bias from the other news sources. >>

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    dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭
    This topic seems to come up every year. From past history from some of those that have made the contribution, the reasoning is based more on the giving aspect and drawing position attention to the cause. It also seems to be good for the hobby. If all donations were made strictly on a tax deduction basis, the salvation army buckets, toy and food drives would be none existant. I guess we need people next to the buckets with an air horn telling people they are not using thier money in a wise fashion.

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