i don't know...the back of the slab is really suspicious to me...even with those lousy images. look at the corners of the reverse of the slab...also, look at the back of the label. use the zoom function. maybe i'm wrong, but it looks a lot like the images i have seen of the fake chinese slabs.
yeah, i don't see why it would be in a fake slab either, if that's what you mean. it's worth a slight premium over bullion though...if it's not cleaned.
anyway, i was just trying to point out that slab looks really suspicious to me and i was hoping for some more dialog about diagnostics on fake slabs. these fakes hurt our hobby and we need to be educated on them. that was my point with this post. but, i guess what i am hearing is that it doesn't matter.
so, therefore, in my infinite wisdom, i officially declare this slab fake and this thread is over. thank you, move along. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
<< <i>yeah, i don't see why it would be in a fake slab either, if that's what you mean. it's worth a slight premium over bullion though...if it's not cleaned.
anyway, i was just trying to point out that slab looks really suspicious to me and i was hoping for some more dialog about diagnostics on fake slabs. these fakes hurt our hobby and we need to be educated on them. that was my point with this post. but, i guess what i am hearing is that it doesn't matter.
so, therefore, in my infinite wisdom, i officially declare this slab fake and this thread is over. thank you, move along. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. >>
Like I said, watch out for melting chocolate. That coin looks TERRIBLE. It's not even gold, I'm sure. Your statement is exactly what the counterfeiters want you to say. "Oh, who would counterfeit that, it must be real!"
Want proof? Here's the REAL coin in the REAL slab.
<< <i>yeah, but don't the cert's almost always come up on fake slabs? >>
Yes, but look at the coin, not just the holder. Those surfaces look granular and terrible. Also, go to the link I provided and look at both the coin and the holder. Neither are the same.
1. the corners of the raised part of the slab on the reverse are square, not rounded 2. the label on the reverse overlaps the label area on the slab 3. the label on the reverse doesn't look right. it looks green while the obverse is white 4. there's no hole in the label. pcgs labels are stickers that are folded over. the reverse has a hole in it that can be seen on the obverse after it's folded over. the counterfeits don't appear to have this hole in the label. you can see what i am talking about here:
observe the darker circular shaped area under the word eagle to the left of pcgs.
5. the slab has those open spots on each side about half way down (see photo of fake slab here to see what i am talking about)
<< <i>yeah, but don't the cert's almost always come up on fake slabs? >>
Yes, but look at the coin, not just the holder. Those surfaces look granular and terrible. Also, go to the link I provided and look at both the coin and the holder. Neither are the same.
<< <i>yeah, but don't the cert's almost always come up on fake slabs? >>
Yes, but look at the coin, not just the holder. Those surfaces look granular and terrible. Also, go to the link I provided and look at both the coin and the holder. Neither are the same.
-Paul >>
paul, you are right. >>
I know. Good job spotting it on eBay though, you obviously saw that the slab was off. Now report it so nobody gets stuck with a base-metal Saint.
<< <i>i was just trying to point out that slab looks really suspicious to me and i was hoping for some more dialog about diagnostics on fake slabs. these fakes hurt our hobby and we need to be educated on them. that was my point with this post. but, i guess what i am hearing is that it doesn't matter. >>
I agree that this is an important and under discussed issue. I wonder if there are sufficient diagnostics to detect fake slabs, if so I would think PCGS would be more in front of it.
Either he buys all his coins from Heritage, or else whoever is copying the coins is getting the slab numbers from Heritage auctions. I checked three of his closed listings, all Heritage coins.
Comments
-Paul
The certification number verifies too.
anyway, i was just trying to point out that slab looks really suspicious to me and i was hoping for some more dialog about diagnostics on fake slabs. these fakes hurt our hobby and we need to be educated on them. that was my point with this post. but, i guess what i am hearing is that it doesn't matter.
so, therefore, in my infinite wisdom, i officially declare this slab fake and this thread is over. thank you, move along. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
<< <i>yeah, i don't see why it would be in a fake slab either, if that's what you mean. it's worth a slight premium over bullion though...if it's not cleaned.
anyway, i was just trying to point out that slab looks really suspicious to me and i was hoping for some more dialog about diagnostics on fake slabs. these fakes hurt our hobby and we need to be educated on them. that was my point with this post. but, i guess what i am hearing is that it doesn't matter.
so, therefore, in my infinite wisdom, i officially declare this slab fake and this thread is over. thank you, move along. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. >>
Like I said, watch out for melting chocolate. That coin looks TERRIBLE. It's not even gold, I'm sure. Your statement is exactly what the counterfeiters want you to say. "Oh, who would counterfeit that, it must be real!"
Want proof? Here's the REAL coin in the REAL slab.
Actual Coin
-Paul
Cert. #13445540 comes up this
Auction Appearances of This Coin
Date Price Firm Sale Notes
10/2/2007 $863.00 Heritage 2007 September Long Beach, CA US Coin Final Session #447
<< <i>yeah, but don't the cert's almost always come up on fake slabs? >>
Yes, but look at the coin, not just the holder. Those surfaces look granular and terrible. Also, go to the link I provided and look at both the coin and the holder. Neither are the same.
-Paul
1. the corners of the raised part of the slab on the reverse are square, not rounded
2. the label on the reverse overlaps the label area on the slab
3. the label on the reverse doesn't look right. it looks green while the obverse is white
4. there's no hole in the label. pcgs labels are stickers that are folded over. the reverse has a hole in it that can be seen on the obverse after it's folded over. the counterfeits don't appear to have this hole in the label. you can see what i am talking about here:
observe the darker circular shaped area under the word eagle to the left of pcgs.
5. the slab has those open spots on each side about half way down (see photo of fake slab here to see what i am talking about)
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<< <i>yeah, but don't the cert's almost always come up on fake slabs? >>
Yes, but look at the coin, not just the holder. Those surfaces look granular and terrible. Also, go to the link I provided and look at both the coin and the holder. Neither are the same.
-Paul >>
paul, you are right.
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<< <i>yeah, but don't the cert's almost always come up on fake slabs? >>
Yes, but look at the coin, not just the holder. Those surfaces look granular and terrible. Also, go to the link I provided and look at both the coin and the holder. Neither are the same.
-Paul >>
paul, you are right. >>
I know.
-Paul
<< <i>i was just trying to point out that slab looks really suspicious to me and i was hoping for some more dialog about diagnostics on fake slabs. these fakes hurt our hobby and we need to be educated on them. that was my point with this post. but, i guess what i am hearing is that it doesn't matter. >>
I agree that this is an important and under discussed issue. I wonder if there are sufficient diagnostics to detect fake slabs, if so I would think PCGS would be more in front of it.
Good catch stevenben
please report
Notice how far the date is from the left side on each coin
I checked three of his closed listings, all Heritage coins.
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