WWII Exile Hoard

llafoe

Would PCGS maintain the WWII Exile Hoard pedigree for the 200 St Gaudens in NGC plastic during crossover?

Edited to add: NGC Certifies Historic Cache of Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles

Batman23

Interesting that after all that time and moving around they still have a bunch grading MS66 to MS67. They must have been treated nicely!

scotty1419

I believe they normally preserve pedigrees if kept in the holder on submission or properly documented?

scotty1419

<< <i>Interesting that after all that time and moving around they still have a bunch grading MS66 to MS67. They must have been treated nicely! >>



I had the same thought - after they were buried in a garden...

partagas

The objective was to conceal the coins and not have them banging around making noise to arouse suspicion. I surmised that the coins were probably individually sewn into a leather coat. thus avoiding contact with other coins.

Raufus

Thanks for sharing this fantastic story.

derryb

I'd prefer them as they are.

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habaraca

does PCGS put a Pedigree on their body bags???

Why take any chance with these??

SanctionII

If I recall correctly the coins were found in England. In any event, I think that the recent vintage of the coins and the fact that they were traced to the original owners (or their children) resulted in the laws restricting the removal of treasure until after "The Man" has a chance to exercise a right of first refusal to aqcuire the items not applying. Thus they could be removed from the country and sold on the open market by the owners (or their children). The picture of the coins in a broken glass jar(s) in which they had been buried showed them to be dirty.

I assume that they are all nice and shiney and pretty after being "conserved" (which is the correct term to be used for spiffing up really important and valuable coins [including the coins owned by you and me]; instead of "cleaned" which is the correct term to be used for widgets and dreck [including coins owned by someone else])

PerryHall

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<< <i>Would PCGS maintain the WWII Exile Hoard pedigree for the 200 St Gaudens in NGC plastic during crossover?

Edited to add: NGC Certifies Historic Cache of Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles >>



Do you know what country they were found, sure hope it wasn't England. >>



What is wrong with finding them in England?

kiyote

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<< <i>Would PCGS maintain the WWII Exile Hoard pedigree for the 200 St Gaudens in NGC plastic during crossover?

Edited to add: NGC Certifies Historic Cache of Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles >>



Do you know what country they were found, sure hope it wasn't England. >>



What is wrong with finding them in England? >>



I agree. England is light years ahead of the US in terms of finding treasure. They've got the best balance for serious archeologists and treasure hunters. Metal detectorists are respected and rewarded well if they follow the law. As a detectorist, I can tell you getting credit for the find and getting to share the story is almost worth as much as the fair market price the goverment would pay me. On top of that, if you find something seriously amazing you can always visit it in a museum.

SaorAlba

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I agree. England is light years ahead of the US in terms of finding treasure. They've got the best balance for serious archeologists and treasure hunters. Metal detectorists are respected and rewarded well if they follow the law. As a detectorist, I can tell you getting credit for the find and getting to share the story is almost worth as much as the fair market price the goverment would pay me. On top of that, if you find something seriously amazing you can always visit it in a museum. >>



An interesting aspect of the Portable Antiquities Scheme as it is referred to is that if you report it, and they find it significant, you have a trail for the coin. I purchased a 17th century Irish token a few years ago that had been dug up in Shropshire England, it was reported to the Scheme because it was Irish and was well out of it's normal circulation zone. After that it was returned to the finder, and I purchased it. In the realm of 17th century tokens it could be somewhat insignificant, but as a piece found in a very rural English county so far from it's home it is a fascinating link to it having travelled then. It is nice to have all the documentation on when, where, by whom found etc. You have to get an export license for these pieces that have gone through the scheme, but it is a formality.

keyman64

Interesting story.

rainbowcoins

Interesting and I would sure like to get my hands on one of them beauties.

Broadstruck

Nice story yet the turn off was reading...

Numismatic Conservation Services expertly removed the leather so that the coins would be eligible for certification.

As I wouldn't want to pay real MS63-67 monies for anything that was salvaged and conserved by NCS.

pocketpiececommems

Now if there were 200 dated 1933??

jhdfla

<< <i>Interesting and I would sure like to get my hands on one of them beauties. >>



bestclser1 I believe has one for sale on the BST...

AnkurJ

<< <i>Nice story yet the turn off was reading...

Numismatic Conservation Services expertly removed the leather so that the coins would be eligible for certification.

As I wouldn't want to pay real MS63-67 monies for anything that was salvaged and conserved by NCS. >>



True, but also worth mentioning the positive side of it:

"Their unconventional storage imparted a number of the coins with a delicate reddish patina that was left untouched during conservation"

ricko

This made news when it was first discovered in England... followed it for quite a while since they were 'dug' coins. Nice cache. England has great laws for found treasures. Here in the U.S., you just need to keep your mouth shut. Cheers, RickO

steveben

that must have been one heavy coat.