Has anyone here ever read the ANA Policy Manual? Does the manual set forth any provisions for a code of ethics, education priorities, bidding for rights to the ANA sales?
If not, where does the ANA set out these very important activities?
Can't think of anybody better to redefine how the ANA interacts with show vendors and dealers. I know the collector public would support her but I would be interested to see what a lot of the dealers are saying behind closed doors. I would think it would be in their self interest to keep the status quo even at the continued detriment of the hobby in the name of personal gains. Like Kaz said I might join just to vote for her.
You must forgive MJ. Between the Tigers victory over the Yankees, and the Lions starting off 4-0, the time-space continuum in the Midwest is completely out of whack.
and let's not forgot about the Wolverines. Actually I'm on the disabled list and I'm sleeping a lot . Thanks for picking up the slack RYK. Yep, I'll stick around the ANA and vote for Laura. We are going to do some mass communicating to help get her elected.........MJ
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> I may have to join the ANA just so I can vote for her.
> You must forgive MJ. Between the Tigers victory over the Yankees, and the Lions starting off 4-0, the time-space continuum in the Midwest is completely out of whack. I'm worried the world is going to end before the Lions get to the playoffs.
Things would be a lot more interesting if they made her the Executive Director.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
She might obtain the coveted Official Longacre Endorsement™.
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Laura should be up for an ANA award soon. Already this week she's prompted almost as many CU Forum Weenies™ to join the ANA as the week's previous threads caused to torch their membership cards.
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<< <i>Has anyone here ever read the ANA Policy Manual? Does the manual set forth any provisions for a code of ethics, education priorities, bidding for rights to the ANA sales?
If not, where does the ANA set out these very important activities? >>
The ANA does have a code of ethics which should be on the website, but seems to have been removed when the new bylaws were posted. I will email headquarters about that today.
Bidding rights to auctions are done through sealed bids submitted to our accounting firm and must meet standards put forth in a Request for Proposal. The Board ultimately decides on which bid is accepted.
Not sure what you are referring to regarding education priorities. At Summer Seminar, for example, class offerings usually depend on what we have instructors interested in teaching and enough students willing to attend. Numismatic Theatre presentations and Collector Exhibits at conventions depends on what people decide to put together.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
I'd like to see Laura attend Board meetings between now and when the elections are held in 2013. If someone is serious on running, I'd hope they are willing to learn what items are before the board and the time commitment before possibly getting elected.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
I'm not a member of ANA and don't really care about their problems, but since I've been inhabiting this forum I've come to have a bit of respect for the type of dealer that Laura is. I kinda pooh-poohed her when she was a participant here, but that is my mistake.
I'm almost tempted to join up, just to vote for her.
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<< <i>Are collectors allowed to attend board meetings? Are they open to the public??? >>
There are open session board meetings as well as executive session board meetings. Executive session meetings concern topics such as awards, contracts and employment matters. All other business is handled in open session meetings.
In Pittsburgh, the open session board meeting & town hall will be held Friday, October 14th from 3pm to 5pm in Room 330. The agenda can be found here.
I would love to see a greater turnout of general members as well as anyone considering running for the board.
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
Go for it, Laura. You will have much support across the collecting spectrum. Hopefully, your announcement alone will encourage those already on the board to listen to its members rather than theirselves. Were a board of any functioning collecting group to actuall ask its board members how they felt on the plethora of issues standing before them, BEFORE they make a decision, would stagger the membership. I'm not saying ask for approval to do their job, but just to see if they are acting in accordance with the will of the majority of members. This may be interesting. Jim
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<< <i>Were a board of any functioning collecting group to actuall ask its board members how they felt on the plethora of issues standing before them, BEFORE they make a decision, would stagger the membership. I'm not saying ask for approval to do their job, but just to see if they are acting in accordance with the will of the majority of members. This may be interesting. Jim >>
Jim --
The ANA Board would love to get more input from members.
Outside of this forum, I have had a grand total of six ANA members contact me since joining the Board in August -- four of whom were commenting or asking questions regarding Larry Shepherd. While running for the board, I had another two people contact me. This is with my email address on my campaign literature and now having my email address, mailing address and phone number on the ANA website.
Agendas for board meetings are posted on the ANA website. (This has not always been done promptly in the past, but I am going to ensure it does going forward.) The one for Pittsburgh is posted here. Obviously, there are certain matters which are not open to the membership (awards -- other than nominations, contracts, personnel matters and some legal matters), but barring a valid reason for covering something in executive session, the membership knows what is up for discussion.
During our September teleconference, the topic of reinstituting early bird badges was raised. As this is a very opinionated topic -- both in favor and against -- the decision was to seek outside input (from the ANA Advisory Council, members and dealers) before making a hasty decision.
If there is a specific topic, you don't believe input from the membership is taken on, I'd love to hear from you (and any other member).
Greg
Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
Greg L., With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little). The board should be proactive, utilizing the many methods of contacting their members without simply standing by waiting for their members to contact them. I'm sure any article, gladly published by the many coin mags, asking for members opinions on matters facing the board and the ANA in general, would draw members out and offer them previously unheard of attention of the board. I believe you would be astounded. As to members not contacting you on their own, I feel that this forum alone has shown you that their is a lot of disparagement among the members regarding the board and they might feel it would be a waste of time. It's time the board proved to its members that they matter, at least as a token of understanding the member's point of view. The ball is in your(the board's) court. You can either turn a deaf ear, as per the past, or show that the board is willing to cooperate with its members in returning the ANA to its respected position in numismatics. Why not try it, you might like it. Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
<< <i>Greg L., With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little). The board should be proactive, utilizing the many methods of contacting their members without simply standing by waiting for their members to contact them. I'm sure any article, gladly published by the many coin mags, asking for members opinions on matters facing the board and the ANA in general, would draw members out and offer them previously unheard of attention of the board. I believe you would be astounded. As to members not contacting you on their own, I feel that this forum alone has shown you that their is a lot of disparagement among the members regarding the board and they might feel it would be a waste of time. It's time the board proved to its members that they matter, at least as a token of understanding the member's point of view. The ball is in your(the board's) court. You can either turn a deaf ear, as per the past, or show that the board is willing to cooperate with its members in returning the ANA to its respected position in numismatics. Why not try it, you might like it. Jim >>
If the members don't like how the board works, they can vote them out. They've done so before.
If members don't like how the board works, they can run themselves. There was only one more candidate on the ballot than the number of open positions last time.
But for some reason, most members simply don't care. Voting rate is like 20% or less.
I think most members just like getting the magazine and maybe attending the convention. Nearly all members get the magazine but a substantially less % use other ANA services.
I wish Laura well, but my few and brief contacts with her did not leave me with the impression that she would fare well operating within a political body. Being 'right' isn't nearly enough unless your a dictator. To accomplish any meaningful change you have to be 'right' on the policy issue PLUS have the ability to build consensus towards your view. Otherwise, you simply become a lone voice 'bomb thrower' telling the world why everyone else is wrong.
I wish her the best and will support her, if for nothing else than the entertainment value. She will need all of her passion and committment to a better hobby to see this one through IMO.
<< <i>I wish Laura well, but my few and brief contacts with her did not leave me with the impression that she would fare well operating within a political body. Being 'right' isn't nearly enough unless your a dictator. To accomplish any meaningful change you have to be 'right' on the policy issue PLUS have the ability to build consensus towards your view. Otherwise, you simply become a lone voice 'bomb thrower' telling the world why everyone else is wrong. >>
Excellent points. Laura would only have one vote and if she alienates the other governors there will be a lot of 5 to 1 votes on issues. There are too many big egos involved in ANA politics.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I wish Laura well, but my few and brief contacts with her did not leave me with the impression that she would fare well operating within a political body. Being 'right' isn't nearly enough unless your a dictator. To accomplish any meaningful change you have to be 'right' on the policy issue PLUS have the ability to build consensus towards your view. Otherwise, you simply become a lone voice 'bomb thrower' telling the world why everyone else is wrong.
I wish her the best and will support her, if for nothing else than the entertainment value. She will need all of her passion and committment to a better hobby to see this one through IMO. >>
On the other hand, sometimes you need a maverick to get things done.
<< <i>Has anyone here ever read the ANA Policy Manual? Does the manual set forth any provisions for a code of ethics, education priorities, bidding for rights to the ANA sales?
If not, where does the ANA set out these very important activities? >>
The ANA does have a code of ethics which should be on the website, but seems to have been removed when the new bylaws were posted. I will email headquarters about that today.
>>
I look at these every few weeks or so, and them seem to still be at my old bookmarks.
<< <i>Can't think of anybody better to redefine how the ANA interacts with show vendors and dealers. I know the collector public would support her but I would be interested to see what a lot of the dealers are saying behind closed doors. I would think it would be in their self interest to keep the status quo even at the continued detriment of the hobby in the name of personal gains. Like Kaz said I might join just to vote for her. >>
I think crypto is spot on. Those pro the hobby are going to give her their vote. Those dealers ruining the hobby are going to do everything they can to make sure she doesnt win.
<< <i>Greg L., With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little). The board should be proactive, utilizing the many methods of contacting their members without simply standing by waiting for their members to contact them. >>
It's certainly a missed opportunity not to include a survey of performance and ranking of important issues when the ANA ballots are mailed out. The extra cost would be next to nothing.
But I have been on the boards of directors of nonprofit corporations where "reform" has meant micromanaging by the members to the point that the organization is ungovernable....Writing various new "policies" and "mission statements" and then voting on endless minor changes to the wording and bringing up various "what if" scenarios -- for example.
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Excellent points. Laura would only have one vote and if she alienates the other governors there will be a lot of 5 to 1 votes on issues. There are too many big egos involved in ANA politics. >>
I believe you mean "a lot of 8 to 1 votes on issues".
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<< <i>Does anyone know anything about Laura's personal collection? >>
I believe that she collects the shrunken heads of deceased coin collectors and former customers.
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<< <i>She's talking about CHANGE - Uh Oh! >>
Let's hope that her slogan is not "P
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<< <i>She's talking about CHANGE - Uh Oh! >>
Pocket change? Chump change?
She has my vote.
If not, where does the ANA set out these very important activities?
<< <i>
<< <i>Does anyone know anything about Laura's personal collection? >>
I believe that she collects the shrunken heads of deceased coin collectors and former customers.
Let's not forget the wannabee's.
I'd vote for her.
The name is LEE!
Kudos to her for stepping up.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
An interesting proposition on Ms. Sperber's part.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I will vote for Laura if she is crazy enough to go through with this. >>
My sentiments exactly! Good for her.
Tom
Larry L.
> You must forgive MJ. Between the Tigers victory over the Yankees, and the Lions starting off 4-0, the time-space continuum in the Midwest is completely out of whack.
I'm worried the world is going to end before the Lions get to the playoffs.
-Keith
I think she'll be more collector-orientated than dealer-orientated, which is good.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>I'll support her bid to run. Strange how time changes things.
I think she'll be more collector-orientated than dealer-orientated, which is good. >>
I agree completely.
Already this week she's prompted almost as many CU Forum Weenies™ to join the ANA as the week's previous threads caused to torch their membership cards.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
<< <i>Has anyone here ever read the ANA Policy Manual? Does the manual set forth any provisions for a code of ethics, education priorities, bidding for rights to the ANA sales?
If not, where does the ANA set out these very important activities? >>
The ANA does have a code of ethics which should be on the website, but seems to have been removed when the new bylaws were posted. I will email headquarters about that today.
Bidding rights to auctions are done through sealed bids submitted to our accounting firm and must meet standards put forth in a Request for Proposal. The Board ultimately decides on which bid is accepted.
Not sure what you are referring to regarding education priorities. At Summer Seminar, for example, class offerings usually depend on what we have instructors interested in teaching and enough students willing to attend. Numismatic Theatre presentations and Collector Exhibits at conventions depends on what people decide to put together.
Greg
Greg
I'm almost tempted to join up, just to vote for her.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Are collectors allowed to attend board meetings? Are they open to the public??? >>
There are open session board meetings as well as executive session board meetings. Executive session meetings concern topics such as awards, contracts and employment matters. All other business is handled in open session meetings.
In Pittsburgh, the open session board meeting & town hall will be held Friday, October 14th from 3pm to 5pm in Room 330. The agenda can be found here.
I would love to see a greater turnout of general members as well as anyone considering running for the board.
Greg
I'm not saying ask for approval to do their job, but just to see if they are acting in accordance with the will of the majority of members. This may be interesting.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
<< <i>Were a board of any functioning collecting group to actuall ask its board members how they felt on the plethora of issues standing before them, BEFORE they make a decision, would stagger the membership. I'm not saying ask for approval to do their job, but just to see if they are acting in accordance with the will of the majority of members. This may be interesting.
Jim >>
Jim --
The ANA Board would love to get more input from members.
Outside of this forum, I have had a grand total of six ANA members contact me since joining the Board in August -- four of whom were commenting or asking questions regarding Larry Shepherd. While running for the board, I had another two people contact me. This is with my email address on my campaign literature and now having my email address, mailing address and phone number on the ANA website.
Agendas for board meetings are posted on the ANA website. (This has not always been done promptly in the past, but I am going to ensure it does going forward.) The one for Pittsburgh is posted here. Obviously, there are certain matters which are not open to the membership (awards -- other than nominations, contracts, personnel matters and some legal matters), but barring a valid reason for covering something in executive session, the membership knows what is up for discussion.
During our September teleconference, the topic of reinstituting early bird badges was raised. As this is a very opinionated topic -- both in favor and against -- the decision was to seek outside input (from the ANA Advisory Council, members and dealers) before making a hasty decision.
If there is a specific topic, you don't believe input from the membership is taken on, I'd love to hear from you (and any other member).
Greg
With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little). The board should be proactive, utilizing the many methods of contacting their members without simply standing by waiting for their members to contact them. I'm sure any article, gladly published by the many coin mags, asking for members opinions on matters facing the board and the ANA in general, would draw members out and offer them previously unheard of attention of the board. I believe you would be astounded. As to members not contacting you on their own, I feel that this forum alone has shown you that their is a lot of disparagement among the members regarding the board and they might feel it would be a waste of time. It's time the board proved to its members that they matter, at least as a token of understanding the member's point of view. The ball is in your(the board's) court. You can either turn a deaf ear, as per the past, or show that the board is willing to cooperate with its members in returning the ANA to its respected position in numismatics. Why not try it, you might like it.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
<< <i>With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little) >>
Was that a Freudian slip?
Or not...
<< <i>Greg L.,
With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little). The board should be proactive, utilizing the many methods of contacting their members without simply standing by waiting for their members to contact them. I'm sure any article, gladly published by the many coin mags, asking for members opinions on matters facing the board and the ANA in general, would draw members out and offer them previously unheard of attention of the board. I believe you would be astounded. As to members not contacting you on their own, I feel that this forum alone has shown you that their is a lot of disparagement among the members regarding the board and they might feel it would be a waste of time. It's time the board proved to its members that they matter, at least as a token of understanding the member's point of view. The ball is in your(the board's) court. You can either turn a deaf ear, as per the past, or show that the board is willing to cooperate with its members in returning the ANA to its respected position in numismatics. Why not try it, you might like it.
Jim >>
If the members don't like how the board works, they can vote them out. They've done so before.
If members don't like how the board works, they can run themselves. There was only one more candidate on the ballot than the number of open positions last time.
But for some reason, most members simply don't care. Voting rate is like 20% or less.
I think most members just like getting the magazine and maybe attending the convention. Nearly all members get the magazine but a substantially less % use other ANA services.
I wish her the best and will support her, if for nothing else than the entertainment value. She will need all of her passion and committment to a better hobby to see this one through IMO.
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<< <i>I wish Laura well, but my few and brief contacts with her did not leave me with the impression that she would fare well operating within a political body. Being 'right' isn't nearly enough unless your a dictator. To accomplish any meaningful change you have to be 'right' on the policy issue PLUS have the ability to build consensus towards your view. Otherwise, you simply become a lone voice 'bomb thrower' telling the world why everyone else is wrong. >>
Excellent points. Laura would only have one vote and if she alienates the other governors there will be a lot of 5 to 1 votes on issues. There are too many big egos involved in ANA politics.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I wish Laura well, but my few and brief contacts with her did not leave me with the impression that she would fare well operating within a political body. Being 'right' isn't nearly enough unless your a dictator. To accomplish any meaningful change you have to be 'right' on the policy issue PLUS have the ability to build consensus towards your view. Otherwise, you simply become a lone voice 'bomb thrower' telling the world why everyone else is wrong.
I wish her the best and will support her, if for nothing else than the entertainment value. She will need all of her passion and committment to a better hobby to see this one through IMO. >>
On the other hand, sometimes you need a maverick to get things done.
<< <i>
<< <i>Has anyone here ever read the ANA Policy Manual? Does the manual set forth any provisions for a code of ethics, education priorities, bidding for rights to the ANA sales?
If not, where does the ANA set out these very important activities? >>
The ANA does have a code of ethics which should be on the website, but seems to have been removed when the new bylaws were posted. I will email headquarters about that today.
>>
I look at these every few weeks or so, and them seem to still be at my old bookmarks.
Charter and Bylaws
Member code of Ethics
Dealer Code of Ethics
<< <i>Can't think of anybody better to redefine how the ANA interacts with show vendors and dealers. I know the collector public would support her but I would be interested to see what a lot of the dealers are saying behind closed doors. I would think it would be in their self interest to keep the status quo even at the continued detriment of the hobby in the name of personal gains. Like Kaz said I might join just to vote for her. >>
I think crypto is spot on.
Those pro the hobby are going to give her their vote.
Those dealers ruining the hobby are going to do everything they can to make sure she doesnt win.
<< <i>Greg L.,
With no respect to you or the board members(well maybe a little). The board should be proactive, utilizing the many methods of contacting their members without simply standing by waiting for their members to contact them. >>
It's certainly a missed opportunity not to include a survey of performance and ranking of important issues when the ANA
ballots are mailed out. The extra cost would be next to nothing.
But I have been on the boards of directors of nonprofit corporations where "reform" has meant micromanaging
by the members to the point that the organization is ungovernable....Writing various new "policies" and "mission
statements" and then voting on endless minor changes to the wording and bringing up various "what if" scenarios -- for example.
<< <i>
Excellent points. Laura would only have one vote and if she alienates the other governors there will be a lot of 5 to 1 votes on issues. There are too many big egos involved in ANA politics. >>
I believe you mean "a lot of 8 to 1 votes on issues".
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