san diego w/ mint grease (was putty)? (updated photos)

steveben

what do you think that discoloration at 11:00 on the rev of this san diego is? could it be putty? sorry, i have no better photos at this time.

shorecoll

Looks like a bad job of rinsing after a dip, from that picture. That would be a strange place for putty.

Kove

Thick schmutz from someone grabbing the coin improperly. You can see the partial print extending into the coin, and it's just saturated over "CAL" from whatever was on the person's thumb.

LanceNewmanOCC

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hmm while we are guessing here is mine

the brown haze which is strong at 11 rev and weak overall on rev/obv is from the mint

some type of grease/solution they put on dies to ensure coins would eject properly?

this was not applied evenly since they are just doing a job and would prefer to be at home with a cold one either having a BBQ and/or watching "the" game

while it was still wet the coins were subject to sawdust/or something similar to dry them and then that stuck to the coin?

then when at the end of the line/table/bags someone grabbed the coin and parts of the stuff on the surface was removed

the parts we see still there simply were not removed as oppose to looking like someone had something on their fingers/hands and put it on the coin

this could also have all the above but at the end of the line the person(s) grabbing coins for whatever reason had a bunch of the grease/sawdust?

on their hands and actually did put it on the coin(s) but my opinion, unlikely.
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telephoto1

No offense to OP but a San Diego isn't rare enough to warrant putty work by a coin doctor. It's simply a milky toning splotch left behind when someone tried to dip away the fingermark and the associated toning around it.

johnny9434

<< <i>No offense to OP but a San Diego isn't rare enough to warrant putty work by a coin doctor. It's simply a milky toning splotch left behind when someone tried to dip away the fingermark and the associated toning around it. >>

i dont see anything to warrent something else here

steveben

that's ok...no offense taken. i am just wondering what's up with that mark. but, now that i look closer, i do see the fingerprint.

ricko

No putty.... A putty job does not look like that, plus, it would not be worth the effort. Cheers, RickO

LanceNewmanOCC

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if you are wondering what i mean by mint grease, here you go.

i have found a couple dozen morgans/peace with a good amount and looooooooooooooooooooooooooove it, screams originality

and if you are wondering if this stuff harms the coins value, well it is an MS68, so no worries

almost got a few to march with me on the ANA,PCGS,NGC with signs stating, "Leave the Grease"

also thought of one as an ode to that ol lady in the Arby's commercials, "Where's the Grease"


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golfer72

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if you are wondering what i mean by mint grease, here you go.

i have found a couple dozen morgans/peace with a good amount and looooooooooooooooooooooooooove it, screams originality

and if you are wondering if this stuff harms the coins value, well it is an MS68, so no worries

almost got a few to march with me on the ANA,PCGS,NGC with signs stating, "Leave the Grease"

also thought of one as an ode to that ol lady in the Arby's commercials, "Where's the Grease"

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Manorcourtman

PVC residue.

steveben

mint grease...hmmm. that could be it. very interesting. pvc residue? wow, i hope not.

this is a new purchase...i haven't received it yet...i'll take some better photos once i have it in hand. thanks for the responses everyone. this is very educational, which is why i love this forum.

steveben

okay, here's two sets of updated photos with different light...




now that i have the coin in hand, it's looking a lot more like that morgan above.

darktone

Thought putty was only seen on gold coins???

Broadstruck

If it was putty wouldn't ya think it would be all over the main grading areas of the commem which it is not.

steveben

i don't think it's putty any more...it was just an idea...however, i am thinking i agree with LanceNewmanOCC that it's mint grease. i am just wondering if anyone else, including Lance, agrees now that I have some somewhat better photos. thanks!

AUandAG

Mint grease? That's finger grease. See the print? Improperly handled and turned in
the holder.

bob

steveben

yeah, i see the fingerprint. read the other posts though. perhaps that's all it is, but it's all over the coin, even where you can't see the fingerprint grooves.

gonzer

<< <i>also thought of one as an ode to that ol lady in the Arby's commercials, "Where's the Grease" >>



Wendy's.

telephoto1

OK...since it got posted, I just feel the need to put this out there regarding that Eliasberg 89CC. I saw this piece a few years back and thought it was generously graded then. Yes, it's a major rarity, higher grade, doesn't come nice and clean, yada yada... I get that... but without the Eliasberg pedigree does any other Morgan get a 68 grade looking like that? Let's be honest. If that was from Joe Sixpack's collection, with the same dusky goldish/brown tone, carbon spots (one of which appears to have grown a bit)...all other things being equal... if submitted, no way it gets a 68. Or even a 67. JMHO.

golfer72

<< <i>OK...since it got posted, I just feel the need to put this out there regarding that Eliasberg 89CC. I saw this piece a few years back and thought it was generously graded then. Yes, it's a major rarity, higher grade, doesn't come nice and clean, yada yada... I get that... but without the Eliasberg pedigree does any other Morgan get a 68 grade looking like that? Let's be honest. If that was from Joe Sixpack's collection, with the same dusky goldish/brown tone, carbon spots (one of which appears to have grown a bit)...all other things being equal... if submitted, no way it gets a 68. Or even a 67. JMHO. >>

I hear you. i see a lot of misgraded coins but that one takes the cake. 64 at best.