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1921 Pilgrim "Big hat" or "State II"

KaelasdadKaelasdad Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭
I just picked up a really neat Pilgrim for my 7070 and while admiring it, I saw some clash marks--which got me to really scour the coin with a loupe--It turns out this is somewhat of a variety. I have no additional information other than a reference to "Big hat"--since die polishing made it look like the hat was too big for the pilgrims head, or also referred to as a "State II" coin--this coin has a clash in front of the nose, some other minor clashing on the obverse--and i can clearly see part of R, the entire U, a little of the S and the N of In God We Trust on the reverse.

Anyone have any additional information--one reference called this extremely scarce, but I would also like to know what board members can add.

Yes, those are die polish marks

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  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    You indeed have a 'large hat' or clash dies variety. This one was struck a little later than most clashed dies since the dimple in front of the nose is not as prominent than coins that were immediately struck from reworked dies. Although scarce, this coin is not rare. I have handled over 40 issues over the years. They come well struck with heavy die striations on the obverse. It is not recognized by the cherry pickers guide and thus not labeled as such by the major TPGs. The variety is fairly available in grades CH BU and higher since the 1921 did not circulate to a great extent like the 1920 brethren. The premium value is about 20-35% over regular prices.


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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have one of these and have always found it intriguing. Kaelasdad has provided a good picture of the die polish in the field in front of the nose. One of the commemorative books talks about the "Large Hat" issue, I just don't recall which book it is. Nice coin!

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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
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    I have been collecting this variety for many years. Anthony Swiatek wrote about this variety in SILVER & GOLD COMMEMORATIVE COINS 1892-1989, and that is what got me started collecting the variety. This one is Variety 1 State 2, meaning it also has clashing on the reverse, right above the stern at the back, and under the E in TER, sticking out from the sail.

    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Here is another Large Hat Pilgrim. I thought there would be more discussion on this neat variety.


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    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mozin, there would be more discussion if you made it a giveaway...I'll take whichever one you like the least. image
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting, I was not aware of this variety... Cheers, RickO
  • Anthony J. Swiatek writes in Commemorative Coins of the United States (published by Coin World, 2001)...

    "While studying this issue, I discovered several 1921 half dollars that showed evidence of die clashing, and called the variety the Pilgrim 1921 Type II. My discovery concerns a lump in front of Bradford's nose, several tiny bumps behind his head above the hat brim, a raised area below the RU in TRUST and the comical hat that doesn't quite fit Bradford's head.

    "Using film positives we can prove that the lumps were the result of clashed dies and the ill-fitting hat the result of die polishing, which was probably an attempt at eliminating the clash marks. Clash marks occur when a planchet fails to feed into the press and the dies hit each other without the planchet between them to absorb the blow. Consequently, the outline of the design details from each die is transferred to the other die.

    "The faces of dies are normally slightly convex so that they impart a slight concavity to the field of the coins they strike. Because the dies are convex, the centers of the dies hit first and hit hardest, with the result that the design nearest the center is more subject to the die clash transfer.

    "The film positives were used as overlays to show the lump in front of Bradford's nose corresponds to the area below the sail of the foremast, the tiny bumps behind the head match spaces between the waves below the center of the ship, and the raised area below RU corresponds to the curved lower edge of the sail at the Mayflower's stern. The reverse has no clash marks, possibly indicating that the reverse die had been changed after the clashing and probably because of it.

    "Some 1920 Pilgrim's exist that exhibit obverse die clash marks and/or display the clash marked letters US (inverted) from the word TRUST. This too can be seen on many of the 1921 specimens, indicating this reverse die used to make the 1920 coinage was used for the 1921 coin. Using 10X magnification, the governor's index finger and collar also can be observed beneath the letters ER of TERCENTENARY and under the sail design, to the left of the rear mast, respectively.

    "Possibly 100 such 1921 pieces exist, but premiums asked for the offered grade have been negligible to date. Fascination with the variety has not been overwhelming, possibly because of its infrequent appearances and lack of serious promotion. Die doubling on the reverse word PILGRIM, 1620 and the letters NARY of TERCENTENARY exist on the 1920 coin. No counterfeits have yet to surface."


    (Note that Breen made no mention of this variety).

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  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    "Possibly 100 such 1921 pieces exist, but premiums asked for the offered grade have been negligible to date"


    I have to disagree with the estimate of 100 pieces since I have handled 30-35 different specimens myself. I would estimate the figure to be more like 500 coins. There are various states of the clashed dies, one being coins struck immediately after the clash, whereby the dimple in front of the nose is very pronounced. The later clash strikes tend to have diminished prominence of the dimple characteristics and well as less prominent die striations from the relapping of the dies by mint workers.


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