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Raw Morgan Reverse toner purchase...pics and price inside...ALL opinions please! :)

uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
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Raw Morgan Reverse toner purchase...$105.00...ALL opinions please! image


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Thanks!

Doug
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    at
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Doesn't look right
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    I don't have a good feeling about this one and the picture sucks so it's really a crap shoot but the obverse looks circulated and the reverse looks suspect but I can't say for sure it's AT based on the picture.
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  • kerikowkerikow Posts: 136
    pics arent the best, but looks ok to me
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭
    Don't expect to get it in a no-problem slab.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • TwinturboTwinturbo Posts: 493
    Appears to be AU
    Doesnt appear to be market acceptable toning, if it gets slabbed your in luck
    In addition i was taught blues and purples dont appear togther typically, like a tell tale sign of AT? could be wrong on that one, would need better pics to tell.
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Interesting...lots of gun shy opinions on my raw toneage. haha. I guarantee pcgs ms-63 first time submission. In fact, I would bet on it...any takers? Nothing big...maybe a donation to the YN program? It appears I have lots to teach the forum toned coin newbies.

    image))
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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting...lots of gun shy opinions on my raw toneage. haha. I guarantee pcgs ms-63 first time submission. In fact, I would bet on it...any takers? Nothing big...maybe a donation to the YN program? It appears I have lots to teach the forum toned coin newbies.

    image)) >>



    Coin APPEARS to be UNC. I just never understand why people pay premiums for toning.......

    Good Luck on getting it into a PCGS problem free slab.



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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks AT. Raw eBay purchase?
  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    Coin APPEARS to be UNC. I just never understand why people pay premiums for toning....... Perhaps because toners are nicer and more interesting than plain ole blast white coins?

    HMMMMM;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,098 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Interesting...lots of gun shy opinions on my raw toneage. haha. I guarantee pcgs ms-63 first time submission. In fact, I would bet on it...any takers? Nothing big...maybe a donation to the YN program? It appears I have lots to teach the forum toned coin newbies.

    image)) >>



    Coin APPEARS to be UNC. I just never understand why people pay premiums for toning.......

    Good Luck on getting it into a PCGS problem free slab. >>



    Eye appeal man; it's all about eye appeal. A really nice toner has eye appeal that goes through the roof.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,098 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting...lots of gun shy opinions on my raw toneage. haha. I guarantee pcgs ms-63 first time submission. In fact, I would bet on it...any takers? Nothing big...maybe a donation to the YN program? It appears I have lots to teach the forum toned coin newbies.

    image)) >>



    The first thing that should have tipped you off is the date. The year 1890 is not known as a date flush with nice toners. A 63 with legit toning like that should have brought a lot more than you paid. Just sayin.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Impossible to provide an opinion based on those photos.
    Many happy BST transactions
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks AT to me...............
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would bet on it...any takers?


    im game, i say it will not holder pcgs ms63.........
    side bet,.....Genuine
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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to determine anything from your pictures, sorry.
  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin APPEARS to be UNC. I just never understand why people pay premiums for toning....... Perhaps because toners are nicer and more interesting than plain ole blast white coins?

    HMMMMM; >>



    Its a matter or PERSPECTIVE. Some people like Toners. Some like Blast White. I like both, I just understand why toners command such premiums.

    image
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭


    <<< The first thing that should have tipped you off is the date. The year 1890 is not known as a date flush with nice toners. >>>








    BAJJERFAN is correct. Here's my modest 1890-P in 64 with some color on it.



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  • al410al410 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭
    I would guess AT, reminds me of the colors on this ebay sellers coins> cwbyup1051 <
    Just my opinion

    AL
  • KeyLargoRareCoinsKeyLargoRareCoins Posts: 397 ✭


    << <i>Interesting...lots of gun shy opinions on my raw toneage. haha. I guarantee pcgs ms-63 first time submission. In fact, I would bet on it...any takers? Nothing big...maybe a donation to the YN program? It appears I have lots to teach the forum toned coin newbies.

    image)) >>




    I think you should take a good image before trying to teach anything. You cant judge anything from that picture, not color, not grade, just a plain shot in the dark. Its not suprising that you are getting the types of opinions so far.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the images provided that coin doesn't look right at all.
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  • TheCoinGeezerTheCoinGeezer Posts: 408
    Based on the somewhat unclear pictures provided, I'd say something doesn't look quite Kosher.
    The reverse appears to be AT but I'm no expert.
    Just my 2¢
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yikes, AT to me but some on these boards will "NT" anything.
    Also, although admittedly not the best image, I have 62s that look a whole lot less bagged/abraded...
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Tel us more bout the Rainbow Liberty Head VC and others you have sold. Neat purple. I sill don't understand how you thought this looked good even from these horrid pics is looks AU, altered and AT.

    Eric
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,098 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yikes, AT to me but some on these boards will "NT" anything.
    Also, although admittedly not the best image, I have 62s that look a whole lot less bagged/abraded... >>



    The 1890 is generally known to afford a lot of baggy looking coins and as such there is a BIG price jump from 64 to 65
    theknowitalltroll;
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    I will take all the "PCGS grades first try" action being given out on that coin.
  • KeyLargoRareCoinsKeyLargoRareCoins Posts: 397 ✭
    Here is an 1890 that will knock your socks off image The best 1890 I have ever seen to date.

    image
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<Hi Doug,

    I will take you up on your "guarantee" and "bet". I will bet the coin either doesn&#146;t receive a numerical grade, or if it does, grades less than MS63, the first time. It looks AT (and quite possibly less than MS63) to me. So I have two ways to win. And the loser donates $100 to the ANA's YN program. Are you willing to back up your braggadocio?

    Sincerely,
    Mark Feld>>
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  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    Looks 63 to me. And Shake 'n' Baked.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • TwinturboTwinturbo Posts: 493
    I'll take you up on the little side bet as well, I'll do a giveaway to a YN on the board for a VG Morgan 1896
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Count me in on the "it doesn't look right" group. It doesn't look right from what the pics are showing...
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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Haha...thanks all! Thought I might get flamed a LOT worse than this! I appreciate your restraint from getting pesonal...back in "the day" (5 years or so ago), some guys would get torched for smart alec remarks like mine.

    Anyway, I will have to take you all up on a Group bet then...My max is $100 to YN vs all the naysayers...you all can take the other side of it in pieces or even more. Either way, I win, as I love the hobby and want the YNs to have a little more budget money. image

    Let's have fun! I will send it in with my next Economy shipping with other horribly AT Morgans and such. lol.

    Doug
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  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/fd7W7w5kcdor4hdr5

  • TexasNationalsTexasNationals Posts: 3,837 ✭
    Someone clipped a coupon for $1.00 off any shake and bake!
  • TinyTiny Posts: 2,598
    From the PICTURES I say the coin is AT and I wouldn't even want to try and assign a grade.
    Get better pics and I might change my mind but I doubt it.




    I missed this earlier from the OP's second post:

    It appears I have lots to teach the forum toned coin newbies.


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  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Not a fan at all. AT, AU.



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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    ok, AU experts...point out the rub for me?
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  • TexasNationalsTexasNationals Posts: 3,837 ✭
    I didn't say AU, but I think it is, breast feathers and hair around ear.

    TN
  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Sorry,AT.Chris,your 1890 is 3rd nicest color coin i have seen on one,but still alot for the grade.VERY tough date with nice color though.image
    Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Lloyd! No way! But, as fellow experts I will defer to agree to disagree with you out of my utmost respect for your toning knowledge and taste. image Your friend, Doug
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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Let me know what it grades pal.image
    Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>Let me know what it grades pal.image >>



    I will, buddy. image
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin look AU and AT to me. Though your pictures are not the best, the fields on the obverse make the coin look AU.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The color on the reverse looks weird and unnatural. I know you didn’t buy the coin for the obverse, but the dab of color in Ms. Liberty’s ear looks AT to me.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Hi Bill,

    that blue in the area of the ear bothered me too an the overall cleaning look.

    Eric image
  • KeyLargoRareCoinsKeyLargoRareCoins Posts: 397 ✭


    << <i>Sorry,AT.Chris,your 1890 is 3rd nicest color coin i have seen on one,but still alot for the grade.VERY tough date with nice color though.image >>




    Thanks Lloyd.
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll go with banged up and boinked. image

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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    I just got it in hand from the mail today. The pics didn't do it justice. Definitely NT. The ear color is practically non existant and the obv is fully PL. The reverse is a perfect tone layer...not all applied or chemicaled up.

    I raise my bet to $200 to the YN. Please add your name and promise to this thread? This is all in good fun, folks. No mean intentions. image

    Doug
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you got it in hand how about some accurate pics and then I'll take a guess. But, based on the pics
    you posted I'd say AT and MS60/61 at best.
    A couple of years ago I attended a class through PCGS at the Vegas show. Hour long or so and
    the presenter (I don't remember who, shame on me) said that if the toning looks painted on it's AT.
    This looks just like a paint brushed dollar.

    bobimage
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