Great thread. Amazing finds LordM. That 1798 cent is unbelievable for a piece of copper in the ground for well over 200 years! Love that tooth too. I've got a White's Spectrum XLT metal detector that hasn't been outside in at least 4 years. I gotta get out more.
Coinut, I have the Spectrum also, take it out about as often as you and the rechargeable battery always has to be ordered and replaced. Better check yours-------BigE
<< <i>Coinut, I have the Spectrum also, take it out about as often as you and the rechargeable battery always has to be ordered and replaced. Better check yours-------BigE >>
Ouch, That's not good. I'd better go have a look see.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
"I've bought the large cent, and the pommel thingie, and will probably submit the cent to PCGS and get it TrueViewed. My pictures stink. I don't know if it will grade or not, but even in a Genuine holder, I should think that this coin should be quite desirable with this level of detail. I'll bet it was a lovely red beauty when it hit the dirt two centuries ago. "
Nice coin LM! I concur it's a S-166, R-1 and appears to be about Die state II-III (out of six). There are normally some clash marks on rev. & a bulge & clash marks on obv. that haven't appeared yet, as well as another crack from ST to C(E). It is the large 8 variety with the A in AMERICA weak and the rim beginning to crumble above ST. The dies were misaligned causing some of the coin's negative features. Looks like a high EF - AU, or so, but can't tell if it's going to grade. Good luck.
LordM, you truly are a consumate detectorist/hobbyist. Next time I'm in the Carolina's maybe you could show me a thing or two?
Probably turn up alot of the old throw-away beer can tabs, that most dummy's (self-included) would submerge into the full can o' beer unaware of the hazards of swallowing said tab! egads!
Yet another engaging story of the digs. Thanks for sharing Robertson!
Cheers!
Kirk
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Treasure hunters deserve a lot of the credit for the things that end up in museums. I'm glad you share. I believe it's an inspiration to the collecting community. The more interest generated in these times, the better the chance the hobbies survive.
I didn't get much out of them on that. Most of our coastal SE GA area was under cultivation before the Civil War. Plantation economy and all that, y'know. Rice and cotton. Indigo in the earlier (18th century) days. It's my understanding that it's a semi-rural site like so many of our relic hotspots are. Most of the land grew up into piney woods after the war, and the modern cash crop in a lot of these places is timber. Lumber companies own a lot of this kind of land, and the window of opportunity to detect comes after they've cut the trees but not not yet planted the next batch. These tall, straight pine trees can mature in 20 years or less.
Sometimes there might be nothing but a few fragments of the old "Savannah Grey" bricks to tell you a house was once there, or chunks of tabby (an early concrete made by burning oystershell and lime). But usually if the old houses were of wood frame construction, all trace of them has long disappeared. Here in the Lowcountry there are no cellarholes to tell the tale, as there are in other parts of the country (further inland and on higher ground).
Obviously there was a house on the site at one point. And the folks there had money. Look at how many coins turned up in a single day. Relic sites from this period are NOT typically this coin-rich, at least not in our area. Usually you'll find a number of buttons and other relics, and maybe only a single old coin. Look at that silver pistol pommel, too. Yep. These folks were fairly well to do.
What did the man (yes, I think it was a man) who lost that cent look like? What was he wearing? What was he doing, to cause that coin to fall from his pocket or pouch? Was it a steamy, humid summer day, causing him to mop his brow with a silk handkerchief, as he sweated in his woolen waistcoat and high knee britches and big-buckled shoes? Or was it a frigid winter morning under a slate-grey sky, with ice on the puddles and his breath fogging the crisp air?
We'll never know for sure. But if your imagination is as vivid as mine, you can conjure up some pretty neat mind-movies. That's one thing I like to do with tangible artifacts like these. Having them in hand makes the mind-movies all the more vivid. Particularly as I've done plenty of relic hunting in this area, so I can probably imagine the site better than a lot of y'all can. That whole "Cinema of the Mind" thing is what made me a coin collector to begin with. Especially the OLD coins. Like this. Or the Romans I collect. You gotta love it.
Lord M, you've made my afternoon about 5X more interesting than it was. Great finds! Love the tooth and the Large Cent. Gotta get out the metal detector. There's probably a bunch of metal in my field out next to the road.
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That has to be the prettiest early cent I've ever seen come out of the dirt! Now I know your friend is a master digger, not only because he found such an exceptional piece, but because it doesn't have any damage or shovel marks. People who don't do metal detecting just don't realize how hard it is to recover a coin like this without scratching it on a rock or hitting it with the shovel. It takes time and patience, which are hard to come by in the August heat with mosquitoes buzzing around your ears. What a recovery!
I just took my detector to myrtle beach. Found two nicely corroded pennies and lots of fun searching. If yours is a lexus or cady, mine must be a used beater truck or jeep. It can get the job done but not too reliable!
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
That silver "grotesque" face from the pistol butt was super cool.
If I find stuff like this, I'm not gonna sell it! I keep all my better finds.
I'm much more sentimental about my detector finds than I am my "bought" coins, even though the former are often only valuable to me, and the latter are universally nicer since they're free of environmental damage.
But some stuff like these finds is exciting regardless of the enviro damage.
Oh, since I'm resurrecting old threads and I think we can now embed media:
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I've got a White's Spectrum XLT metal detector that hasn't been outside in at least 4 years. I gotta get out more.
<< <i>Coinut, I have the Spectrum also, take it out about as often as you and the rechargeable battery always has to be ordered and replaced. Better check yours
Ouch, That's not good. I'd better go have a look see.
Steve
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
WS
always a pleasure.
C.
Hoard the keys.
Cathy
"I've bought the large cent, and the pommel thingie, and will probably submit the cent to PCGS and get it TrueViewed. My pictures stink. I don't know if it will grade or not, but even in a Genuine holder, I should think that this coin should be quite desirable with this level of detail. I'll bet it was a lovely red beauty when it hit the dirt two centuries ago. "
Nice coin LM! I concur it's a S-166, R-1 and appears to be about Die state II-III (out of six).
There are normally some clash marks on rev. & a bulge & clash marks on obv. that haven't
appeared yet, as well as another crack from ST to C(E).
It is the large 8 variety with the A in AMERICA weak and the rim beginning to crumble above
ST. The dies were misaligned causing some of the coin's negative features.
Looks like a high EF - AU, or so, but can't tell if it's going to grade. Good luck.
R.I.P. Bear
Probably turn up alot of the old throw-away beer can tabs, that most dummy's (self-included) would submerge into the full can o' beer unaware of the hazards of swallowing said tab! egads!
Yet another engaging story of the digs. Thanks for sharing Robertson!
Cheers!
Kirk
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Another great thread. I really enjoyed it.
John
<< <i>You sir, are having way too much fun....
WS >>
good one.
I'm in awe.
Thanks for sharing, very interesting read. And congratulations on getting the copper coin.
Ron
I'm glad you share. I believe it's an inspiration to the collecting community. The more interest generated in these times, the better the chance the hobbies survive.
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<< <i>No, not much information this time around. Relic hunters are pretty closemouthed about their hotspots, for obvious reasons. >>
I meant to ask if they knew anything about the site itself - aka past uses for the land etc that might have led to all these great items?
Sometimes there might be nothing but a few fragments of the old "Savannah Grey" bricks to tell you a house was once there, or chunks of tabby (an early concrete made by burning oystershell and lime). But usually if the old houses were of wood frame construction, all trace of them has long disappeared. Here in the Lowcountry there are no cellarholes to tell the tale, as there are in other parts of the country (further inland and on higher ground).
Obviously there was a house on the site at one point. And the folks there had money. Look at how many coins turned up in a single day. Relic sites from this period are NOT typically this coin-rich, at least not in our area. Usually you'll find a number of buttons and other relics, and maybe only a single old coin. Look at that silver pistol pommel, too. Yep. These folks were fairly well to do.
What did the man (yes, I think it was a man) who lost that cent look like? What was he wearing? What was he doing, to cause that coin to fall from his pocket or pouch? Was it a steamy, humid summer day, causing him to mop his brow with a silk handkerchief, as he sweated in his woolen waistcoat and high knee britches and big-buckled shoes? Or was it a frigid winter morning under a slate-grey sky, with ice on the puddles and his breath fogging the crisp air?
We'll never know for sure. But if your imagination is as vivid as mine, you can conjure up some pretty neat mind-movies. That's one thing I like to do with tangible artifacts like these. Having them in hand makes the mind-movies all the more vivid. Particularly as I've done plenty of relic hunting in this area, so I can probably imagine the site better than a lot of y'all can. That whole "Cinema of the Mind" thing is what made me a coin collector to begin with. Especially the OLD coins. Like this. Or the Romans I collect. You gotta love it.
I knew it would happen.
its gonna happen someday. guarantee!
Now check this out! I found an almost identical match for the gun it came from!
And another here.
(Click the bottom right thumbnail to see the gargoyle face pommel.)
So it looks to me as though this piece must've been made by an English gunsmith named Barbar.
I dug this old thread up to retrieve a picture, and it was fun enough to read again that I figured it deserved a resurrection.
So back up into the sunlight it goes, after nearly six years in mothballs.
I'm rather surprised the Photobucket-hosted images are still working, actually.
That has to be the prettiest early cent I've ever seen come out of the dirt! Now I know your friend is a master digger, not only because he found such an exceptional piece, but because it doesn't have any damage or shovel marks. People who don't do metal detecting just don't realize how hard it is to recover a coin like this without scratching it on a rock or hitting it with the shovel. It takes time and patience, which are hard to come by in the August heat with mosquitoes buzzing around your ears. What a recovery!
Good to see this thread again... and that 1798 cent is awesome LordM... Cheers, RickO
Which is cheaper?
A metal detector or a ghillie suit to follow detectorists?
Thanks for the resurrection!
I missed this the first time around.
Did it ever slab?
BHNC #203
I would certainly be shipping those half cut reale off to PCGS......awesome coin(s)
great old thread. nice finds
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Awesome thread, LordM!
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I was not a forum member then....Did the 1798 Cent ever slab?
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I just took my detector to myrtle beach. Found two nicely corroded pennies and lots of fun searching. If yours is a lexus or cady, mine must be a used beater truck or jeep. It can get the job done but not too reliable!
Great thread Rob
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Sold it raw.
Wow. Nice.
That silver "grotesque" face from the pistol butt was super cool.
If I find stuff like this, I'm not gonna sell it! I keep all my better finds.
I'm much more sentimental about my detector finds than I am my "bought" coins, even though the former are often only valuable to me, and the latter are universally nicer since they're free of environmental damage.
But some stuff like these finds is exciting regardless of the enviro damage.
Oh, since I'm resurrecting old threads and I think we can now embed media: