Anyone interested in Piggy-Backing on a PSA/DNA Submission? WE POPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

raiderguy10

I got in touch with PSA/DNA about receiving a discount for doing a large submission. I have a large enough quanitity (thanks to our fellow members below) to send in my cards to have slabbed and authenticated (blue flip) for only $10 each. If anyone is interested in piggy-backing with me on a submission please lmk. I'll take care of the shipping to and from PSA/DNA. You'd solely be responsible for shipping to me, $10 per card, and actual return shipping back from me once we get them back.

They will only allow the discount to apply to cuts or trading cards that'll fit in their standard holders and it has to have a declared value of $100 or less per card. PSA was nice enough to expand the submission to include larger items (anything larger than the standard size holder but smaller than 8x10) for $15 each - and again have to be declared $100 or less. So your index cards, 4x6 photos, Goal Line Art Cards, etc can be authenticated an encapsulated for $15 each. If anyone is interested please either post or email me at raiderguy10@gmail.com.

Here's my plan. I will keep this topic open until Sunday night (12/11/11). Those who are interested can feel free to post or email here and I'll keep track of who is interested along with the quantity they are thinking they'll have (doesn't have to be set in stone - a rough number works too).

So if we keep this open until Sunday, would you guys be able to ship out next week? Then I would be able to get them off to PSA/DNA by 12/18/11 would be my estimate.

I will update here when each package is received.

Standard Size: 142 TOTAL
Raiderguy10 - 76 Received, Paid
alifaxwa2 - 4 Received, Paid
Dboneesq - 20 Received, Paid - $10 to be applied towards return shipping
Kid4hof03 - 10 Received, Paid
eyebone - 5 Received, Paid - $20 to be applied towards return shipping.
blee1 - 19 Received, Paid
Lee99 - 5 Received, Paid
BPorter26 - 2 Received, Paid - $10 to be applied towards return shipping.
swartz1 - 1 Received, Paid - $10 to be applied towards return shipping.


Larger Size: 17 TOTAL
Raiderguy10 - 7 Received, Paid
alifaxwa2 - 6 Received, Paid
Dboneesq - 2 Received, Paid
swartz1 - 1 Receieved, Paid
BPorter26 - 1 Received, Paid

Dboneesq

Count me in. I'll send an email to you later. I know I have some that need RED flips, but I do have some that need blue as well. Thanks very much for the offer.

raiderguy10

Thanks Dboneesq. Any idea on a quantity so I can start keeping track, and I'll keep the original post updated. I actually had a couple PMs/emails right away as well, and have more than enough for the submission already.

Here's my plan. I will keep this topic open until Sunday night (12/11/11). Those who are interested can feel free to post or email here and I'll keep track of who is interested along with the quantity they are thinking they'll have (doesn't have to be set in stone - a rough number works too).

So if we keep this open until Sunday, would you guys be able to ship out next week? Then I would be able to get them off to PSA/DNA by 12/18/11 would be my estimate.

Dboneesq

PM sent.

eyebone

pm sent

blee1

PM sent

BPorter26

PM sent

raiderguy10

I think everyone has been responded to. If I missed, please lmk.

Also, I'll contact everyone Sunday night with my address and everything else we need to move forward.

raiderguy10

I have had a couple inquiries about seeing if they would expand the standard holder to include index cards. I've got an email in and will see if there is anything we can do to accomodate index cards as well. I'm not expecting a $10 one like we got with the cards - but maybe I could swing a $15 per deal or something along those lines. I'll keep you updated with what I find out.

raiderguy10

Heard back from PSA, so if this interests anyone please let me know. The 'larger sizes' apply to anything excluding the 8x10 holders.

Hi Derrick,

Here is what we can offer you and let me know if this works….

Standard size cards can go at $10 each.

All larger sizes will go under $15 each.

If this works please submit the two orders on separate submission forms and attach this email.

Thank you,

PSA Customer Service
Collectors Universe Inc
1-800-325-1121

Ironmanfan

can someone tell me again what the main difference is between the red & blue flips?

IMF

Dboneesq

<< <i>can someone tell me again what the main difference is between the red & blue flips?IMF >>



Red can go in your Registry. Also, a card must be a "real" card to go in the RED Flip. The card gets authenticated as well as the autograph. ie: one of Doran's customs will not be holderd in a RED FLIP ... BLUE FLIP only.

thenavarro

<< <i>can someone tell me again what the main difference is between the red & blue flips?

IMF >>



1)When PSA slabs an autographed card in a blue flip, they are only making an opinion as to the authenticity of the autograph, they are not making an opinion as to the authenticity of the card itself. For cards that are valuable, this is extremely important, because if you buy a blue flipped autographed card, you have no independent verification that the card itself is authentic and unaltered, you only have verification that the auto is legit. If you call PSA and ask them, they will tell you that a card grader and authenticator, never reviews the blue flipped cards, only an autograph authenticator does. Thus, say for instance you are purchasing a Mickey Mantle signed rookie card, wouldn’t you want to know that BOTH the graph and the card are good as opposed to only knowing that the sig was good, but not knowing that the card might be a counterfeit?? With the red flips, PSA is making a judgement on BOTH the autograph and the card.
2) When you send in a card for a blue flip, you have to pay different and higher fees based on different signers. (NOT ON THIS SPECIAL DEAL THAT THE POSTER ABOVE SETUP, I"M ANSWERING GENERALLY NOT THIS OCCASION) IE, Michael Jordan is $100, Tiger is $100, common player is $20, Mantle is $75 or so, etc. When you send in a card for a red flip, you pay one set price unless the card itself is valued over $500.00 then you simply pay the next level up for that one. It’s far cheaper to get cards slabbed with the red, then with the blue (GENERALLY, AGAIN, NOT THIS TIME).
3) I personally don’t like the grading scales on the blue flipped autographs. It’s far too easy. 10’s are passed out like candy so to me it waters down the desirability of the numeric grade. Additionally, autographs are subject to environmental factors way more then cards are, so a blue flip autographed card might be a 10 today, and then in two years if exposed to light, you might not even be able to see the graph, however, it will still be housed in a 10 holder. To me, that’s totally bogus and I don’t see the market being able to sustain premium prices for high grades on graphs. Additionally, a person’s own eyes can easily discern the eye appeal of a graph, they don’t need a grader to call it a 10 to know that It’s bold, clear, and typical of the signer.
4) I buy and sell all the time, and I’ve found that it’s far easier to sell autographed cards at better prices that are in a red flip with card grade then blue flip either with or without autograph grade. For high dollar items, if it’s in a blue flip, the first question people ask is “Is the card authentic and unaltered?”, if it’s in a red flip with “Authentic” only, (in other words, no card grade), then the first question they ask is “Is the card unaltered?”. I’ve found that even low graded cards in red flips tend to sell for more then ones just graded authentic. People seem to understand that for a variety of reasons, autographed cards are much harder to obtain in high card grades, then unautographed cards due to the reasons that damage can occur at so many points of the autograph acquisition. This also tremendously helps the sale of high grade red flipped autographed cards.

My above reply is pretty much my standard reply when someone asks the blue/red question. It doesn't necessarily apply here as the original poster is offering a pretty good deal and price IMO.

Mike

raiderguy10

And to expand on that a bit, $20 is the cheapest fee plus another $10 to encapsulate. So with this special you basically pay for encapsulation and get the authentication (regardless of fee) for free

Ironmanfan

do you know if this price includes cards with more than one signature on it?

IMF

raiderguy10

They do not. Can only be single signed items.

raiderguy10

I've had a few members ask if we could postpone the submission for a while to get past the holidays. Unfortunately I don't think that can happen, as members have already submitted items to me with the expectation of them going out in about 10 days, and I've also let PSA know the submission will come the week of the 18th. I know the timing of this isn't the best with the holidays around the corner and I appologize for that. But I took what I could get when I got it.

With that said, assuming this works well, my goal would be to do this biannually and do two submissions a year through a bulk deal assuming they let it happen again. Maybe we could shoot for March and September submissions to keep it away from the holidays. So that's my thinking for those who are finding it difficult to make a submission with the holidays here.

raiderguy10

One bump tonight for the weekend crowd. Will bump once more tomorrow night before closing participants Sunday. Again, I hope to do this twice a year going forward if possible.

raiderguy10

last bump. please let me know by midnight tomorrow if you'd like to be included.

alifaxwa2

Mine are going to you today

raiderguy10

OK everyone that was interested in the submission should have been contacted with shipping/payment instructions. If I missed you, please let me know. Hopefully all packages get received and we can get them out early next week.

Dboneesq

Bump to keep it in view.

raiderguy10

Bump with an update. All packages have been sent, and I've marked what I've received and who has paid. I have not gotten the mail yet today, so this will be updated later tonight. But everything has been sent, and it looks like we should be on schedule to mail them off to PSA on Tuesday the 20th. I will be shipping in 2 packages to PSA - one for the standard submission, and another for the "larger" item submission. (and they will be separate submission forms as well). Once I send them off I'll post the tracking for both packages as well as the submission form #s so you can feel free to lookup to see updates on the submission. Then it'll be a waiting game.

I will also note that one package is coming from Canada. Not sure how customs will be with the holiday season, but it may take a little longer than usual. THat package was sent out last week ahead of everyone else, so I'm hoping it'll take the normal 10 days or so.

Dboneesq

Derrick ... payment sent via PayPal. Thanks again.

raiderguy10

No new updates to report. Mail was empty, so hopefully they come soon. I know Doug's DC showed it should have been delivered 3 days sooner than it was. Thinking the holidays are pushing it back a bit. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

raiderguy10

Today's update:

Received one payment. Also received blee's card from Doug and alifaxwa2's package. There was a package that was to big to fit in my lockbox, and I'll have to pick it up Monday at my PO. So there was one more received today - just not sure whose it was.

raiderguy10

Ok guys updated original post with today's mail. 1 more package and 1 more payment to go. They will go out the morning after everything is received.

raiderguy10

OK I received the last payment.

Schwartz, I sent you a PM so I can see what you are submitting so I can get the submission forms prepared.

raiderguy10

Still waiting on 1 more package. Schwartz, can you PM me the DC# when you get a chance? Thanks.

swartz1

It was supposed to be dlvd on Monday...

D/C shows it is still in Philly...


03102010000187279577

but, it hasnt been updated since the 16th...

raiderguy10

I've noticed the packages both here and stuff I've sold on ebay isn't getting scanned at sort facilities. I think they are just that backed up. Tomorrows a new day....let's hope it's here so we can get rollin.

swartz1

I apologize to the group - if you need to send it without mine...

I have no problem with it...

raiderguy10

I don't think it's a big deal. We know you mailed it.....it's gotta be comin. If it's Friday and nothing we will address it again.

Dboneesq

I agree that we wait a few extra days for the cards from Swartz. The mail can be CRAZY at this time of the year.

swartz1

thanks gentlemen - I really appreciate it...

the Schmidt card is kinda sentimental as I received it from him when I was in second grade via a correspondence...

the Ali - is a card show pick-up for $35 that I am hoping is good...

thanks again,

Mike

raiderguy10

Skunked one more time at the mailbox. Let's hope tomorrows the day as there won't be mail Saturday.

raiderguy10

03102010000187279577



Priority Mail®



Arrival at Post Office



December 23, 2011, 6:19 am



BISMARCK, ND 58504

Update:

Looks like the last package has hit the Bismarck PO.....only 4 days after the expected delivery. I've got the 2 packages ready to go - just need to add these to it. I have today off, so I'll get them in the mail today yet. I'll post the DC#s later tonight as well as the submission numbers so everyone can track to see the updates on PSA's site. Thanks for being so patient.

raiderguy10

Standard Package - Submission # 220788 - Tracking # 03102640000037199340

Larger Items Package - Submission # 220789 - Tracking # 9105150134711097708940

Zip Code 58503

Dboneesq

LET THE WAIT BEGIN!!!!!! Thanks again Derrick.

You entered: 03102640000037199340
Your Item's Status Your item was processed through our ANAHEIM, CA 92899 facility on December 26, 2011 at 2:12 am. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.

You entered: 9105150134711097708940
Your Item's Status Your item was processed through our ANAHEIM, CA 92899 facility on December 26, 2011 at 2:12 am. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later

raiderguy10

Now the official wait begins . Hopefully the charge will come through on my CC soon. 142 standard sized items, and 17 larger items will be the totals.

Your Label Number Service Status of Your Item Date & Time Location Features
Results 1 03102640000037199340
Label number 03102640000037199340 open-close link Show Details
Priority Mail®
Delivered
December 27, 2011, 4:47 pm
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92660
Expected Delivery By:
December 27, 2011
Delivery Confirmation™
Insured


Results 2 9105150134711097708940
Label number 9105150134711097708940 open-close link Show Details
First-Class Mail®
Delivered
December 27, 2011, 4:47 pm
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92660
Expected Delivery By:
December 27, 2011
Delivery Confirmation™/Insured > $200

Dboneesq

Thanks for the update Derrick.

raiderguy10

Larger items were received and are in the system. Hopefully the "standard sized items" will be soon as well.

Order # Submission # Date Received Date Shipped Status Items Service Department
40017407 220789 12/30/2011 N/A Receive Hold 17 Standard PSA/DNA

raiderguy10

Both are now logged in the system. I'll probably just do a weekly bump from here on out, aside from any changes to the order status.

Order # Submission # Date Received Date Shipped Status Items Service Department
40017438 220788 12/30/2011 N/A Receive Hold 142 Standard PSA/DNA

raiderguy10

I heard from PSA today. There were a few items they are going to disallow for being in excess of $100 declared values; so I'll issue refunds for those items.

Standard Sized:
Ollie Matson (mine)
Wayne Gretzky (mine)
Muhammed Ali (mine and swartz1)
Jim Finks (mine)
Richard Nixon (Dboneesq)
Esposito/Lafleur/Martin (eyebone)
Lafleur/Dionne/Shutt (eyebone)
Tuffy Leemans x2 (mine)
Ted Williams (BPorter26)

Larger Items:
Clarke Hinkle (mine)
Link Lyman (mine)

alifaxwa2

You may want to call back and discuss that with them...There own SMR states'
Gretzky card - $75
Matson card -$15

Larger Items:
Clarke Hinkle (assuming 3x5) $60

raiderguy10

That's their authentication fees - not whether a "value" is over $100. That means we are asking for a $65 per off authentication fee for those. I'm not exactly sure who has justification on the "value" of our cards, but they just said due to abuse in the past they are looking at it more closely.

I know I've had some cards done in the past (and other members have informed me they have too), but I can't really push the envelope too hard since they are doing us a favor. Sorry if it causes some heartache and inconveniences.

raiderguy10

And I agree - the Matson was most mysterious to me. Not sure why he'd be over $100, but it was a duplicate for me so I'm not too worried. But his is a $50 authentication fee -which is absurd. Certified autos on cards can be had for $15 or so.....

alifaxwa2

<< <i>That's their authentication fees - not whether a "value" is over $100. That means we are asking for a $65 per off authentication fee for those. I'm not exactly sure who has justification on the "value" of our cards, but they just said due to abuse in the past they are looking at it more closely.

I know I've had some cards done in the past (and other members have informed me they have too), but I can't really push the envelope too hard since they are doing us a favor. Sorry if it causes some heartache and inconveniences. >>



No, actually, thats the SMR prices for the items I stated; http://www.psacard.com/SMRPriceGuide/SetDetail.aspx?SMRSetID=940
Gretzky card is $75.

raiderguy10

Sorry my mistake - I misunderstood your statement.

I emailed them and we'll see. My guess is that SMR hasn't been updated, or maybe since it's a quantity special rather than a monthly special they're being harder on the declared values.

raiderguy10

Heard back, and they are going to stick with leaving those ones off. They didn't really give a reasoning, and I didn't want to push the envelope.

I did ask why guys like Ollie Matson have an authentication fee of $50 when you can buy pack pulled autos all day on ebay for $20 and under. They just said how valuable and how hard it is to authenticate the item drives the price. Seems like a dumb explanation on the Matson side, but again I'm not going to push it further.

So we will be moving ahead with 131 standard sized items and 15 larger items.

raiderguy10

Both statuses are now OK - so we can officially wait for the population now.

Order #

Submission #

Date Received

Date Shipped

Status

Items

Service

Department



40017438

220788

12/30/2011

N/A

OK

131

Standard

PSA/DNA



40017407

220789

12/30/2011

N/A

OK

15

Standard

PSA/DNA