Excellent points. Laura would only have one vote and if she alienates the other governors there will be a lot of 5 to 1 votes on issues. There are too many big egos involved in ANA politics. >>
I believe you mean "a lot of 8 to 1 votes on issues". >>
I figured at least 3 would abstain rather than make Laura angry with them.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Thanks, Frank. I did email Kim Kiick and David Lighty about the missing links to the codes of ethics yesterday. Obviously, with it being a weekend, I don't expect a reply until Monday (perhaps later as many staff are in / on their way to Pittsburgh)
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>They might modify the bylaws so you have to be a member 6mos before you can vote, so sign up quick-------------------BigE >>
Actually, the by-laws voted in by the last board state that:
Individual members, 13 years of age or older as of March 31 of an election year and who have been members of the Association for at least one year of that date, shall be entitled to vote in any Association election.
So, to be eligible to vote in the 2013 election, you must be a member no later than March 31, 2012.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
She also reinforces a good point about trying to sell coins. >>
I do not like Laura. I think she is: rude, obnoxious, a difficult person to deal with, etc., and I've made my opinion well known in the past.
That said, SHE HAS MY VOTE AND WILL HAVE IT.
Let's start by replacing Mr. Lyon, and as many of the other current Board members, as can be swept out of office.
Now...let's get Don Willis, Warren Mills, Mike Printz, Harlan Berk and some others to run.
Pick off the newbies and the old guard, one by one....sweep them clean, just like four years ago. That includes whatever can be done to prevent Walter from becoming President. After what he went through, personally, he disappoints me, most of all, from all of the current Board.
I can only hope this is the beginning of a "Larry endorsed slate."
(someone start a countdown clock until the next election!)
If I'm Scott or Greg, I'm starting to figure out how to beat the other right now because if Laura's the only non-Board member to win, one of them will be heading out the door, IMHO!
<< <i>I'd like to see Laura attend Board meetings between now and when the elections are held in 2013. If someone is serious on running, I'd hope they are willing to learn what items are before the board and the time commitment before possibly getting elected.
Greg >>
That's going to be your campaign? "Laura didn't come to Board meetings, re-elect me?"
Please....run on that one! Even people like me, who can't stand Laura, ***WILL*** vote for her over anyone on the current Board.
Let's get "The Shepherd Slate" up and running, long before the next election.
Quack, quack - the sounds of lame duck Board members.
<< <i>Were a board of any functioning collecting group to actuall ask its board members how they felt on the plethora of issues standing before them, BEFORE they make a decision, would stagger the membership. I'm not saying ask for approval to do their job, but just to see if they are acting in accordance with the will of the majority of members. This may be interesting. Jim >>
Jim --
The ANA Board would love to get more input from members.
Outside of this forum, I have had a grand total of six ANA members contact me since joining the Board in August -- four of whom were commenting or asking questions regarding Larry Shepherd. While running for the board, I had another two people contact me. This is with my email address on my campaign literature and now having my email address, mailing address and phone number on the ANA website.
Agendas for board meetings are posted on the ANA website. (This has not always been done promptly in the past, but I am going to ensure it does going forward.) The one for Pittsburgh is posted here. Obviously, there are certain matters which are not open to the membership (awards -- other than nominations, contracts, personnel matters and some legal matters), but barring a valid reason for covering something in executive session, the membership knows what is up for discussion.
During our September teleconference, the topic of reinstituting early bird badges was raised. As this is a very opinionated topic -- both in favor and against -- the decision was to seek outside input (from the ANA Advisory Council, members and dealers) before making a hasty decision.
If there is a specific topic, you don't believe input from the membership is taken on, I'd love to hear from you (and any other member).
Greg >>
Here's a specific topic.
Amend the by-laws so that a previous ANA employee who leaves employment more than a year before the next election, can run for the Board in the next election.
(I seriously doubt you will EVER consider putting that one forward).
I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. In fact, I think positions of responsibility within the organization should be filled by collectors, not dealers. And the selections to fill those positions should be based more on your accomplishments outside of numismatics than within.
Being a successful coin dealer is no small accomplishment, but it doesn't tell me much about your ability to lead a nonprofit organization dedicated to education and public awareness, and which serves the academic community, collectors and the general public.
<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. >>
Actually, this used to be part of the by-laws up until (I believe the late 70s / early 80s).
Having said that, I don't think it is the best thing for the ANA. Walking the bourse floor in Sacramento and talking with almost every dealer, I learned just how many different opinions the dealer community has about the ANA -- early bird badges, bourse layout, convention locations, etc. With convention revenues making up about 60% of our budget, ensure dealers are happy and want to keep coming to ANA conventions is critical. The current board members who are dealers (Tom Hallenbeck, Jeff Garrett and Gary Adkins) all care greatly for the best interests of the ANA and have a different viewpoint that a collector / hobbyist may not.
Would I like to see the ANA Board comprised entirely of dealers? No. But, I don't see that ever happening. Why? Two reasons:
There is a large section of ANA members who would never vote for a board entirely comprised of dealers.
There are not very many dealers willing to make the time commitment to serve on the board, including numerous meetings during bourse hours.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>They might modify the bylaws so you have to be a member 6mos before you can vote, so sign up quick-------------------BigE >>
Actually, the by-laws voted in by the last board state that:
Individual members, 13 years of age or older as of March 31 of an election year and who have been members of the Association for at least one year of that date, shall be entitled to vote in any Association election.
So, to be eligible to vote in the 2013 election, you must be a member no later than March 31, 2012.
Greg >>
Greg, Please check this new by-law as far as INTENT. I believe the purpose of this by-law is to allow 13 year olds to vote. The by-law sets the date as March 31 of an election year as the cut-off to determine age requirement. That is, a member who is 13 years old on March 31 of an election year is eligible to vote in that years election. A member who is NOT 13 years old on March 31 of an election year is NOT eligible to vote in that years election. To me, that was the intent of that by-law.
The second part of the by-law seems to imply that if an adult person joins the ANA he MUST wait at least 18 months to cast a vote. He may have to wait 42 months to cast a vote if he happens to join the ANA in April of an election year. That makes NO sense to me and I am sure it was NOT the intent of the ANA board to do this. It is the WORDING of the by-law that needs fixing.
Please check on this and let us know what the true intent of the board is. I think any adult who joins the ANA and pays his dues should be entitled to vote in the next election, particularly since we will have on-line voting next cycle. (unless the board has scrapped that).
<< <i>The second part of the by-law seems to imply that if an adult person joins the ANA he MUST wait at least 18 months to cast a vote. He may have to wait 42 months to cast a vote if he happens to join the ANA in April of an election year. That makes NO sense to me and I am sure it was NOT the intent of the ANA board to do this. It is the WORDING of the by-law that needs fixing.
Please check on this and let us know what the true intent of the board is. I think any adult who joins the ANA and pays his dues should be entitled to vote in the next election, particularly since we will have on-line voting next cycle. (unless the board has scrapped that). >>
However, I think it is clear that the intent was to require membership of at least one year prior to March 31. Reading the article (which was published in The Numismatist and is accessible here), it clearly states that "Membership of at least one year as of March 31 of the election year is required in order to vote" (Page 2, Article VI, 2nd bulletpoint).
My guess is that this is to prevent a candidate from signing up lots of people at the last minute to "stuff the ballot box". Assuming Doug Andrews is in Pittsburgh this week, I will ask him as he chaired the By-Laws committee under Cliff Mischler that made this set of revisions. If not, I will talk to Cliff to get a better understanding of the intent of this provision. (I was not on the board when this was passed, although I did sit in part of the Sacramento board meeting where it was discussed. I don't recall if this section was discussed while I was present or not. I am not aware of any member feedback to the Board regarding this provision.)
As for on-line voting, I don't know how closely it has been looked into yet. The by-laws now permit it provided an acceptable secure system is identified to be used.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. >>
Actually, this used to be part of the by-laws up until (I believe the late 70s / early 80s).
Having said that, I don't think it is the best thing for the ANA.
And herein lies just one example of the problem's with the board. They do not actively listen to it's membership, and as you admittedly stated, will likely vote their/your own agenda.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
While I will support Laura for the ANA board, I am doing so on its own merits.
As far as many other board members, I will reserve judgment as I still do not understand what happened regarding the board's decision to remove of Larry Shepard.
Of course, anyone who knows the REAL story can feel free to pm me.
<< <i>And herein lies just one example of the problem's with the board. They do not actively listen to it's membership, and as you admittedly stated, will likely vote their/your own agenda. >>
I'm a bit confused. My comment was that dealers should be allowed to run. If members decide they don't want dealers to be on the ANA board, they have the right to exercize their vote in that manner. I don't see how that is "my own agenda."
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
<< <i>Mr tcmitssr you need to ease up on the venom throttle. It's vey unbecoming. MJ >>
I think my statement of support for Laura is strong enough to show my commitment to voting as many of the current Board out, beginning with Mr. Lyon.
Notice, btw, how he answered many questions about bylaws except mine?
***Will he propose a bylaw change so that any ANA employee who ceases employment a year before the next election is able to run in that next election?***
Yes or no, Mr. Lyon. If not, why not?
I'm sure many future voters, and possibly candidates, will be interested in your answers.
P.S. Anyone interested, since the ANA is Federally chartered, please consider writing your House Representative and Senators to consider beginning an investigation into how the ANA conducts its business. Let's put as much as possible into the open and let the sunshine in.
------------------------- Greg Lyon ANA Board of Governors 2011-2013
The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
I thought PCGS only allowed ONE tag line? It looks like the newest ANA Board member has FIVE... I think I'll run for the ANA Board so I can have five lines too!
tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. In fact, I think positions of responsibility within the organization should be filled by collectors, not dealers. And the selections to fill those positions should be based more on your accomplishments outside of numismatics than within.
Being a successful coin dealer is no small accomplishment, but it doesn't tell me much about your ability to lead a nonprofit organization dedicated to education and public awareness, and which serves the academic community, collectors and the general public. >>
GregL. Please re-read the above reply to which you replied to with an opinion in opposition. Please do feel free to correct me if I had mis-read your reply.
<< <i>And herein lies just one example of the problem's with the board. They do not actively listen to it's membership, and as you admittedly stated, will likely vote their/your own agenda. >>
I'm a bit confused. My comment was that dealers should be allowed to run. If members decide they don't want dealers to be on the ANA board, they have the right to exercize their vote in that manner. I don't see how that is "my own agenda."
<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. >>
Actually, this used to be part of the by-laws up until (I believe the late 70s / early 80s).
Having said that, I don't think it is the best thing for the ANA. Greg >>
Laura has good ideas - just hope she has the patience to endure the process.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
However, I think it is clear that the intent was to require membership of at least one year prior to March 31. Reading the article (which was published in The Numismatist and is accessible here), it clearly states that "Membership of at least one year as of March 31 of the election year is required in order to vote" (Page 2, Article VI, 2nd bulletpoint).
My guess is that this is to prevent a candidate from signing up lots of people at the last minute to "stuff the ballot box". Assuming Doug Andrews is in Pittsburgh this week, I will ask him as he chaired the By-Laws committee under Cliff Mischler that made this set of revisions. If not, I will talk to Cliff to get a better understanding of the intent of this provision. (I was not on the board when this was passed, although I did sit in part of the Sacramento board meeting where it was discussed. I don't recall if this section was discussed while I was present or not. I am not aware of any member feedback to the Board regarding this provision.)
As for on-line voting, I don't know how closely it has been looked into yet. The by-laws now permit it provided an acceptable secure system is identified to be used.
Greg >>
It might be helpful if those here who don't appreciate the opportunity that Greg gives us to comment on the ANA to a current member of the Board of Governors to at least tone down the retoric. I do believe that Greg is open to reasonable discussion and I'm going to talk further about the member's right to vote. I do not recall what the old by-laws said about how long a dues paying member had to wait until he could vote in a bi-annual election of the ANA board. I, like many or most other ANA members have not paid enough attention to the details of the new by-laws. Enough publicity was given to the fact that voting rights would be extended to 13 year olds, but linking this to a new arbitrary March 31st date + one year of membership in order to vote seems too much to me. We obviously have a large annual turnover in membership and retaining members and adding new members has been a big challenge for years. It seems obvious to me that if we recruit new members and tell them they will have to pay at least two years of ANA dues in order to have any say in who represents them on the ANA board it will be a big negative. It is easy to say "who cares". Most members don't vote anyway. The leadership has created another barrier to allowing the members to vote their choices freely and fairly in the next election. It does appear that under the new by-laws if you are NOT a dues paid member by March 31st, 2012 (less than six months from now) you will NOT be allowed to vote in June/July, 2013 for the next board. I disagree with Greg that the provision might prevent ballot stuffing. Let's face it, there just aren't enough ANA potential members to ballot stuff anything. Steve
<< <i>tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ >>
He can, publicly, explain his position...clearly and in detail, as to where he stands as a Director on two issues:
1. Will he propose a bylaw change so a former employee may run for the Board, if that employee leaves the employment of the ANA one year and one day before the next election?
2. Why must the ANA President and VP have been Board Members first? Does he realize that it's harder to be elected to these offices than to be elected President and VP of the United States as a result. All that's needed for those two positions are: being 35 or older, being natural born American citizens, not being convicted felons (and that one is open to interpretation).
Let Mr. Lyon, clearly express his opinions on these two issues and he'll have no further issues with me. I simply want him on the public record as to these two issues. He, of course, has the Constitutional right which I respect, to not answer or respond in any way.
I will find out the reasons for the by-law changes and will post here once I do.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
This will be my one and only post in reference to tcmitssr --
Herb Kelleher, former CEO of Southwest Airlines, said in the book "Nuts" that the customer isn't always right. That there is a certain subset of customers who, no matter what the company did, they would always be unhappy and - that efforts to please them would distract from the overall customer experience for everyone else.
After looking at tcmirssr's comments towards me, I realise he is in that category. From my first post, he has been vehemently negative. That is his choice. But I can no longer waste my time against a negative influence.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
Draft Don Willis, Warren Mills, Harlan Berk, Larry Printz, Doug Winter etc.
ANYBODY BUT ANYONE ON THE CURRENT BOARD!!!11 >>
So, tcmitssr, have YOU run for the board yet? You have complained about the current board enough that you SHOULD be running. If you aren't, then why not? More fun to complain while others do the work? I do not know 1 single person, in-person, that was on the old board, nor the new one (although I have met, but still don't consider it "knowing" Walter Ostromecki...though I do have respect for him the times I have met him), so I am not doing saying anything to protect others, etc.......I just dislike hearing complaint after complaint from armchair quarterbacks who don't try to change things themselves.
<< <i>1. Will he propose a bylaw change so a former employee may run for the Board, if that employee leaves the employment of the ANA one year and one day before the next election?
2. Why must the ANA President and VP have been Board Members first? Does he realize that it's harder to be elected to these offices than to be elected President and VP of the United States as a result. All that's needed for those two positions are: being 35 or older, being natural born American citizens, not being convicted felons (and that one is open to interpretation).
Let Mr. Lyon, clearly express his opinions on these two issues and he'll have no further issues with me. I simply want him on the public record as to these two issues. He, of course, has the Constitutional right which I respect, to not answer or respond in any way. >>
First off, I can't believe anyone would actually believe what you wrote about how much easier it is to become elected as President of the United States and VP as well.....Really, do you believe that? Are you over 35, a natural born citizen and haven't been a convicted felon? If so, then YOU go become POTUS and show us how easy it is.....sheesh
I also don't believe that, if GregL chooses to NOT answer your questions that way you want, and uses his "Constitutional right", as you call it, that you would respect that. You have already proven you don't respect it by badgering.
<< <i>tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ >>
Laura should run if she is really interested in serving the A.N.A. She would bring a positive and fresh prospective to the organization.
Tcmistssr appears to be angry at life in general. I would have to agree, any response Mr. Lyons would make to him would just be meet with venom. Mr. Tcmistssr is acting like the “preverbal five year old; if I can’t have my way I’ll take my toys and go home”.
Tcmistssr appears to be jealous because he feels left out of the loop about the reasoning for the termination of employment for Mr. Shepherd, he needs to grow up and get over it. I’m sure Mr. Shepherd is a “big boy” and he doesn’t need the playground bully fighting for him.
As far as calling for the current Board of Governors to resign and run for re-election, is just more childish demands. The Board of Governors have made their decision, and I’ve not heard anything constructive or that has merit to make me believe that they (the Board of Governors) were not acting in the “best interest” of the A.N.A..
Mr. Lyons, please just ignore the ranting of this fool and remember ………..
<< <i>tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ >>
Laura should run if she is really interested in serving the A.N.A. She would bring a positive and fresh prospective to the organization.
Tcmistssr appears to be angry at life in general. I would have to agree, any response Mr. Lyons would make to him would just be meet with venom. Mr. Tcmistssr is acting like the “preverbal five year old; if I can’t have my way I’ll take my toys and go home”.
Tcmistssr appears to be jealous because he feels left out of the loop about the reasoning for the termination of employment for Mr. Shepherd, he needs to grow up and get over it. I’m sure Mr. Shepherd is a “big boy” and he doesn’t need the playground bully fighting for him.
As far as calling for the current Board of Governors to resign and run for re-election, is just more childish demands. The Board of Governors have made their decision, and I’ve not heard anything constructive or that has merit to make me believe that they (the Board of Governors) were not acting in the “best interest” of the A.N.A..
Then let's hope that Larry retains a super law firm, strong in tort and contract law, and sue the heck out of the ANA, and yes...I am a member of it.
Mr. Lyons, please just ignore the ranting of this fool and remember ………..
Hardly the fool, more like the investigative reporter from 60 Minutes who shows up on your doorstep and walks you, to and from everywhere you go when you leave the building.
I'm not jealous of anything. If you choose to accept what Mr. Lyon is stating as both sufficient and adequate to answer any or all of your questions that's your right.
As for what I wrote, he said that it's important to have the experience of being a Board member prior to being Pres or VP of the ANA. We have no such requirement that a President of the U.S. have served in Congress or ever been elected to any prior office. We have the simple, statuatory minimum requirements I stated. Colin Powell would easily have been elected in a 20 year period without ever having held any elective office prior. Yet, if he were an ANA member, he couldn't run for President unless he first served as a Board member. That's simply stupid.
Hardly. Let Greg answer the two specific questions I've posed to him, "on the record," so to speak...and I'll be fine with that.
Something needs to be done about the problems facing the hobby and it will require dealers and the ANA to address them. It seems to me that if Laura is willing to put in the effort she deserves everyone's support. Anyone willing to take on the the forces working against the hobby deserves our support.
She has my vote - She has dedicated her life and works 24/7 regarding the industry/hobby. Passionate and knowledgeable. I'm sure her changes would be a benefit, whateve they may be.
the only explanation for the President having to serve on the board prior to would be to keep it somewhat under their control who runs and does not.
aka Good Old Boys Network.
I'd still like to know where the money went for the people regarding the ACG Suit..............and asking and writing people at the ANA back when I did was the equivalent of trying to get a simple answer out of a politician.
The ANA appears at least to me to have had absolutely Zero concern for collectors with their focus solely on the almighty $.
I'm no Laura Lapdog but do think that she would be a vocal member on the board that could turn the tide for the ANA.
Goose3's post jogged my memory; I'd forgotten about that whole ACG thing and would also like to know what happened. As to having Laura on the board...the ANA could do a lot worse. We need more people on the board who understand the business as well as the hobby. The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors.
<< <i>the only explanation for the President having to serve on the board prior to would be to keep it somewhat under their control who runs and does not.
aka Good Old Boys Network.
I'd still like to know where the money went for the people regarding the ACG Suit..............and asking and writing people at the ANA back when I did was the equivalent of trying to get a simple answer out of a politician.
The ANA appears at least to me to have had absolutely Zero concern for collectors with their focus solely on the almighty $.
I'm no Laura Lapdog but do think that she would be a vocal member on the board that could turn the tide for the ANA.
FWIW I am a Life Member. >>
Your comment that the ANA has zero concern for the collector is wrong. The ANA started ANACS, the first grading and authenication service, when altered, whizzed, fake and overgraded coins were the NORM in the market, and there was no recourse for victims...most of whom didn't even KNOW they were victims.
The rule that the President of an organization has to spend a term on the board is very common among nonprofits. Learn the ropes before making changes based on kneejerk reactions to issues that they usually don't have all the background information about. Preventing "angry mob" takeovers of the organization, often for commercial gain. I was on the board of a small business chamber where a member was mad that a restaurant he owned wasn't selected as the caterer for the organization events. The guy paid the memberships of every employee, waiter, busboy, dishwasher that worked for him, all showed up, voted in 50% of the board with his flunkies, won an uncontested term as president, got himself listed as preferred caterer for ten years under a no bid contract...then he lost interest in the organization, and he and his new board members quit coming after a couple of months, so no quorum so we couldn't do any business. Then we got sued for not letting the other restauarants bid on the catering contract. Just about killed the organization.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i> The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked....
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
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Excellent points. Laura would only have one vote and if she alienates the other governors there will be a lot of 5 to 1 votes on issues. There are too many big egos involved in ANA politics. >>
I believe you mean "a lot of 8 to 1 votes on issues". >>
I figured at least 3 would abstain rather than make Laura angry with them.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I wish more dealers would run also.
The ANA is nothing without the dealers.
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
<< <i>I look at these every few weeks or so, and them seem to still be at my old bookmarks.
Charter and Bylaws
Member code of Ethics
Dealer Code of Ethics >>
Thanks, Frank. I did email Kim Kiick and David Lighty about the missing links to the codes of ethics yesterday. Obviously, with it being a weekend, I don't expect a reply until Monday (perhaps later as many staff are in / on their way to Pittsburgh)
Greg
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
<< <i>They might modify the bylaws so you have to be a member 6mos before you can vote, so sign up quick
Actually, the by-laws voted in by the last board state that:
Individual members, 13 years of age or older as of March 31 of an election year and who have been members of the Association for at least one year of that date, shall be entitled to vote in any Association election.
So, to be eligible to vote in the 2013 election, you must be a member no later than March 31, 2012.
Greg
<< <i>Sorry, MJ, I scooped you on this one.
Laura certainly has my vote and support.
She also reinforces a good point about trying to sell coins. >>
I do not like Laura. I think she is: rude, obnoxious, a difficult person to deal with, etc., and I've made my opinion well known in the past.
That said, SHE HAS MY VOTE AND WILL HAVE IT.
Let's start by replacing Mr. Lyon, and as many of the other current Board members, as can be swept out of office.
Now...let's get Don Willis, Warren Mills, Mike Printz, Harlan Berk and some others to run.
Pick off the newbies and the old guard, one by one....sweep them clean, just like four years ago. That includes whatever can be done to prevent Walter from becoming President. After what he went through, personally, he disappoints me, most of all, from all of the current Board.
I can only hope this is the beginning of a "Larry endorsed slate."
(someone start a countdown clock until the next election!)
<< <i>She's talking about CHANGE - Uh Oh! >>
If I'm Scott or Greg, I'm starting to figure out how to beat the other right now because if Laura's the only non-Board member to win, one of them will be heading out the door, IMHO!
<< <i>I'd like to see Laura attend Board meetings between now and when the elections are held in 2013. If someone is serious on running, I'd hope they are willing to learn what items are before the board and the time commitment before possibly getting elected.
Greg >>
That's going to be your campaign? "Laura didn't come to Board meetings, re-elect me?"
Please....run on that one! Even people like me, who can't stand Laura, ***WILL*** vote for her over anyone on the current Board.
Let's get "The Shepherd Slate" up and running, long before the next election.
Quack, quack - the sounds of lame duck Board members.
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<< <i>Were a board of any functioning collecting group to actuall ask its board members how they felt on the plethora of issues standing before them, BEFORE they make a decision, would stagger the membership. I'm not saying ask for approval to do their job, but just to see if they are acting in accordance with the will of the majority of members. This may be interesting.
Jim >>
Jim --
The ANA Board would love to get more input from members.
Outside of this forum, I have had a grand total of six ANA members contact me since joining the Board in August -- four of whom were commenting or asking questions regarding Larry Shepherd. While running for the board, I had another two people contact me. This is with my email address on my campaign literature and now having my email address, mailing address and phone number on the ANA website.
Agendas for board meetings are posted on the ANA website. (This has not always been done promptly in the past, but I am going to ensure it does going forward.) The one for Pittsburgh is posted here. Obviously, there are certain matters which are not open to the membership (awards -- other than nominations, contracts, personnel matters and some legal matters), but barring a valid reason for covering something in executive session, the membership knows what is up for discussion.
During our September teleconference, the topic of reinstituting early bird badges was raised. As this is a very opinionated topic -- both in favor and against -- the decision was to seek outside input (from the ANA Advisory Council, members and dealers) before making a hasty decision.
If there is a specific topic, you don't believe input from the membership is taken on, I'd love to hear from you (and any other member).
Greg >>
Here's a specific topic.
Amend the by-laws so that a previous ANA employee who leaves employment more than a year before the next election, can run for the Board in the next election.
(I seriously doubt you will EVER consider putting that one forward).
Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry,
<< <i>She has my vote.
I wish more dealers would run also.
The ANA is nothing without the dealers. >>
Draft Don Willis, Warren Mills, Harlan Berk, Larry Printz, Doug Winter etc.
ANYBODY BUT ANYONE ON THE CURRENT BOARD!!!11
Being a successful coin dealer is no small accomplishment, but it doesn't tell me much about your ability to lead a nonprofit organization dedicated to education and public awareness, and which serves the academic community, collectors and the general public.
<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. >>
Actually, this used to be part of the by-laws up until (I believe the late 70s / early 80s).
Having said that, I don't think it is the best thing for the ANA. Walking the bourse floor in Sacramento and talking with almost every dealer, I learned just how many different opinions the dealer community has about the ANA -- early bird badges, bourse layout, convention locations, etc. With convention revenues making up about 60% of our budget, ensure dealers are happy and want to keep coming to ANA conventions is critical. The current board members who are dealers (Tom Hallenbeck, Jeff Garrett and Gary Adkins) all care greatly for the best interests of the ANA and have a different viewpoint that a collector / hobbyist may not.
Would I like to see the ANA Board comprised entirely of dealers? No. But, I don't see that ever happening. Why? Two reasons:
There is a large section of ANA members who would never vote for a board entirely comprised of dealers.
There are not very many dealers willing to make the time commitment to serve on the board, including numerous meetings during bourse hours.
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<< <i>They might modify the bylaws so you have to be a member 6mos before you can vote, so sign up quick
Actually, the by-laws voted in by the last board state that:
Individual members, 13 years of age or older as of March 31 of an election year and who have been members of the Association for at least one year of that date, shall be entitled to vote in any Association election.
So, to be eligible to vote in the 2013 election, you must be a member no later than March 31, 2012.
Greg >>
Greg,
Please check this new by-law as far as INTENT. I believe the purpose of this by-law is to allow 13 year olds to vote. The by-law sets the date as March 31 of an election year as the cut-off to determine age requirement. That is, a member who is 13 years old on March 31 of an election year is eligible to vote in that years election. A member who is NOT 13 years old on March 31 of an election year is NOT eligible to vote in that years election. To me, that was the intent of that by-law.
The second part of the by-law seems to imply that if an adult person joins the ANA he MUST wait at least 18 months to cast a vote. He may have to wait 42 months to cast a vote if he happens to join the ANA in April of an election year. That makes NO sense to me and I am sure it was NOT the intent of the ANA board to do this. It is the WORDING of the by-law that needs fixing.
Please check on this and let us know what the true intent of the board is. I think any adult who joins the ANA and pays his dues should be entitled to vote in the next election, particularly since we will have on-line voting next cycle. (unless the board has scrapped that).
Thanks,
Steve
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<< <i>The second part of the by-law seems to imply that if an adult person joins the ANA he MUST wait at least 18 months to cast a vote. He may have to wait 42 months to cast a vote if he happens to join the ANA in April of an election year. That makes NO sense to me and I am sure it was NOT the intent of the ANA board to do this. It is the WORDING of the by-law that needs fixing.
Please check on this and let us know what the true intent of the board is. I think any adult who joins the ANA and pays his dues should be entitled to vote in the next election, particularly since we will have on-line voting next cycle. (unless the board has scrapped that). >>
However, I think it is clear that the intent was to require membership of at least one year prior to March 31. Reading the article (which was published in The Numismatist and is accessible here), it clearly states that "Membership of at least one year as of March 31 of the election year is required in order to vote" (Page 2, Article VI, 2nd bulletpoint).
My guess is that this is to prevent a candidate from signing up lots of people at the last minute to "stuff the ballot box". Assuming Doug Andrews is in Pittsburgh this week, I will ask him as he chaired the By-Laws committee under Cliff Mischler that made this set of revisions. If not, I will talk to Cliff to get a better understanding of the intent of this provision. (I was not on the board when this was passed, although I did sit in part of the Sacramento board meeting where it was discussed. I don't recall if this section was discussed while I was present or not. I am not aware of any member feedback to the Board regarding this provision.)
As for on-line voting, I don't know how closely it has been looked into yet. The by-laws now permit it provided an acceptable secure system is identified to be used.
Greg
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<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. >>
Actually, this used to be part of the by-laws up until (I believe the late 70s / early 80s).
Having said that, I don't think it is the best thing for the ANA.
And herein lies just one example of the problem's with the board. They do not actively listen to it's membership, and as you admittedly stated, will likely vote their/your own agenda.
You need to ease up on the venom throttle IMO. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
As far as many other board members, I will reserve judgment as I still do not understand what happened regarding the board's decision to remove of Larry Shepard.
Of course, anyone who knows the REAL story can feel free to pm me.
<< <i>And herein lies just one example of the problem's with the board. They do not actively listen to it's membership, and as you admittedly stated, will likely vote their/your own agenda. >>
I'm a bit confused. My comment was that dealers should be allowed to run. If members decide they don't want dealers to be on the ANA board, they have the right to exercize their vote in that manner. I don't see how that is "my own agenda."
Greg
<< <i>Mr tcmitssr you need to ease up on the venom throttle. It's vey unbecoming. MJ >>
I think my statement of support for Laura is strong enough to show my commitment to voting as many of the current Board out, beginning with Mr. Lyon.
Notice, btw, how he answered many questions about bylaws except mine?
***Will he propose a bylaw change so that any ANA employee who ceases employment a year before the next election is able to run in that next election?***
Yes or no, Mr. Lyon. If not, why not?
I'm sure many future voters, and possibly candidates, will be interested in your answers.
P.S. Anyone interested, since the ANA is Federally chartered, please consider writing your House Representative and Senators to consider beginning an investigation into how the ANA conducts its business. Let's put as much as possible into the open and let the sunshine in.
HAPPY TO VOTE FOR LAURA FOR THE BOARD!!!!!
Greg Lyon
ANA Board of Governors 2011-2013
The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
I thought PCGS only allowed ONE tag line? It looks like the newest ANA Board member has FIVE... I think I'll run for the ANA Board so I can have five lines too!
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. In fact, I think positions of responsibility within the organization should be filled by collectors, not dealers. And the selections to fill those positions should be based more on your accomplishments outside of numismatics than within.
Being a successful coin dealer is no small accomplishment, but it doesn't tell me much about your ability to lead a nonprofit organization dedicated to education and public awareness, and which serves the academic community, collectors and the general public. >>
GregL. Please re-read the above reply to which you replied to with an opinion in opposition. Please do feel free to correct me if I had mis-read your reply.
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<< <i>And herein lies just one example of the problem's with the board. They do not actively listen to it's membership, and as you admittedly stated, will likely vote their/your own agenda. >>
I'm a bit confused. My comment was that dealers should be allowed to run. If members decide they don't want dealers to be on the ANA board, they have the right to exercize their vote in that manner. I don't see how that is "my own agenda."
Greg >>
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<< <i>I think that people elected to leadership positions within the ANA should be prohibited from being active dealers during their term in office. >>
Actually, this used to be part of the by-laws up until (I believe the late 70s / early 80s).
Having said that, I don't think it is the best thing for the ANA.
Greg >>
She definately has my vote!
K
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However, I think it is clear that the intent was to require membership of at least one year prior to March 31. Reading the article (which was published in The Numismatist and is accessible here), it clearly states that "Membership of at least one year as of March 31 of the election year is required in order to vote" (Page 2, Article VI, 2nd bulletpoint).
My guess is that this is to prevent a candidate from signing up lots of people at the last minute to "stuff the ballot box". Assuming Doug Andrews is in Pittsburgh this week, I will ask him as he chaired the By-Laws committee under Cliff Mischler that made this set of revisions. If not, I will talk to Cliff to get a better understanding of the intent of this provision. (I was not on the board when this was passed, although I did sit in part of the Sacramento board meeting where it was discussed. I don't recall if this section was discussed while I was present or not. I am not aware of any member feedback to the Board regarding this provision.)
As for on-line voting, I don't know how closely it has been looked into yet. The by-laws now permit it provided an acceptable secure system is identified to be used.
Greg >>
It might be helpful if those here who don't appreciate the opportunity that Greg gives us to comment on the ANA to a current member of the Board of Governors to at least tone down the retoric. I do believe that Greg is open to reasonable discussion and I'm going to talk further about the member's right to vote. I do not recall what the old by-laws said about how long a dues paying member had to wait until he could vote in a bi-annual election of the ANA board. I, like many or most other ANA members have not paid enough attention to the details of the new by-laws. Enough publicity was given to the fact that voting rights would be extended to 13 year olds, but linking this to a new arbitrary March 31st date + one year of membership in order to vote seems too much to me. We obviously have a large annual turnover in membership and retaining members and adding new members has been a big challenge for years. It seems obvious to me that if we recruit new members and tell them they will have to pay at least two years of ANA dues in order to have any say in who represents them on the ANA board it will be a big negative. It is easy to say "who cares". Most members don't vote anyway. The leadership has created another barrier to allowing the members to vote their choices freely and fairly in the next election. It does appear that under the new by-laws if you are NOT a dues paid member by March 31st, 2012 (less than six months from now) you will NOT be allowed to vote in June/July, 2013 for the next board. I disagree with Greg that the provision might prevent ballot stuffing. Let's face it, there just aren't enough ANA potential members to ballot stuff anything. Steve
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<< <i>tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ >>
He can, publicly, explain his position...clearly and in detail, as to where he stands as a Director on two issues:
1. Will he propose a bylaw change so a former employee may run for the Board, if that employee leaves the employment of the ANA one year and one day before the next election?
2. Why must the ANA President and VP have been Board Members first? Does he realize that it's harder to be elected to these offices than to be elected President and VP of the United States as a result. All that's needed for those two positions are: being 35 or older, being natural born American citizens, not being convicted felons (and that one is open to interpretation).
Let Mr. Lyon, clearly express his opinions on these two issues and he'll have no further issues with me. I simply want him on the public record as to these two issues. He, of course, has the Constitutional right which I respect, to not answer or respond in any way.
I will find out the reasons for the by-law changes and will post here once I do.
Greg
Herb Kelleher, former CEO of Southwest Airlines, said in the book "Nuts" that the customer isn't always right. That there is a certain subset of customers who, no matter what the company did, they would always be unhappy and - that efforts to please them would distract from the overall customer experience for everyone else.
After looking at tcmirssr's comments towards me, I realise he is in that category. From my first post, he has been vehemently negative. That is his choice. But I can no longer waste my time against a negative influence.
Greg
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<< <i>She has my vote.
I wish more dealers would run also.
The ANA is nothing without the dealers. >>
Draft Don Willis, Warren Mills, Harlan Berk, Larry Printz, Doug Winter etc.
ANYBODY BUT ANYONE ON THE CURRENT BOARD!!!11 >>
So, tcmitssr, have YOU run for the board yet? You have complained about the current board enough that you SHOULD be running. If you aren't, then why not? More fun to complain while others do the work?
I do not know 1 single person, in-person, that was on the old board, nor the new one (although I have met, but still don't consider it "knowing" Walter Ostromecki...though I do have respect for him the times I have met him), so I am not doing saying anything to protect others, etc.......I just dislike hearing complaint after complaint from armchair quarterbacks who don't try to change things themselves.
<< <i>1. Will he propose a bylaw change so a former employee may run for the Board, if that employee leaves the employment of the ANA one year and one day before the next election?
2. Why must the ANA President and VP have been Board Members first? Does he realize that it's harder to be elected to these offices than to be elected President and VP of the United States as a result. All that's needed for those two positions are: being 35 or older, being natural born American citizens, not being convicted felons (and that one is open to interpretation).
Let Mr. Lyon, clearly express his opinions on these two issues and he'll have no further issues with me. I simply want him on the public record as to these two issues. He, of course, has the Constitutional right which I respect, to not answer or respond in any way. >>
First off, I can't believe anyone would actually believe what you wrote about how much easier it is to become elected as President of the United States and VP as well.....Really, do you believe that? Are you over 35, a natural born citizen and haven't been a convicted felon? If so, then YOU go become POTUS and show us how easy it is.....sheesh
I also don't believe that, if GregL chooses to NOT answer your questions that way you want, and uses his "Constitutional right", as you call it, that you would respect that. You have already proven you don't respect it by badgering.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ >>
Laura should run if she is really interested in serving the A.N.A. She would bring a positive and fresh prospective to the organization.
Tcmistssr appears to be angry at life in general. I would have to agree, any response Mr. Lyons would make to him would just be meet with venom. Mr. Tcmistssr is acting like the “preverbal five year old; if I can’t have my way I’ll take my toys and go home”.
Tcmistssr appears to be jealous because he feels left out of the loop about the reasoning for the termination of employment for Mr. Shepherd, he needs to grow up and get over it. I’m sure Mr. Shepherd is a “big boy” and he doesn’t need the playground bully fighting for him.
As far as calling for the current Board of Governors to resign and run for re-election, is just more childish demands. The Board of Governors have made their decision, and I’ve not heard anything constructive or that has merit to make me believe that they (the Board of Governors) were not acting in the “best interest” of the A.N.A..
Mr. Lyons, please just ignore the ranting of this fool and remember ………..
<< <i>Dear Mr tcmitssr
You need to ease up on the venom throttle IMO. MJ >>
Quite a bit.
<< <i>Opportunity knocks loud here!
She definately has my vote! >>
Well said
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<< <i>tcmitssr I get your angst I really do. However, how you express it is another matter entirely.
I'd vote for Laura no matter what as I like her personally, professionally and respect her passion for the hobby.
I don't believe there is one thing that Mr Lyons (GregL) can say that will satisfy you at this point------ short of conceding. I think whatever he says in his or the ANA's defense will lead to further persecution by you regardless. I don't think there is any upside in speaking to you at this point for him so maybe that is why he is ignoring you. Just an observation and or opinion.
I know you won't heed my advise regardless so that's my peace. I'm out of this conversation. Respectfully, MJ >>
Laura should run if she is really interested in serving the A.N.A. She would bring a positive and fresh prospective to the organization.
Tcmistssr appears to be angry at life in general. I would have to agree, any response Mr. Lyons would make to him would just be meet with venom. Mr. Tcmistssr is acting like the “preverbal five year old; if I can’t have my way I’ll take my toys and go home”.
Tcmistssr appears to be jealous because he feels left out of the loop about the reasoning for the termination of employment for Mr. Shepherd, he needs to grow up and get over it. I’m sure Mr. Shepherd is a “big boy” and he doesn’t need the playground bully fighting for him.
As far as calling for the current Board of Governors to resign and run for re-election, is just more childish demands. The Board of Governors have made their decision, and I’ve not heard anything constructive or that has merit to make me believe that they (the Board of Governors) were not acting in the “best interest” of the A.N.A..
Then let's hope that Larry retains a super law firm, strong in tort and contract law, and sue the heck out of the ANA, and yes...I am a member of it.
Mr. Lyons, please just ignore the ranting of this fool and remember ………..
Hardly the fool, more like the investigative reporter from 60 Minutes who shows up on your doorstep and walks you, to and from everywhere you go when you leave the building.
I'm not jealous of anything. If you choose to accept what Mr. Lyon is stating as both sufficient and adequate to answer any or all of your questions that's your right.
As for what I wrote, he said that it's important to have the experience of being a Board member prior to being Pres or VP of the ANA. We have no such requirement that a President of the U.S. have served in Congress or ever been elected to any prior office. We have the simple, statuatory minimum requirements I stated. Colin Powell would easily have been elected in a 20 year period without ever having held any elective office prior. Yet, if he were an ANA member, he couldn't run for President unless he first served as a Board member. That's simply stupid.
Hardly. Let Greg answer the two specific questions I've posed to him, "on the record," so to speak...and I'll be fine with that.
dealers and the ANA to address them. It seems to me that if Laura is willing to put in
the effort she deserves everyone's support. Anyone willing to take on the the forces
working against the hobby deserves our support.
Lance.
Well, it can't be much worse than a bunch of suits marching in lockstep.
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
WS
aka Good Old Boys Network.
I'd still like to know where the money went for the people regarding the ACG Suit..............and asking and writing people at the ANA back when I did was the equivalent of trying to get a simple answer out of a politician.
The ANA appears at least to me to have had absolutely Zero concern for collectors with their focus solely on the almighty $.
I'm no Laura Lapdog but do think that she would be a vocal member on the board that could turn the tide for the ANA.
FWIW I am a Life Member.
Camelot
As to having Laura on the board...the ANA could do a lot worse. We need more people on the board who understand the business as well as the hobby.
The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors.
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<< <i>the only explanation for the President having to serve on the board prior to would be to keep it somewhat under their control who runs and does not.
aka Good Old Boys Network.
I'd still like to know where the money went for the people regarding the ACG Suit..............and asking and writing people at the ANA back when I did was the equivalent of trying to get a simple answer out of a politician.
The ANA appears at least to me to have had absolutely Zero concern for collectors with their focus solely on the almighty $.
I'm no Laura Lapdog but do think that she would be a vocal member on the board that could turn the tide for the ANA.
FWIW I am a Life Member. >>
Your comment that the ANA has zero concern for the collector is wrong. The ANA started ANACS, the first grading and authenication service, when altered, whizzed, fake and overgraded coins were the NORM in the market, and there was no recourse for victims...most of whom didn't even KNOW they were victims.
The rule that the President of an organization has to spend a term on the board is very common among nonprofits. Learn the ropes before making changes based on kneejerk reactions to issues that they usually don't have all the background information about. Preventing "angry mob" takeovers of the organization, often for commercial gain. I was on the board of a small business chamber where a member was mad that a restaurant he owned wasn't selected as the caterer for the organization events. The guy paid the memberships of every employee, waiter, busboy, dishwasher that worked for him, all showed up, voted in 50% of the board with his flunkies, won an uncontested term as president, got himself listed as preferred caterer for ten years under a no bid contract...then he lost interest in the organization, and he and his new board members quit coming after a couple of months, so no quorum so we couldn't do any business. Then we got sued for not letting the other restauarants bid on the catering contract. Just about killed the organization.
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The ANA is a club, but it's also a business... and for it to sustain itself in the long term it needs some business minds at the helm who can work together with both dealers and collectors. >>
Making remarks that a nonprofit organization is a business is a good way to have your organization's nonprofit status revoked....