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braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
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A wildly toned 1998 American silver eagle was cracked out of a PCGS MS69 holder and subsequently sent back into PCGS for another look.

Can you guess what PCGS did? I just received the coin back today and will show it after a few guesses.
Here's the crack out:
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PCGS did one of the following:

Simply graded back as an MS69.
Placed it into a GENUINE holder.
Graded it at a lesser grade than MS69 and awarded the + grade.
Graded it MS70.

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    tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Genuine
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine
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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW! Those are some crazy colors! I would call that AT....
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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They dipped it to prevent it from going into a Genie.image
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    68+

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    TheCoinGeezerTheCoinGeezer Posts: 408
    Genuine
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    DaggoBDaggoB Posts: 332 ✭✭
    Pcgs wording-Artificial Coloring
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What did PCGS do ?

    They recognized the coin and promptly had you arrested...
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    Just kidding Pat.
    I say they went 68+
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm guessing "Genuine" holder, but I can't wait for the twist.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm guessing "Genuine" holder, but I can't wait for the twist. >>



    The "twist" is certainly not a barn burner, but it's better that a poke in the eye.

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am looking forward to the twist as well....no matter what, it sure is pretty...not for me, but still pretty!
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    savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭
    same grade, 69


    i think PCGS knows this coin by now......it has been discussed here quite a bit

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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭
    MS68.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll have the answer in fifteen minutes!

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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I say genuine
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The favorite grade PCGS uses for wildly toned ASEs is MS68. I will say PCGS graded it MS68.
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    themasterthemaster Posts: 676 ✭✭✭
    14 + minutes.


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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
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    TAMU15TAMU15 Posts: 577 ✭✭
    WTF THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE
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    savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭
    does that new slab come with a check?

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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Proof?
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why on earth did you crack it out and send it in raw!!
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting upgrade from MS to Proof.

    It's also interesting they would no grade this but SecurePlus some other coins.

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    savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭
    >>Why on earth did you crack it out and send it in raw!! >>


    ah, missed that part.....nevermind my check comment


    duh, how would you still have the old cracked slab.....sorry my brain isnt working tonight

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    DaggoBDaggoB Posts: 332 ✭✭
    Why did you crack it out ? Did you think it was a proof or is it mis- labeled as a proof?
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Proof?


    PROOF?!?!?


    Is there such a thing?


    image


    oh good lord brain fart. of course there is.

    but...that isn't one of them.
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭
    So what do you think it should have been?

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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That coin had to be worth four figures in the problem free PCGS MS69 holder.
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    micmtmicmt Posts: 671
    ok I have a dumb question...does the single dollar sign or the double dollar sign mean anything?
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought it would be fun to crack it out and resubmit.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks. I have other avenues of fun. This is just one of them.

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    DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    Seems AT. I've toned several myself legitimately and never seen that pattern.

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    micmtmicmt Posts: 671
    LOL...too many late nights I guess. I was staring too hard at the the pictures side by side and it looked like there were two $ signs instead of an S$1. Only wish I could go to bed before 0830.
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A wildly toned 1998 American silver eagle was cracked out of a PCGS MS69 holder and subsequently sent back into PCGS for another look.

    Can you guess what PCGS did? I just received the coin back today and will show it after a few guesses.
    Here's the crack out:
    image

    PCGS did one of the following:

    Simply graded back as an MS69.
    Placed it into a GENUINE holder.
    Graded it at a lesser grade than MS69 and awarded the + grade.
    Graded it MS70. >>



    Lesson for me, I need to learn how to crack out and can still make a slab.


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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭
    I agree with PCGS' most recent opinion - AT all the way
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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with the AT but the PROOF part was certainly a twist!
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ever since I first saw the coin, I've been waiting for it to be out of a holder with a grade. The colors are awesome in terms of shade and intensity, but in now way are they natural. I couldn't believe the coin ever graded.
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    FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭
    Does this have a P mintmark, otherwise it would not be a Proof.
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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    yes I am confused!!
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    GroinyGroiny Posts: 399


    << <i>Why on earth did you crack it out and send it in raw!! >>



    Why on earth did you crack it out and send it in raw!!


    I think this question could be asked of you several thousand times ; and no matter what reason you come up with -

    I would have to say your a masochist
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    StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭

    Even PCI red-labeled this coin.

    I am astonished that it ever made it into a PCGS problem-free slab at all.



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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess is PCGS did the wrong thing first and the right thing next. But that's just a guess and for me, it's confusing, at best.
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My guess is PCGS did the wrong thing first and the right thing next. But that's just a guess and for me, it's confusing, at best. >>

    s

    ^^This.

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    dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    I sure don't get it?? You have a highly questionable (in my opinion) colored coin that's already in a pretty much maxed out top tier holder and which would likely bring a silly price on Ebay , and you crack it out for "fun"?
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    CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭✭
    Thread Title: PCI MS68 (Red Label) > PCGS MS69 > PCGS > ? Guess the Grade (with a twist and a poll)


    Did I miss the poll?


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    I think PCGS breathed a sigh of relief when you sent that coin into them raw.

    I would guess that -- if they thought about it at all -- it was a source of some embarrassment for them.

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    I only vaguely remember the threads on that coin from years ago, but didn't that coin sell for thousand(s) of dollars at one point?

    Also -- the Proof designation is merely a clerical error, IMO.
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    kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭


    << <i>I sure don't get it?? You have a highly questionable (in my opinion) colored coin that's already in a pretty much maxed out top tier holder and which would likely bring a silly price on Ebay , and you crack it out for "fun"? >>




    Yes and he said many moons ago that he had been offered a large sum for the coin and passed......me thinks it came down to Pat having a strong suspicion based on the previous PCI holder and overal looks that the coin wasn't legit so he did the right thing and had PCGS take another look and they decided it didn't pass the mustard the 2nd time through..... image
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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I sure don't get it?? You have a highly questionable (in my opinion) colored coin that's already in a pretty much maxed out top tier holder and which would likely bring a silly price on Ebay , and you crack it out for "fun"? >>




    Yes and he said many moons ago that he had been offered a large sum for the coin and passed......me thinks it came down to Pat having a strong suspicion based on the previous PCI holder and overal looks that the coin wasn't legit so he did the right thing and had PCGS take another look and they decided it didn't pass the mustard the 2nd time through..... image >>





    From what I remember Pat actually lost a bet and "had" to crack the coin.

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