The Laura Sperber ANA Governors campaign trail platform
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I thought a new thread was in order as RYK let his tread go off the rails
A worthy read from start to finish.
MJ
I thought a new thread was in order as RYK let his tread go off the rails
A worthy read from start to finish.
MJ
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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Go, Laura!
Tom
Personally, you have 100% of my support.
Professionally, PCGS has been waging a mostly unseen war against coin doctoring. We would welcome the support of the ANA in this effort.
Shouldn't the ANA be about consumer protection, above and beyond all else? Today, other than third party grading, it is buyer beware and the biggest buyers are ANA members.
WS
Yes. Even during the prime time of ripping collectors off from 1972-1986 I don't recall much about ANA consumer protection. Ideally this should go hand in hand with educating collectors about coinage history/manufacturing. What good is knowing the history if you end up buying a lot of overgraded and overpriced junk from the majority of sellers? How many collectors
come back for a 2nd round after they got burned on their first round of purchases?
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Larry L.
<< <i>Great Platform from Laura and I support her and it. Of note, she wants to make the ANA a consumer advocate for collectors. I also support this. About 7 years ago, the ANA publicly stated that it would become the standard bearer for ethics in the industry. Since that time, about all I have seen is that they removed the Code of Ethics from the by-laws (though presumably, it still exists). Now, the ANA may step up to this important responsibility and I think that is a good thing. >>
Exactly why some of us are not members of the ANA at this time.
Hey this is exciting. I'm joining the ANA just so I can vote for Laura!
( I can vote if I join, can't I ?
Some artist (better than I) could draw a picture of a dog with a muzzle on it, and then superimpose the prohibited (circle/backslash) symbol on top.
Another variety (collect 'em all, of course) could have a picture of an evil doctor playing with coin, also with the prohibited symbol on top.
At the bottom it can say VOTTE LAURA 2012 or something similar. On the back it should have a picture of an ultra-cool coin that she has handled in the past (again, more variants to collect).
I personally know she has the hobby's best interest at heart.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
How will Laura work around the issue of long board meetings during coin shows?
Or for that matter, how does any board member who is a dealer work that out.
FWIW, I certainly looking forward to the election and can see myself casting a vote for Ms. Sperber.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Or for that matter, how does any board member who is a dealer work that out.
There is no "work around". Board members end up spending less time on the bourse, period.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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This is all in jest and I hope it is taken that way. All kidding aside, I hope some positive can come out of this. There are certainly some different directions that the ANA could go in that would benefit the hobby as a whole. Maybe someone can get in there to truly shake things up? It's needed.
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
<< <i>Nothing ever changes with this organization. >>
I don't believe that. You had a complete slate of governors thrown out at one shot, the ED shortly behind them, and all outstanding litigation resolved. And you went from gross budget deficits to at least breakeven. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mssrs. Mishler, et al, is forgetting how bad it was. I don't agree w/how this latest affair was handled from a PR viewpoint, but you have to look at the entire record not just the parts you disagree with.
All that said I still think Laura can add some new perspective to the board.
<< <i>The ANA is like a leopad; you cannot change its stripes. >>
Interesting colloquialism. I thought the leopard had spots in its coat. I do know that a zebra has a striped coat.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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I will definately support and vote for Laura!
She will kick the snot out of those coin doctorin, polliticly correct weenies that now run thwe ANA.
GO Laura, GO, GO!!!
But I also bow to Bill Jones' experience. And I hope this won't be too frustrating for her if she's going it alone...
Garrow
<< <i>Cool, I will buy one (but not place it on my bumper- I don't do bumper stickers).
How about a tattoo?
If you are NOT currently an ANA member, you will NOT be allowed to vote in the June, 2013 election for Laura or anyone else UNLESS you become a member no later than March 31, 2012, pay your annual dues for one year and THEN pay another year annual dues one year later (sometime between when you join and March 31, 2013.
So how many who have posted that Laura "has my vote" are current members?
If you answered "no" to the above question, is it worth two years of membership dues to vote for Laura?
I really hope Laura runs and is as dedicated as she sounds. I just wonder how her campaign will work out when her new supporters realize they can't vote for her since they aren't members and even joining at that time won't let them vote.
Steve
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<< <i>About 7 years ago, the ANA publicly stated that it would become the standard bearer for ethics in the industry. Since that time, about all I have seen is that they removed the Code of Ethics from the by-laws (though presumably, it still exists). Now, the ANA may step up to this important responsibility and I think that is a good thing. >>
The ANA does have codes of ethics for both members and dealers. Unfortunately, the links were accidentally removed when the new by-laws were posted. With the majority of staff out of headquarters this week, my attempts to get them reposted have been unsuccessful. I think you will see them again shortly.
Greg
<< <i>I like the possibility of having educational events outside of ANA headquarters/shows
Unlike what Laura posted saying the ANA should have educational events outside of Colorado Springs -- We do. There are classes held prior to each convention and -- in some cases -- at other shows as well.
Other seminars away from Colorado Springs have been tried multiple times and the demand simply is not there. At one point, ANA tried to hold two sets of Summer Seminars -- one in Colorado Springs and one on the east coast. The east coast seminar failed miserably.
Greg
Sure, the ANA may win those lawsuits in the end... but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees in each instance. With a $6 million a year budget, that is not something the ANA can afford to get into. Sure, it may point out a few names, but after a year or so the entire organization will not exist. Is that a victory?
Greg
Considering that the TPGs, the PNG, the Courts, the FTC and the Numismatic Consumer Alliance are already working to protect the consumer, I'd say that the ANA should direct most of their limited resources elsewhere.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>As for all those calling for the ANA to be a "consumer protection agency" or to "name coin doctors", you must realize one thing. Even if there is irrefutable proof that someone has done something illegal or unethical, naming names opens the ANA up to lawsuits for defamation of character and slander.
Sure, the ANA may win those lawsuits in the end... but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees in each instance. With a $6 million a year budget, that is not something the ANA can afford to get into. Sure, it may point out a few names, but after a year or so the entire organization will not exist. Is that a victory?
Greg >>
People post "before" and "after" doctored pics here all the time. I don't see anyone getting sued for it.
<< <i>I don't care what the chatroom monkeys and boo birds say, Laura is no drecky widget.
It's "chatroom chimps", not "chatroom monkeys".
I assume the ANA can create enforceable rules for dealer members. or rule that protect members. you have no valid reason why the ANA is not doing this. Hell, you guys just canned the best director ever and your not quivering over a potential lawsuit.
laura is going to clean your clock. the ana deserves it.
<< <i>People post "before" and "after" doctored pics here all the time. I don't see anyone getting sued for it. >>
It's different when an anonymous person, usually with limited assets, makes an accusation.
When an organization with $60 million in assets does (like the ANA does, with it's museum collection), it's a different story.
Greg
<< <i>laura is going to clean your clock. the ana deserves it. >>
Good luck to her. I hope she doesn't find board meetings "too boring" like she does now when they concern "unimportant" matters such as the budget.
Greg
<< <i>Good luck to her. I hope she doesn't find board meetings "too boring" like she does now when they concern "unimportant" matters such as the budget.
Greg >>
Preemptive whining really doesn't become you, and probably will not serve you well in the long run...
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Are you suggesting that the ANA should hunt down the doctors and sue them? Doesn't seem practical to me.
Speaking of which, how's the PCGS lawsuit going?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>Good luck to her. I hope she doesn't find board meetings "too boring" like she does now when they concern "unimportant" matters such as the budget.
Greg >>
Preemptive whining really doesn't become you, and probably will not serve you well in the long run... >>
That's not whining, and it is unfair to characterize it as such.
I agree with MrE on this issue. There are other entities that have the collector's back on the thorny coin doctoring issue.
Those who make grading a concern will continue. Those who hold the candle of integrity will continue. Those driven to educate and teach will continue. Those who deal will continue. Those bent on profiting from this hobby using techniques that often times are meant to decieve or cheat will continue. Some things will never change, but we'll keep voting for it. Kind of odd, huh ?
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<< <i>Nothing ever changes with this organization. >>
I don't believe that. You had a complete slate of governors thrown out at one shot, the ED shortly behind them, and all outstanding litigation resolved. And you went from gross budget deficits to at least breakeven. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Mssrs. Mishler, et al, is forgetting how bad it was. I don't agree w/how this latest affair was handled from a PR viewpoint, but you have to look at the entire record not just the parts you disagree with.
All that said I still think Laura can add some new perspective to the board. >>
Well said.
<< <i>Are you suggesting that the ANA should hunt down the doctors and sue them? Doesn't seem practical to me. >>
I don't think the ANA would have standing in such a lawsuit*, unless they were the party being harmed (like PCGS is being harmed by coin doctors). The ANA could provide support for a member who was being harmed, but with coin doctors that would be a black hole of financial ruin for the Association.
*I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong.
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I'm not suggesting that they should fear lawsuits, but they should always be aware of all the consequenses of their actions.
I would like to see what Laura would propose to deal with coin doctoring. If she proposes a way to put pressure on them without drawing lawsuits, then more power to her.
I think that developing a dealer membership with strict rules would be one way to go.