Professional Star Dingers - THE OFFICIAL LIST!

bobbyw8469

Hey all.....I am putting together a list of the professional star dingers. It is VERY time consuming to run reports, but I am putting it in the people who are prone to ding your stars. One of them has over 23,000 feedbacks, and does it just to drive out the competition. Here they are...and if you have some, please add them to the list, as I don't need anymore!!

bbcardstor( 23865) TOP RATED SELLER! (How ironic)
mrniceguy1126 ( 737)
adif901974 ( 6045 ) Another TOP RATED SELLER!! (How ironic as well)
roses4anne ( 2013 ) ANOTHER TOP RATED SELLER!!


Of those four, two charge as much as I do, and the third has free shipping, but grossly overpriced BIN's!!

I don't understand the fascination with Top Rated Sellers dinging other peoples stars. I am not charging $10 shipping for a single slabbed card. I am charging FOUR DOLLARS, they are charging THREE!!!

thedutymon

Evening,

Bobby, Thanks....added to my BBL.

Neil

jeffcbay

I usually charge $3.00 for graded, $2.00 for raw, and charge no extra for multiple auction winners. But lately I've just been offering free shipping and adding the two or three bucks to the auction price. They can't ding my shipping stars that way, and they don't know the difference. Some people just don't understand that you must include the shipping cost when you determine your bid price.

Thanks for the list!

handyman

This tread may need another thread for each different charge each seller charges. Like a Thread for Free SH dingers, but that wont be needed. Thread 1 1.00-2.00 Sh. Thread 2 2.00-3.00. And This Thread (#3) 3.00-4.00.
I gave up on the star biz. They will do it just to do it.

detroitfan2

I just want to be sure I have this straight:

As small business owners, I'm assuming you have done the rough math and determined that it is more profitable for you to charge for shipping and potentially lose out on any power seller fee reductions due to star dinging than to offer free shipping and essentially guarantee your fee reduction at the end of the month. I don't sell enough to even understand the potential fee reduction, but this "decision" (i.e. to not offer free shipping) appears to be how the big boys roll (4 sharp corners, dslsports, probstein, bbce, pwcc, etc), so I'm going to assume that the decision to not offer free shipping is a solid business move. In my heart I believe that you would have higher bids with the free shipping that together with the fee reductions would put you ahead, but let's assume my heart is wrong.

On top of that, if I understand, you are about to begin blocking what I will just call, for lack of a better term, your past "customers". I am assuming these are people who paid in a timely manner and who otherwise gave you no issues other than to ding your stars for shipping and handling (which some have equated to "ruining your livelihood" in past threads). You are basically saying that in the long run, you come out ahead by selling only to those people who feel $4 to ship one graded card is "very reasonable", and in fact the equivalent as free shipping, and by eliminating any other bidders who may ding your stars. You sure that's what you want to do?

Let me give you a real life example: In the past several years, I bet I've won 50+ auctions from dslsports. I have never given them higher than a "3" for shipping and handling. I've already explained my reasoning in a previous thread, but yes, you can add detroitfan2 to the official list (as a side note). Besides those auctions, I'll bet I have lost out on another 200-300 auctions or more from dslsports. So if they would have blocked me after my first "3", there's 350+ bids from me they would have lost out on, and presumably a large percentage of those cards would have sold for less money. I am guessing that the amount of extra money they made on those bids more than paid for their loss of their seller discount (which I'm sure they know, which is why they could care less if I leave a 3, as long as I keep bidding).

I don't know if any of this makes sense, and you can do what you want, but you should be sure that blocking your customers from bidding is what you really want to do. You better also be sure your analysis of who really dinged your stars is 100% accurate before you start publishing ids here.

bobbyw8469

A '3' does no damage. A '1' or a '2' can get you kicked off Ebay. I don't mind getting the low stars, if I truly deserve them! One gentleman left me a '1' for shipping time, because unfortunately, I went on a much needed vacation. Ebay wouldn't allow me to turn on a 'vacation' button, as I didn't have a store. Therefore, I couldn't ship the item until I returned from vacation. He left me a '1'. He did NOT make the list. This list is for buyers who "ding" your stars with harmful 1's and 2's for no reason whatsoever. These same people are also sellers, who happened to charge $1 less per card than me. We are talking about $3 each for raw cards vs. $4 each for graded cards, with shipping discounts for multiple orders. The one "dinger" who didn't charge a comparable shipping charge was the seller who had over 23,000 feedbacks. In my opinion, he is star dinging in a blatant attempt to drive away the competition. Well, I REFUSE to partake in the overbloated BIN's that are overloading Ebay!! Ebay started out as an auction house. I am trying desperately to hang onto the auction formula, even though every little step makes it harder and harder for me to do so. If I start a card out at .99 cents opening bid with $4 shipping, then sue me. I don't see it as a gross overcharge worthy of a '1' or '2' star rating, especially when you yourself are charging $3 for cards not even graded! If you are going to ding me, you best not live in a glass house yourself......

PS - I am sure of my analysis. Ebay allows to you run reports using item numbers. Anyone with simple logic capabilities can use process of elimination to figure out who their star dingers are. Most people don't want to waste time running reports as it is very time consuming. I do.

Boopotts

<< <i>I just want to be sure I have this straight:

As small business owners, I'm assuming you have done the rough math and determined that it is more profitable for you to charge for shipping and potentially lose out on any power seller fee reductions due to star dinging than to offer free shipping and essentially guarantee your fee reduction at the end of the month. I don't sell enough to even understand the potential fee reduction, but this "decision" (i.e. to not offer free shipping) appears to be how the big boys roll (4 sharp corners, dslsports, probstein, bbce, pwcc, etc), so I'm going to assume that the decision to not offer free shipping is a solid business move. In my heart I believe that you would have higher bids with the free shipping that together with the fee reductions would put you ahead, but let's assume my heart is wrong.

On top of that, if I understand, you are about to begin blocking what I will just call, for lack of a better term, your past "customers". I am assuming these are people who paid in a timely manner and who otherwise gave you no issues other than to ding your stars for shipping and handling (which some have equated to "ruining your livelihood" in past threads). You are basically saying that in the long run, you come out ahead by selling only to those people who feel $4 to ship one graded card is "very reasonable", and in fact the equivalent as free shipping, and by eliminating any other bidders who may ding your stars. You sure that's what you want to do?

Let me give you a real life example: In the past several years, I bet I've won 50+ auctions from dslsports. I have never given them higher than a "3" for shipping and handling. I've already explained my reasoning in a previous thread, but yes, you can add detroitfan2 to the official list (as a side note). Besides those auctions, I'll bet I have lost out on another 200-300 auctions or more from dslsports. So if they would have blocked me after my first "3", there's 350+ bids from me they would have lost out on, and presumably a large percentage of those cards would have sold for less money. I am guessing that the amount of extra money they made on those bids more than paid for their loss of their seller discount (which I'm sure they know, which is why they could care less if I leave a 3, as long as I keep bidding).

I don't know if any of this makes sense, and you can do what you want, but you should be sure that blocking your customers from bidding is what you really want to do. You better also be sure your analysis of who really dinged your stars is 100% accurate before you start publishing ids here. >>



You need to remember, Tom, that for guys like the OP operating on Ebay is essentially an emotional experience. Remember, this is the guy who tried to 'flip' a PSA 8 Jordan RC for a $7 profit. Clearly you're looking at someone who, above all else, likes to buy and sell, and likes to feel that his activities have been validated by both his customers and Ebay's algorithms. Having his stars dinged hurts his feelings; that's why he's upset. It has nothing to do with profit maximizing.

bobbyw8469

In response to the last statement, I am NOT a professional seller. I am a collector. I like to flip cards to help pay for my collecting habits. Some cards I am happy making $5 on. At least it is not losing money. I have consigned some cards to PWCC for his latest auction. Some I have did well on, the majority I have lost money on. I am not like 707. I am not going to make a total killing on every single card I sell. I am trying to do well enough just to stay in the game a little longer. When I feel as though I am being wronged, I will be vocal about it. If I see someone being ugly to someone else, I will say something about it. Just the way I was brought up....

grote15

+1 for any post that uses the word "algorithm" in the correct context..

nightcrawler

<< <i>Let me give you a real life example: In the past several years, I bet I've won 50+ auctions from dslsports. I have never given them higher than a "3" for shipping and handling. I've already explained my reasoning in a previous thread, but yes, you can add detroitfan2 to the official list (as a side note). >>




I'd rate that advice 5 stars.

perkdog

<< <i> I am not like 707. I am not going to make a total killing on every single card I sell. >>




+1

otwcards

Buy high, sell low, but make it up in volume...

Bobby, you may want to open a Facebook account to post daily (or hourly) about your eBay frustrations.

bobbyw8469

lol...good advice Scott.....I think I won't have too much longer. Once I get the 1099 form this year, and I see my star dinging reach double digits, I may just pack it up and let Brent sell it all (except for my #1 PSA rated set.....gotta keep something)

handyman

Dont let ebay be the factor that gets you out of the hobby. Take a breather. Some people just suck.

goose3

I think another thread or three on this subject might be in order.

jeffcbay

<< <i>+1 for any post that uses the word "algorithm" in the correct context.. >>



I took a dump at a bar last night, and I think I might have contracted an algorithm from the toilet seat.

+1?

jimrad

Al Gore rhythm is about the same as George Bush prudent

+1?

bobbyw8469

<< <i>I think another thread or three on this subject might be in order. >>



If it warrants it!!! D**n right!!

jivan

as a very infrequent ebay seller this is just my 2 cents worth... the shipping price should not be an issue with ebay's dashboard........you bid and you confirm your bid....end of issue... to me that means you read the auction description fully, you understood it, you knew all the terms, you bid on it and you confirmed your bid on this auction.....to me, that is a binding contract.............seller did nothing wrong..whether it be 2.00 or 10.00 shipping....the bidder figured this into their bidding price....I think all you guys are focusing on the amount rather than the real issue...... I think ebay needs to hear all our concerns and make changes.. just my lil bit of ranting for the month..thanks

handyman

"the shipping price should not be an issue with ebay's dashboard........you bid and you confirm your bid....end of issue.."
+1

I completely agree. Puting myself in the buyers view there could be many things that cause a ding I guess. One time I bought a card just because it was ending in 45 seconds and it seemed low. Well thats bc the sh was 20.00. Live and learn. Didnt dding him but it did make me made. At first I was mad at the seller bc wtf 20.00. He was looking for me it seems. But it was me that bid, I understand that. But some people will put the blame on the seller if they have the option. Which ebay gives them. I just dont think you can win this battle if 1 person can upset you so much by this process. You can send it the same day they paid and you can get a ding for the USPS delivering it in 10 days. Its really all in the buyers hands.

mlbfan2

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<< <i>I think another thread or three on this subject might be in order. >>



If it warrants it!!! D**n right!! >>



Don't you mean "D**m" right?

mlbfan2

The only thing worse than a Professional Star Dinger is an Amateur Star Dinger.

Dpeck100

I ship cards the next day and use first class mail and I checked my dashboard and someone rated me a 1 or 2 star for shipping time.

The bottom line is sometimes when dealing with the public you are dealing with losers. Plain and simple. Do the best you can and just realize some people will never be satisfied.

I take tremendous pride in my shipping and for someone to rate it basically a 1 star is insane but it is out of my control.

RMac

Am I the only one that thinks the whole "Star" thing is extremely childish and immature. Not only that, but if they get low enough, eBay can kick you off for having low stars. I got booted two years ago, because I got behind on shipping for two months (November and December). Between working 12 hour days and the holidays I got behind and stuff was going out 7-10 days after it was paid for. I e-mailed everyone and let them know, but it didn't matter. Well in January, it got low enough to the point where they kicked me off. I called them and was talking to someone (obvioulsy an idiot) and was asking them how I could get reinstated and explained what happened. Well they told me that I had to get the stars up. Then I explained to them that I couldn't because I was kicked off. To which they replied "Yes sir, you were kicked off for low star rating" (Really? I'm pretty sure I know that) Well after about 10 minutes of this Abbott and Costello routine I couldn't take anymore so I just hung up. I have a new account now, and refuse to leave stars for anything. In the end, it really doesn't do anything, it doesn't help, nor does it hurt, the whole thing is just stupid.

bobbyw8469

I'm glad SOME PEOPLE finally get it......the peanut factory that puts duplicate threads on this board has no clue, because all they are pushing is 50 cent Tony Romo cards on EBay....If you sell enough to get a 1099 form from Ebay, and they threaten to kick you off, that is kinda a big deal.

itzagoner

childish and immature? aw come on, that's just silly ya big doodoohead.

RMac

<< <i>childish and immature? aw come on, that's just silly ya big doodoohead. >>



yea? well...my dad can beat your dad up.

itzagoner

CDsNuts

It is not possible to sell cards on ebay, charge $3 or more on shipping per card, sell more than 150 cards a month, and maintain a 20% discount for any significant period of time. Not possible. You need to accept this.

Instead of complaining about what's wrong with the system, accept the system for what it is and use it to your advantage. At $4 shipping per card you should be profiting around $2 per package on shipping; if you're not then you're hurting your bottom line way more than the dingers are.

TNP777

<< <i>I'm glad SOME PEOPLE finally get it......the peanut factory that puts duplicate threads on this board has no clue, because all they are pushing is 50 cent Tony Romo cards on EBay....If you sell enough to get a 1099 form from Ebay, and they threaten to kick you off, that is kinda a big deal. >>


ok, so according to you, you're not a professional seller, but then you insinuate that you sell enough to get a 1099 from eBay and are threatened with being kicked off? Am I understanding that right?

as for the peanut factory that puts up duplicate threads, my only response to that is that you're a complete dumbass. If there were other duplicate threads mocking you, I missed them - so assuming that little shot was at me, I don't sell 50 cent Tony Romo cards, I don't sell $1 Tony Romo cards, I don't sell squadoosh. However, if I did sell enough to garner a 1099 from eBay, I sure as hell would know my competition and alter my business model to be more competitive and nip these kinds of problems in the bud before they ever become problems. Instead, you and your ilk start whining thread after whining thread about how poor ol' you has been wronged by a mean ol' buyer. The very next time it happens, rather than looking in the mirror and asking yourself if YOU could be part of the problem, you run to the keyboard and pound out another sob story.

my eBay handle is dodgergeo - please feel free to add me to your BBL. I'd hate to buy something from you and have you micro-analyze the DSRs I left you. God forbid I should tell the truth and ding you for excessive shipping as it compares to your competition.

edit: I'm a real go-getter

purduepete

handyman

Maybe they thought 1 was the best.
1st place kind of think.

bobbyw8469

<< <i>as for the peanut factory that puts up duplicate threads, my only response to that is that you're a complete dumbass >>



I'm a complete dumbass?? I am trying to do something to help people and that makes me a dumbass? Running those reports isn't easy. It is time consuming. This list is the same as the BBL that frequently pops to the top. Is that a dumb idea as well? You sir, are a moron and a jackass. Go away.

bking

<< <i>"the shipping price should not be an issue with ebay's dashboard........you bid and you confirm your bid....end of issue.."
+1

I completely agree. Puting myself in the buyers view there could be many things that cause a ding I guess. One time I bought a card just because it was ending in 45 seconds and it seemed low. Well thats bc the sh was 20.00. Live and learn. Didnt dding him but it did make me made. At first I was mad at the seller bc wtf 20.00. He was looking for me it seems. But it was me that bid, I understand that. But some people will put the blame on the seller if they have the option. Which ebay gives them. I just dont think you can win this battle if 1 person can upset you so much by this process. You can send it the same day they paid and you can get a ding for the USPS delivering it in 10 days. Its really all in the buyers hands. >>



Let me flip this around a bit, while agreeing that the real problem is EBay's insane use of DSR's.

If I buy from ANYONE online, and then get a survey, I'd suggest that I'm well within my rights to ding them for charging too much for shipping EVEN THOUGH I BOUGHT THE ITEM KNOWING THE RATES. As a customer, I consider it OK to both do ongoing business with a company AND rate them negatively for an aspect of their service.

Brick

I'd like to know which is worse...a complete dumbass (not just an incomplete dumbass) or a jackass who doubles as a moron?

itzagoner

<< <i>I'd like to know which is worse...a complete dumbass (not just an incomplete dumbass) or a jackass who doubles as a moron? >>



does it matter now? all you've really done here is offend all the blithering idiots by excluding them.

bobbyw8469

<< <i>As a customer, I consider it OK to both do ongoing business with a company AND rate them negatively for an aspect of their service >>



I understand and appreciate everyones comments. The DSR's are insane! That is like McDonald's dinging Burger's King's stars with the comment "Greasy Burgers". They should look in the mirror. Most of the star dingers I have encountered have almost identical shipping charges to me. To me, that is a fault in the system that needs to be corrected. Ebay has no desire/incentive to fix anything.....

Brick

<< <i>

<< <i>I'd like to know which is worse...a complete dumbass (not just an incomplete dumbass) or a jackass who doubles as a moron? >>



does it matter now? all you've really done here is offend all the blithering idiots by excluding them. >>



Sorry. Don't take it personal.

itzagoner

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<< <i>

<< <i>I'd like to know which is worse...a complete dumbass (not just an incomplete dumbass) or a jackass who doubles as a moron? >>



does it matter now? all you've really done here is offend all the blithering idiots by excluding them. >>



Sorry. Don't take it personal. >>



HEY!

zep33

I poop, you poop, we all poop

KbKards

Ah but you're forgetting the OP believes his don't stink. At least it looks like the repeated good advice so vehemently ignored might have finally sunk in. Only $3.00 shipping for last night's listings. http://www.ebay.com/sch/tarheeltreasurehunt/m.html Now I'm sure if the Fleer sell for opening bid and he's gets whacked a 3 star we'll hear it all over again, but for those who thought there was no getting through to him you were wrong.

Stone193

<< <i>Al Gore rhythm is about the same as George Bush prudent

+1? >>



An example of an Al Gore rhythm: "I invented the internet"

gumbyfan

<< <i>I poop, you poop, we all poop >>

bobbyw8469

Hey KBCards....did you notice I dropped the shipping from $4 for the 1st card with 50 cents for each additional down to $3 for the 1st with 50 cents for each extra. And yes, if I get my star dinged by someone who has the EXACT same shipping charges as I do, should I not be upset!?!?!?!?!

detroitfan2

<< <i>

<< <i>I poop, you poop, we all poop >>



>>



That's an error cover. Apples don't poop.

bobbyw8469

<< <i>That's an error cover. Apples don't poop >>


Tell that to Jobs.

bking

<< <i>

<< <i>That's an error cover. Apples don't poop >>


Tell that to Jobs. >>



That's not as easy to do any more.

WinPitcher

nightcrawler

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This just in from the sidelines.

bobbyw8469

I did adjust my shipping down, but just noticed that a particular seller that everyone here knows and loves (Steve Hart -BBCE) sells individual cards on Ebay. His shipping for one slabbed card? Yep - you guessed it! $4. So $4 shipping is too high for me and I am not a top rated seller, but $4 shipping from BBCE is just fine and dandy. My how easily the fish are swayed......

WinPitcher

That's correct, get used to it.