1964 Accented Hair Kennedys
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i identify them by the reverse, and the reverse alone... if there is a break in the rays then that's it:
- Broken Rays (Accented Hair)
- Solid Rays (Regular)
attributing website
i've seen a ton of proof '64 sets lately, and i've cherry picked maybe 10 or so in the last couple months... but... 2 buyers have returned them because they disagree.
they're just wrong aren't they? if they have the 'broken rays' it's indisputable..... right?
<< <i>The Accented Hair variety of the Kennedy Half Dollar was the created from the first obverse die used to produce the proof coins in 1964. So it exists only in proof and only for the year 1964.
There is a story that says, JFK's widow Jackie Kennedy did not like the design of the hair on the President's bust and demanded that it be revised. If true the US Mint retooled the die just to comply!
Authoritative sources think that approximately 1% to 3% of the production of 1964 proof Kennedy halves are the first obverse die, or the Accented Hair variety. If true, it would put the population at around 120,000 pieces before nearly 40 years of attrition. >>
- Broken Rays (Accented Hair) - Solid Rays (Regular)attributing website
i've seen a ton of proof '64 sets lately, and i've cherry picked maybe 10 or so in the last couple months... but... 2 buyers have returned them because they disagree.
they're just wrong aren't they? if they have the 'broken rays' it's indisputable..... right?
<< <i>The Accented Hair variety of the Kennedy Half Dollar was the created from the first obverse die used to produce the proof coins in 1964. So it exists only in proof and only for the year 1964.
There is a story that says, JFK's widow Jackie Kennedy did not like the design of the hair on the President's bust and demanded that it be revised. If true the US Mint retooled the die just to comply!
Authoritative sources think that approximately 1% to 3% of the production of 1964 proof Kennedy halves are the first obverse die, or the Accented Hair variety. If true, it would put the population at around 120,000 pieces before nearly 40 years of attrition. >>
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That's how I tell.
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I wonder if the so-called accented hair reverse was unique to the accented hair obverse?
Edited to add quote from site...."Something important to note about the reverse diagnostics is that they are not 100% reliable in determining the variety and should not be used as a stand-alone assessment tool. This is because reverse die #1 was also paired with obverse die #2. These are known as the "transitional variety" and, while rather uncommon, they do exist."
Cheers, RickO
I used to own a dozen of those coins.
I agree with ricko.
<< <i>i identify them by the reverse, and the reverse alone... if there is a break in the rays then that's it:
attributing website
i've seen a ton of proof '64 sets lately, and i've cherry picked maybe 10 or so in the last couple months... but... 2 buyers have returned them because they disagree.
they're just wrong aren't they? if they have the 'broken rays' it's indisputable..... right?
<< <i>The Accented Hair variety of the Kennedy Half Dollar was the created from the first obverse die used to produce the proof coins in 1964. So it exists only in proof and only for the year 1964.
There is a story that says, JFK's widow Jackie Kennedy did not like the design of the hair on the President's bust and demanded that it be revised. If true the US Mint retooled the die just to comply!
Authoritative sources think that approximately 1% to 3% of the production of 1964 proof Kennedy halves are the first obverse die, or the Accented Hair variety. If true, it would put the population at around 120,000 pieces before nearly 40 years of attrition. >>
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If you only use the above mentioned method, then you will be be adding the 1964 DDO-009 which is only the normal hair version.
<< <i>There is a story that says, JFK's widow Jackie Kennedy did not like the design of the hair on the President's bust and demanded that it be revised. If true the US Mint retooled the die just to comply! >>
The story may have been turned around
The difference between "myth" and "legend"?
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Additionally, folks should be very cautious before using a reverse die design for attributing an obverse die variety as die pairs were not always kept together.
<< <i>I identify them by the reverse, and the reverse alone... if there is a break in the rays then that's it: >>
This is incorrect and will lead to problems (see above).
<< <i>i've seen a ton of proof '64 sets lately, and i've cherry picked maybe 10 or so in the last couple months... but... 2 buyers have returned them because they disagree.
they're just wrong aren't they? if they have the 'broken rays' it's indisputable..... right? >>
Wrong. (See above)
The name is LEE!
... i agree with ricko's assessment.
<< <i>Using the reverse only will not net you only AHs, there is a transitional version with a AH reverse and a regular obverse. Myself, I just look at the lower left serif of the I in LIBERTY. if it's chopped off, it's an AH. >>
I agree use a die marker from the obverse die is much more true when doing die varieties.
Could someone show a photo of both hairs ?
<< <i>Thank you for the valuable information !!!
Could someone show a photo of both hairs ? >>
Some old guy did a web page on the subject that you ask. Have fun
The hair makes the coin along with the I and the Rays, atleast that's the way I was taught.
...i like using each and every marker to confirm what i'm looking for.
Russ, NCNE
...just as long as he sends you a royalty check.
<< <i>...just as long as he sends you a royalty check.
I assume he's making as much off his page as I've made off of mine.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>...just as long as he sends you a royalty check.
I assume he's making as much off his page as I've made off of mine.
Russ, NCNE >>
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<< <i>Using the reverse only will not net you only AHs, there is a transitional version with a AH reverse and a regular obverse. Myself, I just look at the lower left serif of the I in LIBERTY. if it's chopped off, it's an AH. >>
I do the same!
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The story may have been turned around
The difference between "myth" and "legend"? >>
I am sorry. I do not understand what you are saying here. Turned around how? What is the difference between myth and legend?
It is recorded historical facts that trial strikes were shown to Mrs. Kennedy and she requested that the hair part be softened and hair highlights added. All trial strikes were destroyed and the die defaced. No example exists today. Both the AH and regular Kennedy's have the hair part reduced. So they are all after Mrs. Kennedy's request was granted. In 1991 or thereabouts the original hair part was added back in.
<< <i>Using the reverse only will not net you only AHs, there is a transitional version with a AH reverse and a regular obverse. Myself, I just look at the lower left serif of the I in LIBERTY. if it's chopped off, it's an AH. >>
wow, all this time i thought the rays said it all. glad i asked
ok i've got 2 here that have the broken rays, but the I's are not chopped off and the hair is normal............... so what are they?
they must be some sort of noteworthy variety?
<< <i>The Broken Ray Reverse (RDV-001) was found on many different Kennedy Varieties >>
oops, just read that post: Broken Ray Reverse (RDV-001) it is