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Is this 52 Mantle giving off good vibes or bad?

80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
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I almost have the deal closed, I just thought I'd bring it to the crew to see what ya'll thought about it. Is it authentic or not? Thanks for all your help, if you guys confirm it I'm on my way to pick it up! Tell me what you think, should I leave everything now and hit the highway or not?
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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    100% fake
  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 910 ✭✭✭
    Looks fake to me also. The psa label also looks wrong.
  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭✭
    Bad label was also the first thing I noticed.
  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    hmmm, but everything looks good. Are you guys for certain? I shouldn't buy?
  • miconelegacymiconelegacy Posts: 3,052 ✭
    I am not an expert at all. I just looked at another PSA 4 on EBay, and I notice a couple of things.

    1. The red border on left looks very thin compared to the right. Should the label be off center?
    2. The lettering seams much bigger than the one on EBay, or other PSA slabs.

    JMO


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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    Label isn't right. Run like hell!
  • brendanb438brendanb438 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭


    << <i>hmmm, but everything looks good. Are you guys for certain? I shouldn't buy? >>




    What is up lately with some of the posters on this board. Did you not read what everyone said right above you before posting this? But everything looks good? Everything looks fake, why ask for advice and this post this sort of response?
  • hhmag70hhmag70 Posts: 2,107
    The size of the font does not seem to match other post .5 graded flips when you make comparisons.
  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    it's called making sure, because it does look good. I see a graded psa 4 mantle, what other people see is maybe an old psa lable? This card could've been graded years ago, keep that in mind. I am asking if people are for certain that this card could be a fake.
  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    ok then bubblebathgirl, you're saying the card is real?
  • miconelegacymiconelegacy Posts: 3,052 ✭
    Shouldn't be an old label if the grade is underneath, correct? That started in 2008 I believe.
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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Youre seeing $ signs is all your seeing. How about this PSA 4 mantle for 2,000.00? but its worth 8,0000.00. OK!!!!!
    ITS 100% Fake.

    If you didnt understand what bubblebathgirl said, then you shouldnt have money. Thats my last comment!
  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    what seems fake about it? To me it looks like its aged nicely and seems very legit, are you guys not seeing this/? Anybody think it's real?
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    YES! CORRECT! DO! NOT! BUY! THE! CARD!

    EVER!!!!!
  • ThoseBackPagesThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
    im getting the feeling that the OP has already bought the fake slab
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  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭
    check out this

    Link

    I agree the flip looks wrong or fake. I would not buy that card.

    Centering of the flip has nothing to do with it being real or not. I seen many flips OC. here is an example of a real flip that isn't perfectly centered.

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    (picture is lifted off Ron Burgundy's thread)

    Now the Mantle in question

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    What bothers me is the font. The "O" in Topps the 5 in 1952. Also look at the pound "#" symbol to the left of 311 both are completely different. The font doesn't match at all imo. STAY AWAY FROM THE CARD. It's in a fake flip. No doubt.
  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    I think its just an old psa label.
  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake all the way!!!

    Donato

    Edited to add: There was never a label printed with that font.

    Check out the link to a thread showing all the different labels PSA used.

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  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    The card looks great to me, congrats!
  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭


    << <i>I think its just an old psa label. >>




    If it were an old label the grade number would look like

    VG-EX 4

    not

    VG-EX
    ____4


    Did you click on the link I posted? The PSA Flip History is also in my signature image

    If you really look close enough you will see the flip is fake.
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    why are you asking like you are. Seems wierd the info you desire
  • r00kies101r00kies101 Posts: 263 ✭✭
    Sorry, but both card and holder are FAKE.

    Did you end up getting the card?
  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479


    << <i>Sorry, but both card and holder are FAKE.

    Did you end up getting the card? >>




    Considering every poster except hammered has said the card is fake and this person seems to still question it, I'm leaning to they have either already purchased the card or are trying to sell it some where and wanted positive responses here....
  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Sorry, but both card and holder are FAKE.

    Did you end up getting the card? >>




    Considering every poster except hammered has said the card is fake and this person seems to still question it, I'm leaning to they have either already purchased the card or are trying to sell it some where and wanted positive responses here.... >>




    I keep forgettong that sarcasm is wasted on the simple-minded
  • TheBusinessTheBusiness Posts: 136


    << <i>it's called making sure, because it does look good. I see a graded psa 4 mantle, what other people see is maybe an old psa lable? This card could've been graded years ago, keep that in mind. I am asking if people are for certain that this card could be a fake. >>

    No, it's called you asking the same question over and over until you hear the answer that you want to hear...even if it's the wrong answer...and in this case it most certainly is.

    BTW, that card is garbage. image
  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Sorry, but both card and holder are FAKE.

    Did you end up getting the card? >>




    Considering every poster except hammered has said the card is fake and this person seems to still question it, I'm leaning to they have either already purchased the card or are trying to sell it some where and wanted positive responses here.... >>




    I keep forgettong that sarcasm is wasted on the simple-minded >>




    It is very easy to detect sarcasm is text.

    Edit to add

    "It is very difficult to detect sarcasm in writing due to lack of intonation and facial expressions."
  • DialjDialj Posts: 1,636 ✭✭
    Run Forrest Run!!
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  • 1acid1acid Posts: 268
    That card even looks bad to me...
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    The card is definitely fake. In addition to the bad label, the colors on the front look too subdued/washed out. If you pay anything more than $5, you've paid too much!
  • TonyCTonyC Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>im getting the feeling that the OP has already bought the fake slab >>



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  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    I could care less about the holder, flip PSA etc.

    The card inside this hoider is NOT authentic. It is one of the fakes with the washed out image and the way too dark and bold top and bottom black border lines.

    These cards are easy to spot if you just look at the dark black line around the image, way too dark compared to the image.
  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    80s...I sure hope you didnt buy that card before getting opinions, because its a fake for sure. That label jumped out at me before I finished scrolling down to the card. If you dont want to take the advice from those here, do some research on it. There is plenty of info on fake 52 Mantles and fake slabs on the internet. We did our research. Thats how we came to our conclusion.

    Also...if you didnt buy the card yet, ask the seller for a scan of the card against a black background. That slab probably has more frosting than a birthday cake.


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  • thedutymonthedutymon Posts: 4,323 ✭


    << <i>
    Also...if you didnt buy the card yet, ask the seller for a scan of the card against a black background. That slab probably has more frosting than a birthday cake. >>



    Actually should be easy for him to scan, as He Has Already bought the Card! Notice he quit posting about as he licks his wounds or worse case tries to pawn it off on the next Sucker!

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    I'd hit it

    not

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  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>
    Also...if you didnt buy the card yet, ask the seller for a scan of the card against a black background. That slab probably has more frosting than a birthday cake. >>



    Actually should be easy for him to scan, as He Has Already bought the Card! Notice he quit posting about as he licks his wounds or worse case tries to pawn it off on the next Sucker!

    Neil >>




    Assuming he was being honest was wasn't the con man to begin with.
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  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 910 ✭✭✭
    The black border is all wrong. You will either have the top border extending on both sides or you will have the print pixel missing. This card has neither.
  • thedutymonthedutymon Posts: 4,323 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>
    Also...if you didnt buy the card yet, ask the seller for a scan of the card against a black background. That slab probably has more frosting than a birthday cake. >>



    Actually should be easy for him to scan, as He Has Already bought the Card! Notice he quit posting about as he licks his wounds or worse case tries to pawn it off on the next Sucker!

    Neil >>




    Assuming he was being honest was wasn't the con man to begin with. >>



    Didn't say he was, but when you get the same answer to a question a dozen times and continue to Ignore the answers, it brings into question why your asking the question to begin with !! image

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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭


    << <i>I think its just an old psa label. >>



    My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!
  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It just hit me that the OPs user name is a combination of 2 previous dead beat members.
    80'sJunkie and ToppsCollector

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  • kgibsonkgibson Posts: 264 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Also...if you didnt buy the card yet, ask the seller for a scan of the card against a black background. That slab probably has more frosting than a birthday cake. >>



    My question is will the holder ALWAYS show signs of tampering, such as frosting, cracks, etc..? Or has anyone ever seen a fake card and/or flip in a perfect holder?
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    eminence front.
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    no one knows what it's like to be the bad man

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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    WORST FAKE EVER
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  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My question is will the holder ALWAYS show signs of tampering, such as frosting, cracks, etc..? Or has anyone ever seen a fake card and/or flip in a perfect holder? >>



    kgibson, I havent seen it. I have seen where only the top or bottom of the slab will show evidence of tampering. Sometimes they leave the original flip in and only replace the card. In this case...the flip and the card have been replaced.

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  • nightcrawler729nightcrawler729 Posts: 470 ✭✭
    I think this Mantle was the one in this thread from 2 years ago (the Craigslist flips). But unfortunately the old image/link no longer exists.

    1952 Mantle PSA 4 Fake Flip Thread
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  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭


    << <i>eminence front. >>



    It's a put-on
  • thedutymonthedutymon Posts: 4,323 ✭


    << <i>eminence front. >>



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  • kingnascarkingnascar Posts: 636 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It just hit me that the OPs user name is a combination of 2 previous dead beat members.
    80'sJunkie and ToppsCollector >>



    Maybe we are being tested instead.

    I say fake in every way.

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I'm kinda partial to "Don't Let Go the Coat".
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllll!

    Wait, what was this thread about?
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