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NT or AT Seated Quarter?

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a tough one. The color progression seems a bit suspicious to me.
    I think it's pretty though.

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  • jomjom Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oddly, that looks JUST like a perfectly naturally toned....Morgan Dollar from a bag.

    How that happened on a Seated Quarter is beyond me.

    jom
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I pass.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with everyone so far...a little odd toning and very possibly AT.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do not know for sure (what does the obverse look like), however, I could make one like that. image Cheers, RickO
  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT. Although I think it looks nice. The way that the toning is lying on the fields and devices is what makes think AT.
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT is my thought.........What does the obverse look like?
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It almost looks natural except I'm not big on the purple color that is in the area of "UNITED STA." That looks suspicious to me along with the fact that the toning is broken up into two parts, which is unusual, but not “fatal” when it comes to natural toning.
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  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    AT. Very common AT colors and progression
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    I don't think it is natural. I have never seen such toning on seated quarters. Can we see the obverse.
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  • TinyTiny Posts: 2,598

    Why would anyone AT and coin in that condition?
    It really looks nice but it does have the AT look. image
  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think it is natural. I have never seen such toning on seated quarters. Can we see the obverse. >>



    image me want obverse
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AT. Very common AT colors and progression >>



    Really? How, exactly, did you reach the conclusion that this color progression is AT (as opposed to NT). Curiously yours...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • jomjom Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>AT. Very common AT colors and progression >>



    Really? How, exactly, did you reach the conclusion that this color progression is AT (as opposed to NT). Curiously yours...Mike >>



    Exactly. The progression looks like a Morgan dollar from a bag. I also see an "NT Marker" at "God We" in the motto. The field color isn't the same as device and that is very difficult to do artificially.

    Need to see the obverse though...this is a tough one to call.

    jom
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    Obverse

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  • jomjom Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm fairly certain that obverse is NT.

    Just my lame opinion though....

    Regardless, nice coin and DATE.

    jom
  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Holy Smokes...I wasn't expecting a "0" at the end of the date based on the reverse photo. You have my utmost attention now. Looks very nice! How but a 4331 post give away! Sweet, super duper tough/nice coin. Wait, I need a napkin to wipe up my drool!!

    That has got to be a condition rarity if NT. Heck, even AT condition rarity.

    Haha you got me! That can't be the reverse for that obverse now can it!
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The obverse looks PL and NT to me....The reverse has me scratching my head now?
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    I am 100% certain it is a fake. The question is, it looks to be a sandwich coin. As it is a pretty good deception job.
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin as a whole looks MA.Very nice.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am 100% certain it is a fake. The question is, it looks to be a sandwich coin. As it is a pretty good deception job. >>



    Fascinating, and frankly a whole heck of a lot more interesting than the AT/NT conjecture going on in this thread.

    How did you draw this conclusion? I would presume die characteristics.
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  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    Ok after looking at the obverse it looks NT and like a proof? But the reverse has signs of AT from the progression IMO. See what the slab company thanks?
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LOL, I laughed when I saw the "1870." The toning issue is moot now. The mint mark is the 1877-1878 style, and the coin is definitively Not Genuine.
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>AT. Very common AT colors and progression >>



    Really? How, exactly, did you reach the conclusion that this color progression is AT (as opposed to NT). Curiously yours...Mike >>



    The purple band that runs across the coin is very suspect. But I figured the obverse would have the same type toing that would seal the deal on AT for me.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you have a photo of the 1870 style MM? If so please post.
    Thanks Al
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    Seems like there was a good reason why no obverse image wasn't originally posted. image
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  • Coinerww2Coinerww2 Posts: 356
    That's one of the prettiest fakes I've seen yet.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    The CC is clearly in the wrong location.

  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you have a photo of the 1870 style MM? If so please post.
    Thanks Al >>



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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭
    image I missed out on all the fun! This coin can not be.
    Derek

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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭
    Well then again, Ive seen an 1878-S 25c with a small "s" centered over the "R" in a PCGS VG8 a few years ago too.
    Derek

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  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    Yes, it is indeed a counterfeit that is discussed ATS with diagnostics that show the errors made by the counterfeiter, which includes in addition to the wrong style of MM using a clashed die that is not know to exist on this date.

    Of course that does not resolve whether it is an AT counterfeit or an NT counterfeit. image Conceivably a counterfeit could be NT if it were held in collection for example by an unkowing collector.

    The reverse toning appears to mimic bag toning most commonly seen on Morgan dollars but not what one would expect to see on a Seated quarter, much less a rare date CC. Not sure why the counterfeiter did not just stick with the toning he put on the obverse.

    CG
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool thread, and there are some darn sharp cookies in this forum - well done!
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  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Of course that does not resolve whether it is an AT counterfeit or an NT counterfeit. image Conceivably a counterfeit could be NT if it were held in collection for example by an unkowing collector.

    The reverse toning appears to mimic bag toning most commonly seen on Morgan dollars but not what one would expect to see on a Seated quarter, much less a rare date CC. Not sure why the counterfeiter did not just stick with the toning he put on the obverse.

    CG >>



    As a quarter collector myself, I've never seen "bag like toning" from morgan dollars on any quarters.

    "It is what it is."

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