<< <i> The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked.... >>
Get real. Yes, it's a nonprofit, but it has to be run like a business to work efficiently. It has cash flow, expense, personnel, accounting, legal and other issues that are no different than those a for-profit business would have.
<< <i> The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked.... >>
Get real. Yes, it's a nonprofit, but it has to be run like a business to work efficiently. It has cash flow, expense, personnel, accounting, legal and other issues that are no different than those a for-profit business would have. >>
You didn't say "it's has to be run like a business." you said it IS A BUSINESS. That's a distinction that means a world of difference to the IRS...and why board members and executives of nonprofits must be very careful about what they say and how they parse their words. Not something Laura is known for.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i> The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked.... >>
The ANA definitely is a non-profit, but it also is a non-profit with a $6 million a year budget -- which is larger than most small businesses -- and has 34 employees.
In 1967, when the ANA opened Headquarters, it moved from a coin club to a non-profit. Unfortunately, the coin club mentality prevailed well through the 1980s when it was not uncommon for a board member to tell a staff member to do something or to fear for their job. That's not the way a non-profit runs.
While we have moved on from there, we have NOT moved on to make prudent business decisions -- such as having a balanced operating budget each year or ensuring most programs break even or better. You DO need business minds in order to ensure the long-time survivability of a non-profit. That is where there is still growing room for the ANA.
Having said that (and having just returned from a 7 hour executive session board meeting), I can assure you there are many minds on the current board (including Jeff Garrett and Cliff Mischler (I'll avoid adding my name so tsmittsr doesn't start saying i'm just promoting myself)) that do realize the hard business decisions which need to be made.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
Having said that (and having just returned from a 7 hour executive session board meeting), I can assure you there are many minds on the current board (including Jeff Garrett and Cliff Mischler (I'll avoid adding my name so tsmittsr doesn't start saying i'm just promoting myself)) that do realize the hard business decisions which need to be made.
Greg >>
But you will, IMHO, appear to associate yourself, pup, with two big dogs in the hopes that people will think of you as running with the big dogs.
Good for her. I suggested on this very board a long time ago that I thought she should run for the board. She's been one of the most vocal about what is 'wrong" with the hobby, and how to fix it...and now she's actually taking steps to do so. I may have even been the first to say so, but considering I read less than 1/10th of all posts on here, who knows.
Unfortunatly for me, my ANA membership is up and I can't afford to renew it, so I won't be able to vote for her, but if I could...I would. (Proud to say I voted in the last two elections)
If Laura becomes an ANA governor, will she push to make CAC the official ANA stickering service?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I DO hope Laura follows through on her statement that she WILL run for the ANA board in 2013, but that is a long way away. She has a major commitment to her coin business and I am sure that is #1 right now. Can anyone confirm that Laura attended any of the PUBLIC sessions of the ANA board this week in Pittsburgh? That would say something to me about her real commitment right now. ANY ANA board member needs to get "up to speed" about the real issues faceing our organization and attending open ANA board meetings is a good way to start. Steve
<< <i>Your comment that the ANA has zero concern for the collector is wrong. The ANA started ANACS, the first grading and authenication service, when altered, whizzed, fake and overgraded coins were the NORM in the market, and there was no recourse for victims...most of whom didn't even KNOW they were victims.
The rule that the President of an organization has to spend a term on the board is very common among nonprofits. Learn the ropes before making changes based on kneejerk reactions to issues that they usually don't have all the background information about. Preventing "angry mob" takeovers of the organization, often for commercial gain. I was on the board of a small business chamber where a member was mad that a restaurant he owned wasn't selected as the caterer for the organization events. The guy paid the memberships of every employee, waiter, busboy, dishwasher that worked for him, all showed up, voted in 50% of the board with his flunkies, won an uncontested term as president, got himself listed as preferred caterer for ten years under a no bid contract...then he lost interest in the organization, and he and his new board members quit coming after a couple of months, so no quorum so we couldn't do any business. Then we got sued for not letting the other restauarants bid on the catering contract. Just about killed the organization. >>
My comment wasn't referencing the events of 30 years ago. It was referencing the past several years but while you're on that, the fact that they regularly had a certain grading company advertising in their magazine that was mailed out to ALL members while the stink was going on kind of disproves your point and validates mine, no?
You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make.
For a "Non Profit" there are some people making some nice "profit" and outright living from being employees.
<< <i>You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make. >>
There is nothing to justify. Requiring someone to serve two years first on the Board of Governors before they take over the gavel makes perfect sense. Each organization is different and the President should have a “working knowledge” of what – how- why the Board does things, so intelligent decisions can be made if there should be any changes.
I hope that each President has the goal of making sure the organization is in a better position when he hands the gavel over to his/her successor then when he/she received it.
<< <i>I DO hope Laura follows through on her statement that she WILL run for the ANA board in 2013, but that is a long way away. She has a major commitment to her coin business and I am sure that is #1 right now. Can anyone confirm that Laura attended any of the PUBLIC sessions of the ANA board this week in Pittsburgh? That would say something to me about her real commitment right now. ANY ANA board member needs to get "up to speed" about the real issues faceing our organization and attending open ANA board meetings is a good way to start. Steve >>
Why aren't these meetings video'd and put on youtube? Just like my local township town meetings are. Why should she have to travel to anywhere to see what happened at a meeting? It's 2011, not 1981
Why aren't the meetings webcast live where we, as paid members, can log in with our membership number and view them in real time?
Whether or not a few of you agree or not that's fine. I'm in agreement with whomever it was that didn't think a term as a governor should be a prerequisite to be President. Like I said...Gold Ole Boys Club......and I stand firmly by that.
Why aren't the meetings webcast live where we, as paid members, can log in with our membership number and view them in real time?
Whether or not a few of you agree or not that's fine. I'm in agreement with whomever it was that didn't think a term as a governor should be a prerequisite to be President. Like I said...Gold Ole Boys Club......and I stand firmly by that. >>
I just returned from the meeting. They do make a video of the meeting, but I don't know what they do with it. I made a suggestion about Early-Bird badges. I said they should sell them to dealers and let dealers sell them (for same price) or give them out.
I didn't see Laura there. I would be good for her to get a feel for what they have to endure.
Why aren't the meetings webcast live where we, as paid members, can log in with our membership number and view them in real time?
Whether or not a few of you agree or not that's fine. I'm in agreement with whomever it was that didn't think a term as a governor should be a prerequisite to be President. Like I said...Gold Ole Boys Club......and I stand firmly by that. >>
Why don't you get a hold of CSPAN or CSPN2 and have them get right on it! Last I knew, the Board of Governor’s meetings were open to the public unless they go into "executive session”, so if it is that important to you ….. SHOW UP to the meeting.
I don’t want my dues being wasted buying the equipment and staff to produce a web video.
The town hall section of the meeting featured three questions:
1) A gentleman from the Red Rose Coin Club said the ANA board did the absolute right thing in its handling of the Larry Shepherd situation. Additionally, he listed several qualities needed in the next board which included "being in awe of being able to run the ANA" and "to realize he/she serves at the pleasure of the ANA Board of Governors".
2) There was a question (via twitter! -- yes, you can tweet questions to the ANA Board) requesting clarification of if clubs can share tables at an ANA convention. (Yes, two clubs can share one table)
3) Oded Paz (national club rep program leader) said members would like to know the details of the Larry Shepherd dismissal. Tom Hallenbeck replied that due to employment law, we are unable to provide any further details.
So much for the angry mobs ready to lecture the board...
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
Seems to me that the only one who is providing us information about what is going on at the ANA board meeting in Pittsburgh is Greg. Thanks Greg. Steve
<< <i>You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make. >>
There is nothing to justify. Requiring someone to serve two years first on the Board of Governors before they take over the gavel makes perfect sense. Each organization is different and the President should have a “working knowledge” of what – how- why the Board does things, so intelligent decisions can be made if there should be any changes.
I hope that each President has the goal of making sure the organization is in a better position when he hands the gavel over to his/her successor then when he/she received it. >>
Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member.
<< <i>I DO hope Laura follows through on her statement that she WILL run for the ANA board in 2013, but that is a long way away. She has a major commitment to her coin business and I am sure that is #1 right now. Can anyone confirm that Laura attended any of the PUBLIC sessions of the ANA board this week in Pittsburgh? That would say something to me about her real commitment right now. ANY ANA board member needs to get "up to speed" about the real issues faceing our organization and attending open ANA board meetings is a good way to start. Steve >>
Laura is going to follow through and run. Remember, I have one of the least good impression's of her but I will vote for her without hesitation. She's made it quite clear that this is something she will definitely follow-through on and run a very strong race.
<< <i>Seems to me that the only one who is providing us information about what is going on at the ANA board meeting in Pittsburgh is Greg. Thanks Greg. Steve >>
You're welcome. If anyone is curious what was on the agenda of the open session, the agenda is posted on the ANA website here.
A press release with the results of the session will be released this weekend, which I will post once it is released.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make. >>
There is nothing to justify. Requiring someone to serve two years first on the Board of Governors before they take over the gavel makes perfect sense. Each organization is different and the President should have a “working knowledge” of what – how- why the Board does things, so intelligent decisions can be made if there should be any changes.
I hope that each President has the goal of making sure the organization is in a better position when he hands the gavel over to his/her successor then when he/she received it. >>
Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member. >>
That’s right!
Let them serve on the Board of Governors first.
I take it that you don’t have the intestinal fortitude to run yourself for the Board. Beside stalking Greg L. it appears that you talk the garbage but you can’t walk the walk.
From what I heard and read about the ‘town hall’ form of meeting the Board of Governors held, there was no out cry for the heads of the Governors for the action taken with Mr. Shepherd like you have been calling for. I doubt that Mr. Shepherd would even consider running for the Board, he probably just wants the whole matter to go away and get on with his life.
<< <i>Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member. >>
I'm going to smack myself for feeding the trolls... but so be it...
There is A LOT I have learned about the ANA that the average, involved member does not know in the past two months that makes me realize just how much more I have to learn. Other than Larry Shepherd (who is ineligible to run in 2013), none of the individuals you mention know about the ANA budget that I've already learned.. just for starters.
"First Class Numismatists" -- including those you mention -- are great coin dealers. It does not mean they know everything about leading a $6 million per year non-profit.
To counter my nemisis' allegation, I will state flat out that I will not be running for ANA President or Vice President in 2013, as a two year term will not afford me enough experience to understand the complexities of running a multi-million dollar non-profit organization.
Additionally, I fully support the by-laws which require at least one term on the Board before becoming ANA President or Vice-President.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member. >>
I'm going to smack myself for feeding the trolls... but so be it...
There is A LOT I have learned about the ANA that the average, involved member does not know in the past two months that makes me realize just how much more I have to learn. Other than Larry Shepherd (who is ineligible to run in 2013), none of the individuals you mention know about the ANA budget that I've already learned.. just for starters.
"First Class Numismatists" -- including those you mention -- are great coin dealers. It does not mean they know everything about leading a $6 million per year non-profit.
<snipped>
Greg >>
How about you go to Baltimore and explain directly to: Julian, Warren, Harlan, Don Willis (if he's there), etc. and have you explain directly to them why you, with your upcoming two years on the ANA Board (despite your statement of non-candidacy) believe they are unqualified to run for President or VP of the ANA because they haven't served two years of "boot camp" as rookie ANA Board members, what do you say? I'll take your word on what they say in response to you as to whether they agree with you or not.
David Hall would be unqualified to be ANA President or Vice President because he hasn't been a Board member first, really?
I'd really love to hear you explain your opinion to Laura on this. If she could run, she'd win in a landslide and I think all the good old boys know this.
Gregg Bingham is one of the top collectors in the country. He's a highly successful private businessman as well, worth millions of dollars. He has a degree in economics. His political connections through over a decade in the NFL and meeting influential and powerful people, both in business and politics are wide spread. You don't think he could step right up and be President or VP of the ANA without two "learning" years on the ANA Board?
You really DO believe, don't you...IMHO, that these nationally known and vastly successful and highly well-respected numismatists, couldn't handle either office without spending two years first on the ANA board?
Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
The issue of needing to serve for two years in "boot camp" is clearly written in the rules. If you have a problem with that, have you attended one of the ANA meetings and raised your concerns in person? If travel to one of the meetings is not practical, have you used the relatively simple link on the ANA website to contact the Board of Govenors directly?
Rather than continue to harass Greg (whom I have never met) and to make it even easier for you, here is the link to that page:
By the way, have you ever spoken directly to the heavyweights you keep naming about running for the office? Are they interested? Can they / are they willing to devote the time and resources to such a task? I asked this several days ago but have not seen a response.
<< <i>Rather than edit my comment above, I will add this:
The only reason I re-joined the ANA was to get collector priveleges to CAC. Plain and simple. >>
I thought it was NGC that ANA members could direct submit to without joining NGC. Can we also now direct submit to CAC?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
A few months back, CAC was running a "Collector Member" special whereby non-dealers could apply for submitting rights. You needed to provide an ANA number and two references to apply. That offer has since expired, and I do not know if it will be offered again. Absent that offer, I would most likely not be an ANA member today.
A few months back, CAC was running a "Collector Member" special whereby non-dealers could apply for submitting rights. You needed to provide an ANA number and two references to apply. That offer has since expired, and I do not know if it will be offered again. Absent that offer, I would most likely not be an ANA member today. >>
Thanks for clarification.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
Over the years, you have made some excellent posts and points on this forum (including many that I agreed with and some that i did not) but whatever positive reputation that you have developed here has been squandered on your unrelentless, unprovoked, uncivil, and unprofessional attack on GregL. I think it is nothing short of disgraceful.
<< <i>Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
Over the years, you have made some excellent posts and points on this forum (including many that I agreed with and some that i did not) but whatever positive reputation that you have developed here has been squandered on your unrelentless, unprovoked, uncivil, and unprofessional attack on GregL. I think it is nothing short of disgraceful. >>
Here. Here.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
I would much rather read a substantive discussion of ANA operational issues, rather than some debate (read, pi**sing match) about who is qualified to run the organization.
<< <i>The issue of needing to serve for two years in "boot camp" is clearly written in the rules. If you have a problem with that, have you attended one of the ANA meetings and raised your concerns in person? If travel to one of the meetings is not practical, have you used the relatively simple link on the ANA website to contact the Board of Govenors directly?
Rather than continue to harass Greg (whom I have never met) and to make it even easier for you, here is the link to that page:
By the way, have you ever spoken directly to the heavyweights you keep naming about running for the office? Are they interested? Can they / are they willing to devote the time and resources to such a task? I asked this several days ago but have not seen a response. >>
I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO?
By the way, have you ever spoken directly to the heavyweights you keep naming about running for the office? Are they interested? Can they / are they willing to devote the time and resources to such a task? I asked this several days ago but have not seen a response.[/q
I am not authorized to speak for anyone whose name has been raised. We already have Laura in the race and I don't think she will be the only "well-respected numismatist" in the race.
<< <i>Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
Over the years, you have made some excellent posts and points on this forum (including many that I agreed with and some that i did not) but whatever positive reputation that you have developed here has been squandered on your unrelentless, unprovoked, uncivil, and unprofessional attack on GregL. I think it is nothing short of disgraceful. >>
Ask Greg to please respond to the two basic questions I've repeated asked him. That's all I'd like from him is for his "on the record" responses.
Greg first came here, predominantly IMHO, as an outsider looking for votes as other candidates have done in the past. Was he ever here before that in any significant way? Once the race became uncontested, did the tone and manner of his posts change? I believe they did but that's only my opinion and your mileage may vary.
I do not believe he shows what I think to be the requisite leadership or independence that someone in the position should have. Had the election been contested, he would not have received my vote and I don't think he would win a contested re-election bid in two years, particularly against the likes of people like Laura and, perhaps, some others of equal prominence and numismatic respect.
Regardless as one of *my* nine Board members, I've asked him two question to which he has not publicly responded.
1. Will he propose a bylaw change so as to permit former employees who have left ANA employment over a year and a day before the next election to run for the Board of Governors. If yes, when will he propose it? If no, why is he specifically against it?
2. Will he propose a bylaw change so as to permit any ANA member in good standing to run for President or Vice President without serving as a Governor for a term? If yes, when will he propose it. If not, how can he explain his view...keeping in mind that this requirement is actually stronger than that required to run for President or Vice President of the United States. Nowhere is it required that a Presidential candidate have served in elective office before running for Federal office. (Dwight Eisenhower was elected President without ever running for any office and Colin Powell likely would have also been elected without holding office, as examples). As the ANA is a Federally chartered organization, does he believe that the ANA should have more restrictive bylaws for executive offices than the U.S. Constitution requires for Federal offices (including Congress) that actually have oversight responsibilities on the ANA?
That's all I want to have him, as a Governor explain. I need not write the ANA Board. He's a Governor who has been here since he was a candidate. It seems to me that if he embraces openness and sunshine in governance, he'd take every opportunity to explain his position in detail.
Would he do so in Coin World if they asked him the same questions before the next election? If not, I will certainly respect his not doing so here. If he would though (and we all only have our own opinion as to whether any candidate would respond to questions from Coin World or Numismatic News, etc.) why wouldn't he respond to the same two questions from a constituent right here and right now?
Greg serves me just as he serves every other ANA member who frequents this PCGS sponsored message board. He may not like me but he still serves as one of my nine Governors. I may be the one holding his political feet to the fire on these two questions but I don't think I'm the only one who would like to read his specific, detailed and public explanations about them.
<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg >>
Sorry, you have taken on public responsibilities which require your giving up a certain amount of your privacy in return for holding office and the public trust. I do not hold such a position and, as such, I do not have to give you any personal and private information. That has nothing to do with "step(ing) up to the plate." I stand by my statements whether you know my personal information or not.
That is, however, a convenient dodge IMHO, for you to avoid answering two simple questions which would result in my not mentioning either of them again. If you were to answer them, you would not hear from me again.
<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg >>
Sorry, you have taken on public responsibilities which require your giving up a certain amount of your privacy in return for holding office and the public trust. I do not hold such a position and, as such, I do not have to give you any personal and private information. That has nothing to do with "step(ing) up to the plate." I stand by my statements whether you know my personal information or not.
That is, however, a convenient dodge IMHO, for you to avoid answering two simple questions which would result in my not mentioning either of them again. If you were to answer them, you would not hear from me again. >>
He's a volunteer, not a slave. I suggest you take your vendettas private because you are doing an excellent job polarizing people against your side, whatever that is.
I'll answer the questions for you. No, GregL will not propose those bylaw changes if for no other reason than he should not be intimidated and coerced to do so by some unrelentless crank on a message forum. Frankly, the bylaws, as they stand now, make good sense to me.
<< <i>tcmitssr is not even a member after all this? Not good--------------------BigE >>
Who has, specifically, said that I am *not* a member of the ANA? I'd like to know their names and ANA membership numbers, if indeed they are ANA members as well. Please note, I don't mean any of that, at all, not one word of it. I do not have the right to that information (or want even the least little bit of it) or to require the disclosure of the same from anyone (I respect the complete and total privacy of everyone). Heck, if the ANA had its own message board that allowed pseudonyms, it would be irresponsible, if not illegal, for it to reveal anyone's personal information or ID number without that person's expressed written permission.
I am a member in good standing of the ANA. Several members of this PCGS message board know who I am but respect every individual's right to privacy with regards to their personal information. Would you, as a coin collector, want your name posted online, perhaps risking your safety and that of your loved ones by those who rob homes and stalk collectors leaving coin shows? Isn't part of the reason Coin World offers a plastic wrapped edition by mail to protect one's privacy and add to their personal safety?
It is everyone's individual judgement here, which I completely respect and honor, to keep their identities and personal information to themselves and those they specifically know and trust.
Going back to the ANA, even if I were not a member however....as a Federally chartered organization, as I am a U.S. citizen and a taxpayer, I would have the right to question a Governor of such an organization or to ask my Congressional members to do the same. That's why we have freedom of speech, a Bill of Rights and our Constitution.
If I have done anything that is improper in any way, I would expect to have received a private communication from Don, David or one of the PCGS leadership team requesting either my ceasing my actions, changing my methodology or banning me. That does not mean they, individually or corporately endorse or support my postings....only that I have not violated any of their rules for generously providing this place for all of our use.
I have not, to the best of my knowledge, engaged anyone who is not either a candidate or a Board Governor, in any way that is in line with how I have approached Governor Lyon and, maybe, one or two (over 10 years here, I can't completely remember) candidates or Governors who have posted here. They are people who have actively chosen to place themselves on a ballot for election and, IMHO, have a responsibility to answer questions from their membership, or as a Federally chartered institution, from anyone who is a U.S. citizen exercising his or her rights to publicly question the actions of the organization as well as its elected officials.
As one of the candidates in the 2007 election, I know all and well what Ms. Sperber will have to deal with in regards to campaigning. She will have to stand firm on whatever her platform might be. My advice to anyone who runs for any office in any organization, whether numismatic or not, is this - keep an open mind. Of all the ideas that are floating around, there is usually a good one just waiting to be used, in the right way.
That being said, if Ms. Sperber really decides to run in 2013, then the members of the ANA who yearn for change the same way she does will back her. There are those here on the CU foums who are endorsing her, and I am going to add my name as well.
In closing, there were some people who were asking me if I was running for the ANA Board this year, and I have stated that I am not going to run, and don't plan to run anytime soon. At the present time, Illinois numismatics is a bigger concern. Also, I am in the working stages of my upcoming camapaign for President of the Illinois Numismatic Association, which, as of last night (10/16), is now official through Facebook. I will have plenty to do in the coming months because of this campaign.
Sincerely, Michael Doran (dorancoins)
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<< <i>If Laura does run it will be with humility and out of a sense to help the hobby. >>
Laura is running, that's for sure. She also knows, despite our differences, that she has my vote. Whatever I think of Legend as to it's treatment of customers at coin shows, I know Laura would only do what's in the best interest of the numismatic community after she is elected.
<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
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Sorry, you have taken on public responsibilities which require your giving up a certain amount of your privacy in return for holding office and the public trust. I do not hold such a position and, as such, I do not have to give you any personal and private information. That has nothing to do with "step(ing) up to the plate." I stand by my statements whether you know my personal information or not.
That is, however, a convenient dodge IMHO, for you to avoid answering two simple questions which would result in my not mentioning either of them again. If you were to answer them, you would not hear from me again. >>
He's a volunteer, not a slave. I suggest you take your vendettas private because you are doing an excellent job polarizing people against your side, whatever that is.
I'll answer the questions for you. No, GregL will not propose those bylaw changes if for no other reason than he should not be intimidated and coerced to do so by some unrelentless crank on a message forum. Frankly, the bylaws, as they stand now, make good sense to me. >>
Has Greg authorized you to speak on his behalf? If not, why can't or won't he speak for himself?
If one person can "intimidate and coerce" a Board of Governors member "on a message forum," would you vote for that Governor to continue in office? OTOH, the entire matter can be forever be put to rest by providing his responses. This is not a private matter where the answers should be placed in confidence via PM, IMHO. Would you want a Governor to express his or her opinions in private but not in public, on the record?
<< <i>Rather than edit my comment above, I will add this:
The only reason I re-joined the ANA was to get collector priveleges to CAC. Plain and simple. >>
I thought it was NGC that ANA members could direct submit to without joining NGC. Can we also now direct submit to CAC? >>
Anyone, until CAC recently closed its membership roster, could apply for direct submission purposes. Now, non-CAC members must follow whatever the procedures are for submission.
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<< <i>Opportunity knocks loud here!
She definately has my vote! >>
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This is funny but I won't say why.
Never view my other linked pages. They aren't coin related.
<< <i>Isn't the ANA a bit of a gentleman's club!? >>
Maybe LS got caught having a lap dance
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The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked.... >>
Get real. Yes, it's a nonprofit, but it has to be run like a business to work efficiently. It has cash flow, expense, personnel, accounting, legal and other issues that are no different than those a for-profit business would have.
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The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked.... >>
Get real. Yes, it's a nonprofit, but it has to be run like a business to work efficiently. It has cash flow, expense, personnel, accounting, legal and other issues that are no different than those a for-profit business would have. >>
You didn't say "it's has to be run like a business." you said it IS A BUSINESS. That's a distinction that means a world of difference to the IRS...and why
board members and executives of nonprofits must be very careful about what they say and how they parse their words. Not something Laura is known for.
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The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked.... >>
The ANA definitely is a non-profit, but it also is a non-profit with a $6 million a year budget -- which is larger than most small businesses -- and has 34 employees.
In 1967, when the ANA opened Headquarters, it moved from a coin club to a non-profit. Unfortunately, the coin club mentality prevailed well through the 1980s when it was not uncommon for a board member to tell a staff member to do something or to fear for their job. That's not the way a non-profit runs.
While we have moved on from there, we have NOT moved on to make prudent business decisions -- such as having a balanced operating budget each year or ensuring most programs break even or better. You DO need business minds in order to ensure the long-time survivability of a non-profit. That is where there is still growing room for the ANA.
Having said that (and having just returned from a 7 hour executive session board meeting), I can assure you there are many minds on the current board (including Jeff Garrett and Cliff Mischler (I'll avoid adding my name so tsmittsr doesn't start saying i'm just promoting myself)) that do realize the hard business decisions which need to be made.
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Having said that (and having just returned from a 7 hour executive session board meeting), I can assure you there are many minds on the current board (including Jeff Garrett and Cliff Mischler (I'll avoid adding my name so tsmittsr doesn't start saying i'm just promoting myself)) that do realize the hard business decisions which need to be made.
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But you will, IMHO, appear to associate yourself, pup, with two big dogs in the hopes that people will think of you as running with the big dogs.
Unfortunatly for me, my ANA membership is up and I can't afford to renew it, so I won't be able to vote for her, but if I could...I would. (Proud to say I voted in the last two elections)
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Your comment that the ANA has zero concern for the collector is wrong. The ANA started ANACS, the first grading and authenication service, when altered, whizzed, fake and overgraded coins were the NORM in the market, and there was no recourse for victims...most of whom didn't even KNOW they were victims.
The rule that the President of an organization has to spend a term on the board is very common among nonprofits. Learn the ropes before making changes based on kneejerk reactions to issues that they usually don't have all the background information about. Preventing "angry mob" takeovers of the organization, often for commercial gain. I was on the board of a small business chamber where a member was mad that a restaurant he owned wasn't selected as the caterer for the organization events. The guy paid the memberships of every employee, waiter, busboy, dishwasher that worked for him, all showed up, voted in 50% of the board with his flunkies, won an uncontested term as president, got himself listed as preferred caterer for ten years under a no bid contract...then he lost interest in the organization, and he and his new board members quit coming after a couple of months, so no quorum so we couldn't do any business. Then we got sued for not letting the other restauarants bid on the catering contract. Just about killed the organization. >>
My comment wasn't referencing the events of 30 years ago. It was referencing the past several years but while you're on that, the fact that they regularly had a certain grading company advertising in their magazine that was mailed out to ALL members while the stink was going on kind of disproves your point and validates mine, no?
You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make.
For a "Non Profit" there are some people making some nice "profit" and outright living from being employees.
<< <i>You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make. >>
There is nothing to justify. Requiring someone to serve two years first on the Board of Governors before they take over the gavel makes perfect sense. Each organization is different and the President should have a “working knowledge” of what – how- why the Board does things, so intelligent decisions can be made if there should be any changes.
I hope that each President has the goal of making sure the organization is in a better position when he hands the gavel over to his/her successor then when he/she received it.
<< <i>I DO hope Laura follows through on her statement that she WILL run for the ANA board in 2013, but that is a long way away. She has a major commitment to her coin business and I am sure that is #1 right now. Can anyone confirm that Laura attended any of the PUBLIC sessions of the ANA board this week in Pittsburgh? That would say something to me about her real commitment right now. ANY ANA board member needs to get "up to speed" about the real issues faceing our organization and attending open ANA board meetings is a good way to start. Steve
Why aren't these meetings video'd and put on youtube? Just like my local township town meetings are. Why should she have to travel to anywhere to see what happened at a meeting? It's 2011, not 1981
Why aren't the meetings webcast live where we, as paid members, can log in with our membership number and view them in real time?
Whether or not a few of you agree or not that's fine. I'm in agreement with whomever it was that didn't think a term as a governor should be a prerequisite to be President. Like I said...Gold Ole Boys Club......and I stand firmly by that.
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Why aren't the meetings webcast live where we, as paid members, can log in with our membership number and view them in real time?
Whether or not a few of you agree or not that's fine. I'm in agreement with whomever it was that didn't think a term as a governor should be a prerequisite to be President. Like I said...Gold Ole Boys Club......and I stand firmly by that. >>
Even better idea with the live thing. I like it.
I didn't see Laura there. I would be good for her to get a feel for what they have to endure.
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Why aren't the meetings webcast live where we, as paid members, can log in with our membership number and view them in real time?
Whether or not a few of you agree or not that's fine. I'm in agreement with whomever it was that didn't think a term as a governor should be a prerequisite to be President. Like I said...Gold Ole Boys Club......and I stand firmly by that. >>
Why don't you get a hold of CSPAN or CSPN2 and have them get right on it! Last I knew, the Board of Governor’s meetings were open to the public unless they go into "executive session”, so if it is that important to you ….. SHOW UP to the meeting.
I don’t want my dues being wasted buying the equipment and staff to produce a web video.
The town hall section of the meeting featured three questions:
1) A gentleman from the Red Rose Coin Club said the ANA board did the absolute right thing in its handling of the Larry Shepherd situation. Additionally, he listed several qualities needed in the next board which included "being in awe of being able to run the ANA" and "to realize he/she serves at the pleasure of the ANA Board of Governors".
2) There was a question (via twitter! -- yes, you can tweet questions to the ANA Board) requesting clarification of if clubs can share tables at an ANA convention. (Yes, two clubs can share one table)
3) Oded Paz (national club rep program leader) said members would like to know the details of the Larry Shepherd dismissal. Tom Hallenbeck replied that due to employment law, we are unable to provide any further details.
So much for the angry mobs ready to lecture the board...
Greg
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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<< <i>You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make. >>
There is nothing to justify. Requiring someone to serve two years first on the Board of Governors before they take over the gavel makes perfect sense. Each organization is different and the President should have a “working knowledge” of what – how- why the Board does things, so intelligent decisions can be made if there should be any changes.
I hope that each President has the goal of making sure the organization is in a better position when he hands the gavel over to his/her successor then when he/she received it. >>
Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member.
<< <i>I DO hope Laura follows through on her statement that she WILL run for the ANA board in 2013, but that is a long way away. She has a major commitment to her coin business and I am sure that is #1 right now. Can anyone confirm that Laura attended any of the PUBLIC sessions of the ANA board this week in Pittsburgh? That would say something to me about her real commitment right now. ANY ANA board member needs to get "up to speed" about the real issues faceing our organization and attending open ANA board meetings is a good way to start. Steve
Laura is going to follow through and run. Remember, I have one of the least good impression's of her but I will vote for her without hesitation. She's made it quite clear that this is something she will definitely follow-through on and run a very strong race.
<< <i>Seems to me that the only one who is providing us information about what is going on at the ANA board meeting in Pittsburgh is Greg. Thanks Greg. Steve
You're welcome. If anyone is curious what was on the agenda of the open session, the agenda is posted on the ANA website here.
A press release with the results of the session will be released this weekend, which I will post once it is released.
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<< <i>You can try and justify all you'd like about the president having to previously serve on the board but you merely come across looking like you're making the points a sitting board member would make. >>
There is nothing to justify. Requiring someone to serve two years first on the Board of Governors before they take over the gavel makes perfect sense. Each organization is different and the President should have a “working knowledge” of what – how- why the Board does things, so intelligent decisions can be made if there should be any changes.
I hope that each President has the goal of making sure the organization is in a better position when he hands the gavel over to his/her successor then when he/she received it. >>
Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member. >>
That’s right!
Let them serve on the Board of Governors first.
I take it that you don’t have the intestinal fortitude to run yourself for the Board. Beside stalking Greg L. it appears that you talk the garbage but you can’t walk the walk.
From what I heard and read about the ‘town hall’ form of meeting the Board of Governors held, there was no out cry for the heads of the Governors for the action taken with Mr. Shepherd like you have been calling for. I doubt that Mr. Shepherd would even consider running for the Board, he probably just wants the whole matter to go away and get on with his life.
<< <i>Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member. >>
I'm going to smack myself for feeding the trolls... but so be it...
There is A LOT I have learned about the ANA that the average, involved member does not know in the past two months that makes me realize just how much more I have to learn. Other than Larry Shepherd (who is ineligible to run in 2013), none of the individuals you mention know about the ANA budget that I've already learned.. just for starters.
"First Class Numismatists" -- including those you mention -- are great coin dealers. It does not mean they know everything about leading a $6 million per year non-profit.
To counter my nemisis' allegation, I will state flat out that I will not be running for ANA President or Vice President in 2013, as a two year term will not afford me enough experience to understand the complexities of running a multi-million dollar non-profit organization.
Additionally, I fully support the by-laws which require at least one term on the Board before becoming ANA President or Vice-President.
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Sit Ubu, sit.
Good boy.
The big dogs, IMHO, must be very happy to have such a trainable pup to follow their wagging tails.
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<< <i>Gosh, I guess numismatists like: Larry Shepherd, Warren Mills, Doug Winter, Harlan Berk, Julian, etc. just wouldn't have the knowledge to immediately offer to run and adequately serve as President or VP of the ANA, since they first had not served two years as a Board member, huh?
....but Greg Lyon would, in your opinion because he will have served two years? Please justify further your POV of how nationally respected, first-class numismatists, of which I have names but a few above, are less qualified than Mr. Lyon would be, because they have not served, previously as a Board member. >>
I'm going to smack myself for feeding the trolls... but so be it...
There is A LOT I have learned about the ANA that the average, involved member does not know in the past two months that makes me realize just how much more I have to learn. Other than Larry Shepherd (who is ineligible to run in 2013), none of the individuals you mention know about the ANA budget that I've already learned.. just for starters.
"First Class Numismatists" -- including those you mention -- are great coin dealers. It does not mean they know everything about leading a $6 million per year non-profit.
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How about you go to Baltimore and explain directly to: Julian, Warren, Harlan, Don Willis (if he's there), etc. and have you explain directly to them why you, with your upcoming two years on the ANA Board (despite your statement of non-candidacy) believe they are unqualified to run for President or VP of the ANA because they haven't served two years of "boot camp" as rookie ANA Board members, what do you say? I'll take your word on what they say in response to you as to whether they agree with you or not.
David Hall would be unqualified to be ANA President or Vice President because he hasn't been a Board member first, really?
I'd really love to hear you explain your opinion to Laura on this. If she could run, she'd win in a landslide and I think all the good old boys know this.
Gregg Bingham is one of the top collectors in the country. He's a highly successful private businessman as well, worth millions of dollars. He has a degree in economics. His political connections through over a decade in the NFL and meeting influential and powerful people, both in business and politics are wide spread. You don't think he could step right up and be President or VP of the ANA without two "learning" years on the ANA Board?
You really DO believe, don't you...IMHO, that these nationally known and vastly successful and highly well-respected numismatists, couldn't handle either office without spending two years first on the ANA board?
Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
Rather than continue to harass Greg (whom I have never met) and to make it even easier for you, here is the link to that page:
Contact the ANA BOG
By the way, have you ever spoken directly to the heavyweights you keep naming about running for the office? Are they interested? Can they / are they willing to devote the time and resources to such a task? I asked this several days ago but have not seen a response.
The only reason I re-joined the ANA was to get collector priveleges to CAC. Plain and simple.
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The only reason I re-joined the ANA was to get collector priveleges to CAC. Plain and simple. >>
I thought it was NGC that ANA members could direct submit to without joining NGC. Can we also now direct submit to CAC?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
A few months back, CAC was running a "Collector Member" special whereby non-dealers could apply for submitting rights. You needed to provide an ANA number and two references to apply. That offer has since expired, and I do not know if it will be offered again. Absent that offer, I would most likely not be an ANA member today.
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A few months back, CAC was running a "Collector Member" special whereby non-dealers could apply for submitting rights. You needed to provide an ANA number and two references to apply. That offer has since expired, and I do not know if it will be offered again. Absent that offer, I would most likely not be an ANA member today. >>
Thanks for clarification.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Over the years, you have made some excellent posts and points on this forum (including many that I agreed with and some that i did not) but whatever positive reputation that you have developed here has been squandered on your unrelentless, unprovoked, uncivil, and unprofessional attack on GregL. I think it is nothing short of disgraceful.
<< <i>Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
Over the years, you have made some excellent posts and points on this forum (including many that I agreed with and some that i did not) but whatever positive reputation that you have developed here has been squandered on your unrelentless, unprovoked, uncivil, and unprofessional attack on GregL. I think it is nothing short of disgraceful. >>
Here. Here.
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<< <i>The issue of needing to serve for two years in "boot camp" is clearly written in the rules. If you have a problem with that, have you attended one of the ANA meetings and raised your concerns in person? If travel to one of the meetings is not practical, have you used the relatively simple link on the ANA website to contact the Board of Govenors directly?
Rather than continue to harass Greg (whom I have never met) and to make it even easier for you, here is the link to that page:
Contact the ANA BOG
By the way, have you ever spoken directly to the heavyweights you keep naming about running for the office? Are they interested? Can they / are they willing to devote the time and resources to such a task? I asked this several days ago but have not seen a response. >>
I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO?
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I am not authorized to speak for anyone whose name has been raised. We already have Laura in the race and I don't think she will be the only "well-respected numismatist" in the race.
<< <i>Incredible, simply incredible...and I think incredibly stupid on your part.
Over the years, you have made some excellent posts and points on this forum (including many that I agreed with and some that i did not) but whatever positive reputation that you have developed here has been squandered on your unrelentless, unprovoked, uncivil, and unprofessional attack on GregL. I think it is nothing short of disgraceful. >>
Ask Greg to please respond to the two basic questions I've repeated asked him. That's all I'd like from him is for his "on the record" responses.
Greg first came here, predominantly IMHO, as an outsider looking for votes as other candidates have done in the past. Was he ever here before that in any significant way? Once the race became uncontested, did the tone and manner of his posts change? I believe they did but that's only my opinion and your mileage may vary.
I do not believe he shows what I think to be the requisite leadership or independence that someone in the position should have. Had the election been contested, he would not have received my vote and I don't think he would win a contested re-election bid in two years, particularly against the likes of people like Laura and, perhaps, some others of equal prominence and numismatic respect.
Regardless as one of *my* nine Board members, I've asked him two question to which he has not publicly responded.
1. Will he propose a bylaw change so as to permit former employees who have left ANA employment over a year and a day before the next election to run for the Board of Governors. If yes, when will he propose it? If no, why is he specifically against it?
2. Will he propose a bylaw change so as to permit any ANA member in good standing to run for President or Vice President without serving as a Governor for a term? If yes, when will he propose it. If not, how can he explain his view...keeping in mind that this requirement is actually stronger than that required to run for President or Vice President of the United States. Nowhere is it required that a Presidential candidate have served in elective office before running for Federal office. (Dwight Eisenhower was elected President without ever running for any office and Colin Powell likely would have also been elected without holding office, as examples). As the ANA is a Federally chartered organization, does he believe that the ANA should have more restrictive bylaws for executive offices than the U.S. Constitution requires for Federal offices (including Congress) that actually have oversight responsibilities on the ANA?
That's all I want to have him, as a Governor explain. I need not write the ANA Board. He's a Governor who has been here since he was a candidate. It seems to me that if he embraces openness and sunshine in governance, he'd take every opportunity to explain his position in detail.
Would he do so in Coin World if they asked him the same questions before the next election? If not, I will certainly respect his not doing so here. If he would though (and we all only have our own opinion as to whether any candidate would respond to questions from Coin World or Numismatic News, etc.) why wouldn't he respond to the same two questions from a constituent right here and right now?
Greg serves me just as he serves every other ANA member who frequents this PCGS sponsored message board. He may not like me but he still serves as one of my nine Governors. I may be the one holding his political feet to the fire on these two questions but I don't think I'm the only one who would like to read his specific, detailed and public explanations about them.
<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg
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<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg >>
Sorry, you have taken on public responsibilities which require your giving up a certain amount of your privacy in return for holding office and the public trust. I do not hold such a position and, as such, I do not have to give you any personal and private information. That has nothing to do with "step(ing) up to the plate." I stand by my statements whether you know my personal information or not.
That is, however, a convenient dodge IMHO, for you to avoid answering two simple questions which would result in my not mentioning either of them again. If you were to answer them, you would not hear from me again.
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<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg >>
Sorry, you have taken on public responsibilities which require your giving up a certain amount of your privacy in return for holding office and the public trust. I do not hold such a position and, as such, I do not have to give you any personal and private information. That has nothing to do with "step(ing) up to the plate." I stand by my statements whether you know my personal information or not.
That is, however, a convenient dodge IMHO, for you to avoid answering two simple questions which would result in my not mentioning either of them again. If you were to answer them, you would not hear from me again. >>
He's a volunteer, not a slave. I suggest you take your vendettas private because you are doing an excellent job polarizing people against your side, whatever that is.
I'll answer the questions for you. No, GregL will not propose those bylaw changes if for no other reason than he should not be intimidated and coerced to do so by some unrelentless crank on a message forum. Frankly, the bylaws, as they stand now, make good sense to me.
<< <i>tcmitssr is not even a member after all this? Not good
Who has, specifically, said that I am *not* a member of the ANA? I'd like to know their names and ANA membership numbers, if indeed they are ANA members as well. Please note, I don't mean any of that, at all, not one word of it. I do not have the right to that information (or want even the least little bit of it) or to require the disclosure of the same from anyone (I respect the complete and total privacy of everyone). Heck, if the ANA had its own message board that allowed pseudonyms, it would be irresponsible, if not illegal, for it to reveal anyone's personal information or ID number without that person's expressed written permission.
I am a member in good standing of the ANA. Several members of this PCGS message board know who I am but respect every individual's right to privacy with regards to their personal information. Would you, as a coin collector, want your name posted online, perhaps risking your safety and that of your loved ones by those who rob homes and stalk collectors leaving coin shows? Isn't part of the reason Coin World offers a plastic wrapped edition by mail to protect one's privacy and add to their personal safety?
It is everyone's individual judgement here, which I completely respect and honor, to keep their identities and personal information to themselves and those they specifically know and trust.
Going back to the ANA, even if I were not a member however....as a Federally chartered organization, as I am a U.S. citizen and a taxpayer, I would have the right to question a Governor of such an organization or to ask my Congressional members to do the same. That's why we have freedom of speech, a Bill of Rights and our Constitution.
If I have done anything that is improper in any way, I would expect to have received a private communication from Don, David or one of the PCGS leadership team requesting either my ceasing my actions, changing my methodology or banning me. That does not mean they, individually or corporately endorse or support my postings....only that I have not violated any of their rules for generously providing this place for all of our use.
I have not, to the best of my knowledge, engaged anyone who is not either a candidate or a Board Governor, in any way that is in line with how I have approached Governor Lyon and, maybe, one or two (over 10 years here, I can't completely remember) candidates or Governors who have posted here. They are people who have actively chosen to place themselves on a ballot for election and, IMHO, have a responsibility to answer questions from their membership, or as a Federally chartered institution, from anyone who is a U.S. citizen exercising his or her rights to publicly question the actions of the organization as well as its elected officials.
As one of the candidates in the 2007 election, I know all and well what Ms. Sperber will have to deal with in regards to campaigning. She will have to stand firm on whatever her platform might be. My advice to anyone who runs for any office in any organization, whether numismatic or not, is this - keep an open mind. Of all the ideas that are floating around, there is usually a good one just waiting to be used, in the right way.
That being said, if Ms. Sperber really decides to run in 2013, then the members of the ANA who yearn for change the same way she does will back her. There are those here on the CU foums who are endorsing her, and I am going to add my name as well.
In closing, there were some people who were asking me if I was running for the ANA Board this year, and I have stated that I am not going to run, and don't plan to run anytime soon. At the present time, Illinois numismatics is a bigger concern. Also, I am in the working stages of my upcoming camapaign for President of the Illinois Numismatic Association, which, as of last night (10/16), is now official through Facebook. I will have plenty to do in the coming months because of this campaign.
Sincerely,
Michael Doran (dorancoins)
<< <i>If Laura does run it will be with humility and out of a sense to help the hobby. >>
Laura is running, that's for sure. She also knows, despite our differences, that she has my vote. Whatever I think of Legend as to it's treatment of customers at coin shows, I know Laura would only do what's in the best interest of the numismatic community after she is elected.
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<< <i>I am not "harassing Greg," he serves as one of *my* Board of Directors as well as every member's of the ANA. So far he has yet to respond to two simple questions I have asked him. I've contacted him since he directly posts here and clearly indicates he is on the Board and wants feedback, or at least feedback on the crucial issues like Early Bird Admissions.
Why he won't respond to two, simple, frequently asked questions which would result in my getting "on the record" answers from him....maybe that's a question others should also ask of him, IMHO? >>
You have harassed me since my first post on running for the board... if you'd like I can repost that.
I'll offer you this challenge.. if you post your name and ANA membership number, I will answer your questions.
This is a two-way street.. you can be "Mr. Anonymous" or you can step up to the plate and stand by your statements.
Greg >>
Sorry, you have taken on public responsibilities which require your giving up a certain amount of your privacy in return for holding office and the public trust. I do not hold such a position and, as such, I do not have to give you any personal and private information. That has nothing to do with "step(ing) up to the plate." I stand by my statements whether you know my personal information or not.
That is, however, a convenient dodge IMHO, for you to avoid answering two simple questions which would result in my not mentioning either of them again. If you were to answer them, you would not hear from me again. >>
He's a volunteer, not a slave. I suggest you take your vendettas private because you are doing an excellent job polarizing people against your side, whatever that is.
I'll answer the questions for you. No, GregL will not propose those bylaw changes if for no other reason than he should not be intimidated and coerced to do so by some unrelentless crank on a message forum. Frankly, the bylaws, as they stand now, make good sense to me. >>
Has Greg authorized you to speak on his behalf? If not, why can't or won't he speak for himself?
If one person can "intimidate and coerce" a Board of Governors member "on a message forum," would you vote for that Governor to continue in office? OTOH, the entire matter can be forever be put to rest by providing his responses. This is not a private matter where the answers should be placed in confidence via PM, IMHO. Would you want a Governor to express his or her opinions in private but not in public, on the record?
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<< <i>Rather than edit my comment above, I will add this:
The only reason I re-joined the ANA was to get collector priveleges to CAC. Plain and simple. >>
I thought it was NGC that ANA members could direct submit to without joining NGC. Can we also now direct submit to CAC? >>
Anyone, until CAC recently closed its membership roster, could apply for direct submission purposes. Now, non-CAC members must follow whatever the procedures are for submission.