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ARGH!!! I am so SICK of all these d**m STAR DINGERS!!!

Just got another one....and this guy is a seller too! I charge $4.00 for slabbed cards. He charges $3.00 for raw cards! I individually bubble wrap every slabbed card and then stick THAT inside a padded bubble mailer to prevent damage! I wonder if he packs as well as I do!! Anyway here is his username: mrniceguy1126

He left glowing feedback while silently dinging away at my stars. Is there any way to appeal that??

What is the main point behind sellers dinging other sellers stars, especially when they are charging almost the same thing I am!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Thanks for letting me vent.....
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  • brendanb438brendanb438 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭
    Nothing you can do unless he admits via eBay message system he left you bad stars as a mistake. Then you have to call eBay and biiatch and moan until the delete the feedback completely. If he doesn't admit it was a mistake there is nothing you can do.
  • I think the dashboard is soooo freaking stupid. I hate everythinhg about it
    Looking for 1950 Bowman football PSA 7's
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Just stop selling & consign it. Seriously, the few extra percent you lose is not worth the time & hassle. Other than selling on the board & private sales, I'm moving to this entirely in 2012 & am totally at peace with it.
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • TonyCTonyC Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just got another one....and this guy is a seller too! I charge $4.00 for slabbed cards. He charges $3.00 for raw cards! I individually bubble wrap every slabbed card and then stick THAT inside a padded bubble mailer to prevent damage! I wonder if he packs as well as I do!! Anyway here is his username: mrniceguy1126

    He left glowing feedback while silently dinging away at my stars. Is there any way to appeal that??

    What is the main point behind sellers dinging other sellers stars, especially when they are charging almost the same thing I am!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    Thanks for letting me vent..... >>



    Sellers ding sellers' stars because they are pissed at the system and the people who ding their stars, so dinging other people's stars is a sick way of getting even... even if they are getting even with the wrong people.



    On the appeal note, I have been told that you can't leave a 1 or 2 if you leave positive feedback, but if you call eBay, the enforcement of this rule is mixed. One anecdote, though:

    I shipped someone a magazine a day or two before Hurricane Irene--I live in RI and the buyer lived somewhere on the East Coast, I think PA. Of course, the magazine got "lost" in transit, so he kept asking me where it was and I kept telling him that I mailed it, and the DC number showed that it was somewhere in transit, and that due to the Hurricane it may be sitting somewhere and please be patient. After two weeks it hadn't been delivered, so I told him I would refund him if he didn't get it by the end of the week. Well, he got it by the end of the week, and he left me a positive with a "2" for shipping time. I couldn't control the hurricane; I mailed it either the day he paid or the day after, as I do everything that I sell, and that is all that I can control.

    Well, anyway, after a few weeks, I noticed that the low DSR for shipping time had disappeared from my account. The only thing I can think of is that they might have a program that trolls feedback and removes 1's and 2's that were left with positive feedback. I would be really surprised if they cared about sellers enough to develop such software, but that is my story, and that is the only good explanation I have.
    Collecting Tony Conigliaro
  • I don't see how you would be able to successfully appeal this with EBay.
    I work as a claims adjuster for an insurance company. Our performance reviews are largely tied to file audits which are done by someone outside our office. The current file auditing system that is in place is not fair at all, and the results bear only a very loose correlation to how good a person actually is at his or her job.
    In order to help keep myself sane in the face of this, about a year ago I developed a mantra:

    "Sometimes, you just get screwed".

    Give it a try; it is a great stress-reliever.


    Also, if you never want to deal with this exact problem again, offer free shipping and you can't be dinged in that category.

    'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.'
    -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14

    *1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
    *Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why stress yourself about things you can't control. If someone is going to ding you, you can't stop them. OTOH, you could either lower your shipping for a single graded card to $3.00 or $3.50 (which sounds getter than $4.00) or just offer free shipping so they can't even rate your shipping charges.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    $4 shipping for one card is pretty steep in my opinion...I charge $2.99 and have never had an issue.

    Good Luck!

    Jeff
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>$4 shipping for one card is pretty steep in my opinion...I charge $2.99 and have never had an issue. >>



    $4 to ship a graded card sounds right in my opinion. $3 to ship a raw card sounds a little extreme. If they are charging that much, then it had BETTER be well packed to prevent damage.

    On a side note, take a gander at what PWCC charges to ship graded cards. You will see everything from $3 to $30.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing you can do unless he admits via eBay message system he left you bad stars as a mistake. >>



    this is not true , the only way to get it erased is if the buyer left negative feedback

    it is an impossible system, unles you are shipping free, you are bound to get some idiot to hit you and if he bought 3 things from you , 3 dings and you are done for 3 months of getting any discount
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    $2.95 for slabbed, $1.95 for raw. Both protected by hard cardboard and then put in bubble mailer w/delivery conf. , heavy combined shipping discount.

    I've got 100% feedback, 4.9's and 5's accross the board for 1000+ sales.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Here is my detailed seller ratings for when you float over the stars on my feedback...

    Item as described: 5.0
    Communication: 5.0
    Shipping Time: 5.0
    Shipping & Handling: 4.8

    No discount for me - no top rated seller. As far as I'm concerned, Ebay's dashboard is a JOKE!!! They want everyone to charge free shipping - well guess what - the post office charges me to ship!
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    as always, the reality is: you post your shipping charges as part of your auction description and there is no secret or surprise to the buyer once the bill has been sent.

    by bidding, the buyer commits to paying your rate, otherwise they should refrain from bidding if they disagree with your shipping policies.

    pretty simple. either buy it or don't.

    eBay's horribly flawed system allows for people to take potshots at you virtually at will once they've made a purchase.

    whether it can be fixed on a case-by-case basis or not, it's ridiculous.

    you either learn to deal with the horribly flawed system or just walk away. they don't care which you choose.

    i feel for you Bobby. really. i'm in the same stupid slowly sinking boat. my discount disappeared several weeks ago, AGAIN, due to one smart aleck and the horribly flawed system.

    whatever. it is what it is. take the good advice you get here. use it if you need to. image
  • When you say '$4 for a slabbed card', is the slabbed card valued at $20 or $200? There's a big difference. For the lower priced cards, I appreciate sellers that charge $1, put the card in a recycled bubble mailer and mail it first class, 2 oz. at about 83 cents. I will always look for their auctions. If it's a higher end card, $4 puts you about a buck away from a priority mail box from the P.O. This is almost what I would expect for $4.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it really irks you this much, just lower your shipping charge to $3.00. I think Paul summed it up pretty well...if people are chiming in that $4.00 seems high, then you are going to encounter this situation on a regular basis. Is the extra buck really worth the stress and irritation?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is the extra buck really worth the stress and irritation? >>



    Is it REALLY an extra buck? I don't know what other bidders do, but if I'm willing to pay $10 for a card, my high bid will be $6 if the shipping charge is $4, $7 if the shipping charge is $3, and $10 if it's free shipping.
  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Bobby...

    How does $4 to ship a graded card say less than $50 sound right when it costs $1.75 with delivery confirmation?? $3 still allows you $1.25 to cover supplies or offset ebay fees. When your charging approx 2.5 times cost your going to get dinged.

    Another approach I have seen sellers take is to not worry about the discount and just charge whatever they want for shipping. Depending on what you sell you may be able to offset the discount with the higher shipping fees.

    Good Luck

    Jeff
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>If it really irks you this much, just lower your shipping charge to $3.00. I think Paul summed it up pretty well...if people are chiming in that $4.00 seems high, then you are going to encounter this situation on a regular basis. Is the extra buck really worth the stress and irritation? >>



    If he only charged $3 he'd wouldn't have as much to complain about. And that wouldn't be fun at all.
  • detroitfan2detroitfan2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭✭
    Guys . . . . guys . . . . perhaps you need a refresher course: It's all ball bearings these days.

    image


  • << <i>Guys . . . . guys . . . . perhaps you need a refresher course: It's all ball bearings these days.

    image >>




    This made my day. I love Fletch, After the weekend I have had It made me smile.
    Thank You

    ....for some reason I am thinking he says "now-a-days" instead of "these days", but I could be wrong.
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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    bobby I'll pay $4 all day for the quality of shipping you provide, top notch, now go dig out some stuff I need!


  • << <i><< Guys . . . . guys . . . . perhaps you need a refresher course: It's all ball bearings these days >>



    I love the line in Fletch where he tells that old coot he is from the Mattress Police and someone ripped the tags off his.
    From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo.
    ~WalterSobchak
  • I'm just trying to figure out what 'd**m' stands for.
  • brendanb438brendanb438 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭
    $4 may be high, but when it is clearly listed in an auction you are again agreeing to the terms. Who is to say the seller isn't paying $1 for bubble mailers, driving 20 miles round trip to the gas station in a junker? eBay takes what 40 cents now from that in fees also which is BS. $4 is just a tad high.

    $3 though is more realistic if you are getting bubble mailers in bulk like everyone who is on these boards should be if you sell on eBay. royalmailers.com is what I use.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm just trying to figure out what 'd**m' stands for. >>



    dadgum.
  • Yes, the buyer its agreeing to the terms. But that does not mean he likes them, thus your stars get dinged. Why gouge your buyers with all your costs? Lower shipping rates will generally produce higher bid amounts.


  • << <i>

    << <i><< Guys . . . . guys . . . . perhaps you need a refresher course: It's all ball bearings these days >>



    I love the line in Fletch where he tells that old coot he is from the Mattress Police and someone ripped the tags off his. >>



    What kind of name is Poon anyway......

    I live your body Larry

    Hes actually 6'3" with the afro 6'9"


    Fletch is just a classic movie
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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm just trying to figure out what 'd**m' stands for. >>



    dadgum. >>



    lol. too many letters.
    image


  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I'm just trying to figure out what 'd**m' stands for. >>



    dadgum. >>



    lol. too many letters. >>



    lol. 2 stars. image
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    The #4 looks bad, if you were to have $3.75 or $3.49 it looks better at first glance to a potential bidder..

    But the best thing to do is do FREE shipping, you will get more bids overall and it will make up the difference in cost.

    All depends on what you are selling if its a bunch of under $10 garbage, then FREE may not be so good, but if your selling mostly $30-$100+ stuff do it FREE.

    I personally will be turned off by shipping of $4 or more unless its a bigger $$ card ie $150+ and the $4+ includes insurance.
  • I do not sell, but my understanding is that if you ship for free, the buyer can not ding you on shipping.

    It is an attempt by ebay to to try an become amazon (which will never happen), and force you to ship for free. If you get seller discounts with power rating you really have no choice in the matter. Even if you charge $1 for shipping, someone who gets their shipping for free may ding you and you have absolutely no choice.

    Deal with it or move to a different market place, you really have no other choice.
    I am working on the Nolan Ryan master set. Need 1004 more cards to complete. I might actually spend more on plastic than I did on cardboard.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Deal with it or move to a different market place, you really have no other choice >>



    I heard that. I appreciate all the advice. I will probably do like Burgundy said, and just consign all my stuff with someone else. They get higher prices than I do anyway - let them deal with all the hassles and headaches. Just send me my check once a month.

    Oh - if you charge free shipping, they buyers CAN NOT ding your stars. That is one change that the boneheads at Ebay got right. In the past, they USED to have the capability to ding your stars when you offered free shipping. Too many buyers complained and Ebay saw what a bone-headed move that was, so they took away that ability.

    PS - CDNuts....the word D**N rhymes with NAM!
  • detroitfan2detroitfan2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭✭
    http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/fletch/bearings.wav

    Danm, you were right! It is "nowadays".


  • << <i>http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/fletch/bearings.wav

    Danm, you were right! It is "nowadays". >>



    I have seen that movie over 100 times. One of my top 5 of all time
    Looking for 1950 Bowman football PSA 7's
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    If you're using first class mail with dc, it costs the same to ship a raw card as a graded card. There's no longer any difference between 1-3 oz packages and I've surrounded psa graded cards with cardboard and bubble wrap without going over 3 ounces. With online dc, the shipping charge is $1.75.

    Uncle Sam may ruin the consigning option if online sellers grossing over 500k are forced to charge sales tax. That will hurt their prices realized compared to smaller sellers.

    I never look at my feedback which makes ebay far less frustrating. Keeping the shipping charge in the $3 range seems to be enough to maintain the discount. Surprisingly, even raw card sellers who grossly overgrade their cards still get the TRS discount if their shipping charges are cheap. Seems like most card collectors really have no idea what they're buying but obviously know what they're paying.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PS - CDNuts....the word D**N rhymes with NAM! >>


    If you'd actually spelled it that way in the thread title, he probably wouldn't have had to ask image

    Tabe
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    I sell something on eBay almost everyday and never look at the stars or the feedback received and could care less if I get a negative or a neutral or any feedback at all. Simply not worth my time.

    I'm a power seller with nice discount too image
  • On my last few purchases the seller has not left me feedback, what is the deal. Are sellers now waiting for feedback first. Had one person remind me twice to send feedback and how important it was for them as a newer business, did so, and never got feedback in return. Not a problem for me since I dont sell on ebay, but annoying nonetheless.
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    turn about is fair play...

    buy something from him and ding his stars...

    image


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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Yes!! After all, while charging $4 to ship a PSA graded card and packing it to ensure that it won't arrive damaged is worthy of a sub par ranking, charging $3 to ship a raw card is perfectly acceptable! I honestly wonder what some of these buyers are thinking!
  • I don't get where everyone is getting the $1.90 for mailer with DC,,,,

    The cheapest I get for a 1oz first class with dc is like $2.50
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    You get a small break if you do everything online. If you stand in line at the USPS and do everything the old fashioned way, it costs more.


  • << <i>You get a small break if you do everything online. If you stand in line at the USPS and do everything the old fashioned way, it costs more. >>



    If I walk into the post office its $2.51 to mail a padded mailer, raw card. If i do it online I save about 70 cents.
    Looking for 1950 Bowman football PSA 7's
  • TonyCTonyC Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭
    Keep in mind that eBay takes 9% of your shipping fee if it is an auction and 11% if it is a fixed price item.
    Collecting Tony Conigliaro
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    unless you are shipping free , you will get dinged eventually no matter how much you charge. the minimum online charge for a padded mailer is 1.75 with paypal shipping. not counting the fee ebay takes , insurance or the mailer. paypal transaction fee is 40 cents , if you are selling cards under 10 bucks , there is no way to justify selling them without charging 3-3.50 shipping.

    some examples of my dings ,

    2.50 shipping for 3 raw cards from 3 auctions valued at 40 bucks. 3 - 1 stars , sorry no discount for 3 months

    6 shipping for 6 tallboys sent priority mail the only way since they weight over a pound. 6 - 1 stars

    2.50 for a raw card valued at 5 bucks send in a bubble mailer fully protects , ding
    I since switched to sending all raw cards under 15 bucks in a white envelope with a card saver and piece of cardboard charging 1.50 which seems to keep people happy. I think I have only received 1 ding out of 200 transactions this way

    4 bucks for 2 graded cards valued at 30 bucks to a board member , member says he didn't mean to ding me and left 4 stars, ebay says too bad we will not reverse it because he left positive feedback

    I gave up on trying to get a discount , I charge 3.50 no matter the price on a graded card , 2.50 for raw over 15 bucks , 1.50 for raw under 15 bucks. I figure I cover shipping and ebay shipping charge (11% of shipping) plus the paypal transaction fee. I guess that is excessive in ebays book ......
  • Ok, let me ask this. What if ebay gave the seller the option of shipping. 1.50 for a white envelope or 3.00-3.50 for a padded mailer. I would be nice at checkout if you could give the buyer a choice of how they would like their item shipped. I think this would curn alot of the issues with people.
    Looking for 1950 Bowman football PSA 7's
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    i'm not the least bit surprised you're a Browns fan.


  • << <i>i'm not the least bit surprised you're a Browns fan. >>




    what the hell does that mean. im thinking outside the box. you should try it sometime. all im saying is give the buyer options to make them happy.

    so i ask, whats your issue!
    Looking for 1950 Bowman football PSA 7's
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ok, let me ask this. What if ebay gave the seller the option of shipping. 1.50 for a white envelope or 3.00-3.50 for a padded mailer. I would be nice at checkout if you could give the buyer a choice of how they would like their item shipped. I think this would curn alot of the issues with people. >>



    You already can do that.


  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>i'm not the least bit surprised you're a Browns fan. >>




    what the hell does that mean. im thinking outside the box. you should try it sometime. all im saying is give the buyer options to make them happy.

    so i ask, whats your issue! >>



    again, i'll repeat what i posted here earlier, but to clarify: the option we as sellers offer to buyers is the merchandise which they seek....this stuff doesn't grow on trees, ya know.

    well, it did. originally.

    but, to get back to the point at hand, the buyer COMMITS to making a purchase simply by bidding.....the facts are right there in their faces, INCLUDING the costs of shipping.

    if they are dissatisfied with the facts which have been placed before them, they shouldn't bid.

    so, what right does ANYONE have to jeopardize the health of another's business just because they feel like being as A$$HOLE???

    there's no other way to put it, you either bid based on the facts placed before you or DON'T!!

    the system stinks because people can rip you no matter what....if you offer FREE SHIPPING, they can still rip you somewhere else.

    play the stupid game, deal with it, but don't give stuff away just because you're trying to coddle people who couldn't care less whether or not you profit from your business, unless they are sophisticated enough to understand that your business health benefits them too, because you're still around to sell them stuff they want.

    THAT, my friend is the issue. how much happier does anyone need to be?

    btw, the Browns thing.......needed a image

    peace.
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