I love toned proof jeffersons, and have a ton of them... but what does this holder mean? It's natural toning, but ungradable? It's not natural toning, but a real jefferson? WTF? Here...
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
PCGS agrees the jefferson is a genuine jefferson nickel. The grader(s) question the toning (ie...they were not convinced it was natural and feel it not to be). I don't always agree with them but, in this case, I would question it if it were called "natural toning" as well.
What you got there is a genuinely artificial Jefferson.
Just why does PCGS use codes instead of coming out and saying on the label what they think is wrong with the coin? I guess that might make for some wordy labels ...
<< <i>Just why does PCGS use codes instead of coming out and saying on the label what they think is wrong with the coin? I guess that might make for some wordy labels ... >>
Other TPG's manage the wordy labels. PCGS heard lots of griping from us. Finally, we have some good news from an Oct 12 email. Lance.
· Genuine with Details. This is a new service that we are offering at no additional charge. You can now choose from three Genuine Service options. 1) Do not holder Genuine Coins; 2) Genuine with Details; 3) or the standard (default) Genuine service. Genuine with Details will print the coin problem as well as a details grade. We will not be using numeric grades. An example might be “Cleaned – XF Details”. New submission forms will be available in a few weeks however Genuine with Details is effective immediately, simply write it on your submission form. Note: you cannot mix Genuine services on one submission.
edited to add: That is one fugly Jefferson. Gag me.
To me, and many others, "questionable color" means that it is not known whether or not the color is artificial. "Questionable" means "I don't know". At least that is what my dictionary says.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>To me, and many others, "questionable color" means that it is not known whether or not the color is artificial. "Questionable" means "I don't know". At least that is what my dictionary says. >>
Which makes sense, because unless you either watched the doctor do it or had eyes on it for the x number of years it "naturally" toned, you really don't know.
You see the same thing with cleaned Lincolns in genuine holders, usually with key dates. There are so many counterfeits out there, it is PCGS's way of saying "Look I can guarantee you this thing is real if that makes you happy, but we're not going to put a grade on this piece of crap." I could see how with toning that could be subjective and more annoying, but I rarely see a Lincoln in a genuine holder that I didn't agree belonged there.
As management has put it, the word "questionable" is to satisfy the lawyers.
That coin is a genuine, not counterfeit, nickel.
However, it is not gradable due to the artifical coloring. It looks like a chemical treatment to me.
why do they do this "genuine" thing? So you know a coin is real, despite their refusal to grade it. This becomes more important for rarer coins. A really rare coin may be damaged or otherwise ungradable, but they will still let you know it is a genuine rare coin.
And soon, they will give a "details" grade range to let you know what approximate grade it would receive despite the "issues" it may have.
<< <i>What you got there is a genuinely artificial Jefferson.
Just why does PCGS use codes instead of coming out and saying on the label what they think is wrong with the coin? I guess that might make for some wordy labels ... >>
PCGS just announced you have three options, one with Genuine and the code, the other genuine with a description like they used to do, and three body bag.
Comments
I don't always agree with them but, in this case, I would question it if it were called "natural toning" as well.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>If they are sure it's AT, then why holder it?? >>
That's what the genuine codes are for
PCGS genuine code
<< <i>
<< <i>If they are sure it's AT, then why holder it?? >>
That's what the genuine codes are for
PCGS genuine code >>
The code 91 is listed as 'artificial color' in the above link.
I believe PCGS now uses 'PCGS Genuine (91 - Questionable Color) ' to describe ####.91 pieces.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Just why does PCGS use codes instead of coming out and saying on the label what they think is wrong with the coin? I guess that might make for some wordy labels ...
<< <i>Looking at that coin, I cannot see how anyone would not understand it has been artificially toned.... Cheers, RickO >>
<< <i>Just why does PCGS use codes instead of coming out and saying on the label what they think is wrong with the coin? I guess that might make for some wordy labels ... >>
Other TPG's manage the wordy labels. PCGS heard lots of griping from us. Finally, we have some good news from an Oct 12 email.
Lance.
· Genuine with Details. This is a new service that we are offering at no additional charge. You can now choose from three Genuine Service options. 1) Do not holder Genuine Coins; 2) Genuine with Details; 3) or the standard (default) Genuine service. Genuine with Details will print the coin problem as well as a details grade. We will not be using numeric grades. An example might be “Cleaned – XF Details”. New submission forms will be available in a few weeks however Genuine with Details is effective immediately, simply write it on your submission form. Note: you cannot mix Genuine services on one submission.
edited to add: That is one fugly Jefferson. Gag me.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>To me, and many others, "questionable color" means that it is not known whether or not the color is artificial. "Questionable" means "I don't know". At least that is what my dictionary says. >>
Which makes sense, because unless you either watched the doctor do it or had eyes on it for the x number of years it "naturally" toned, you really don't know.
<< <i>Looking at that coin, I cannot see how anyone would not understand it has been artificially toned.... Cheers, RickO >>
That coin is a genuine, not counterfeit, nickel.
However, it is not gradable due to the artifical coloring. It looks like a chemical treatment to me.
why do they do this "genuine" thing? So you know a coin is real, despite their refusal to grade it. This becomes more important for rarer coins. A really rare coin may be damaged or otherwise ungradable, but they will still let you know it is a genuine rare coin.
And soon, they will give a "details" grade range to let you know what approximate grade it would receive despite the "issues" it may have.
<< <i>
<< <i>Looking at that coin, I cannot see how anyone would not understand it has been artificially toned.... Cheers, RickO >>
However the lighting on the hole thing (holder) doesn't look right to me. Maybe they ramp up the contrast on their images.
<< <i>What you got there is a genuinely artificial Jefferson.
Just why does PCGS use codes instead of coming out and saying on the label what they think is wrong with the coin? I guess that might make for some wordy labels ... >>
PCGS just announced you have three options, one with Genuine and the code, the other genuine with a description like they used to do, and three body bag.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>value = 5 cents >>
<< <i>
<< <i>Looking at that coin, I cannot see how anyone would not understand it has been artificially toned.... Cheers, RickO >>
Is it ironic his one neutral came on an NT coin