WSOP Circuit Event #2 Hammond, Indiana
gecko109
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Im ITM....starting day 2 in about an hour. Does the $64k and the gold ring have my name on it? We'll see. Updates later. 
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After playing over 13 hours yesterday to whittle an original 648 field down to 72, I played for about an hour today in the restart before I shipped it with AJ. A real rookie move.
Started the session with just above an avg stack of $113,000 chips. Called off 25-30k on a couple of medium pairs that I whiffed on the flops. Had about $66k in late position when I looked down at AJ off. Had just the button and the 2 blinds behind me, so I came in for a $13k raise ($2500/$5000 blinds with $500 antes.....so there was roughly $12k in pot). Button and SB both muck. BB asks what im playing behind....I say 50ish. He shoves. Now I have 2 moves.....fold and be left with just 10 big blinds, or call and hope im at least in a race against an underpair. I call and he turns over AQ. Guy hits a turn and river Q, so at least I didnt have AK and get beat like that.
Next up is the WSOP Circuit Tour Main Event. A $1600, 4 day event that starts Friday. Wish me luck!
<< <i>Congrats on the cash, but yes, calling all-in in that spot is a rookie move. 10BB gives you a decent amount of time to double up to a respectable stack. Unless you thought the BB was making a move on you with garbage, there is virtually no hand he could hold where you would be even a minor favorite, let alone a prohibitive favorite. I hate "having to get lucky" to avoid a tourney exit. >>
Agreed. A/J is just such a beatable hand. Any pair, A/K, A/Q are all favorites. Even stuff like K/Q gives the other guy 2 over cards to your second card that can pair and beat you.
It's good to push before you get blinded off down to nothing but you weren't at that point yet. Hold out for something better!
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I just played a $200 monthly at a casino near us, prepping for the WSOP next year. Got down to a similar situation (roughly 15 BB) and found A/K from the button. Raise, reraise from the table donk in the BB, I push all-in to find he woke up with pocket A's. OUCH!!!
<< <i>Not really that bad of a push. You have less than 20BB, the typical measure of being short stacked. You moved against the blinds and can always expect at least one of them to protect. If the guy had a nice stack and played pretty tight, that's one thing. If he was loose and had less than an average stack, he moves in with nearly anything, especially already being in the money. Your play also is a factor in what to expect from his bet. I wouldn't say it was a rookie move. If he had A/10 suited or K/Q, you're in great shape. He just had one of 6 hands that had you in terrible shape.
I just played a $200 monthly at a casino near us, prepping for the WSOP next year. Got down to a similar situation (roughly 15 BB) and found A/K from the button. Raise, reraise from the table donk in the BB, I push all-in to find he woke up with pocket A's. OUCH!!! >>
After replaying the hand a few times, I agree that it was not a terrible play after all. I simply got caught going up against a better hand. Percentage wise, I think my move against the button and 2 blinds will win me the pot at least 3 out of 5 times if not 4 out of 5 .....meaning all 3 simply fold, or I do have the best hand with AJ. Its not too often that AJ is not ahead with just 3 hands behind you. I think that my calling the 3rd bet (the BB's all-in) knowing I was beat is what bothers me the most. But I wasnt exactly healthy with chips. There comes a time where you just have to take a chance in just about every tourney. That was my chance taking time.
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<< <i>Not really that bad of a push. You have less than 20BB, the typical measure of being short stacked. You moved against the blinds and can always expect at least one of them to protect. If the guy had a nice stack and played pretty tight, that's one thing. If he was loose and had less than an average stack, he moves in with nearly anything, especially already being in the money. Your play also is a factor in what to expect from his bet. I wouldn't say it was a rookie move. If he had A/10 suited or K/Q, you're in great shape. He just had one of 6 hands that had you in terrible shape.
I just played a $200 monthly at a casino near us, prepping for the WSOP next year. Got down to a similar situation (roughly 15 BB) and found A/K from the button. Raise, reraise from the table donk in the BB, I push all-in to find he woke up with pocket A's. OUCH!!! >>
After replaying the hand a few times, I agree that it was not a terrible play after all. I simply got caught going up against a better hand. Percentage wise, I think my move against the button and 2 blinds will win me the pot at least 3 out of 5 times if not 4 out of 5 .....meaning all 3 simply fold, or I do have the best hand with AJ. Its not too often that AJ is not ahead with just 3 hands behind you. I think that my calling the 3rd bet (the BB's all-in) knowing I was beat is what bothers me the most. But I wasnt exactly healthy with chips. There comes a time where you just have to take a chance in just about every tourney. That was my chance taking time. >>
Exactly. Without khnowing the playing style/stack of the BB, it's hard to judge the move. Regardless, you had roughly 10 BB after the push, so options are limited unless the guy was a rock, and deeper stacked.
If nothing else, by folding, you are creating a "pushover" image (classic Hellmuth move), which you can exploit later when you make the same raise with a monster hand, and a big stack thinks he'll be able to move you off your hand.
i had PM'd him, congratuated him and constructively offered my 2cents.
i had some similar comments that have been posted.
forgot to ask how long the blind levels were, 1hr? a few more orbits next time?
<< <i>There is a HUGE difference between RAISING all-in with AJ off, and CALLING all-in with the same hand. Dirtmonkey makes a good point about the BB's style of play, but unless I know him to be a loose player that likes to make moves, it's an easy fold for me. I'm not calling off my chips knowing I'm no better than 50/50.
If nothing else, by folding, you are creating a "pushover" image (classic Hellmuth move), which you can exploit later when you make the same raise with a monster hand, and a big stack thinks he'll be able to move you off your hand. >>
There is a difference between raising and calling with AJ. But that distinction starts to blur as one gets closer to a short stack. For instance.....if you had just 5 big blinds left, would you call someone's all-in with AJ if you were on the BB? I would.
With 20 big blinds and the same scenario, its an easy fold. With about 10 big blinds left, its just a gut decision at that point. If I had folded, I would have had about 50k in chips with 2500/5000 blinds and 500 antes. With a stack like that, sometimes you have to just take a shot. I'd rather get 50k in with AJ than to get 25k in with Q10 later. I took my shot and it was at the wrong time. Thats all that really happened. Had I called off 20+ big blinds with AJ, then I should never sit at another poker table in my life.
Blinds were 300-600 with 50 ante. I had about 18k left of an original stack of 20k. Didnt get involved in too many hands for the 1st 6 hours. I was in middle position with a raise of 1800 in front of me.....I make it 4700 to go. Table folds around to initial raiser. He had been playing 30%+ of his hands to the flop at least and raising preflop at least half that time. He thinks for a few seconds then shoves. Had 40-45k in chips....so had me covered by a mile. I snap call and he flips up AK off. I turn over KK and an ace is right in the window!!! Im down to just 1 out....and it doesnt come. At least this time I got it in with the best hand. Theres always next year!
you played the hand correctly.