Ebay offers this other approach when selling a card. Its called an auction. They currently have 2 cards I would like but the BIN is too high. I would ask 4 sharp corners to put the Pete Rose card in an auction to find out what its true worth is.
If 4SC had meant to list a card with a $300 BIN, but accidentally listed it with a $400 BIN, would someone that buys it for $400 receive a $100 refund? I wonder.
<< <i>From where does 4SC pick up all their inventory for the huge PSA subs? >>
The same places other dealers do except they buy in bulk and sub in bulk. >>
Honestly? Not certain that's right. There's so much raw stuff in great condition, even from the '60s, that they are supposedly getting consistently, that it is hard to believe there's not something else going on. I am sensing from his posts that Burgundy has an idea but so far he isn't saying.
<< <i>If 4SC had meant to list a card with a $300 BIN, but accidentally listed it with a $400 BIN, would someone that buys it for $400 receive a $100 refund? I wonder. >>
Good point.
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<< <i>If 4SC had meant to list a card with a $300 BIN, but accidentally listed it with a $400 BIN, would someone that buys it for $400 receive a $100 refund? I wonder. >>
I seriously doubt it. They have been fishing on Jeter collectors. Cards that normally sell for $10-$20 they start auction for $100 sometimes more. Then weekly they reduce the card when it doesn't sell. Then eventually the card sells @ $10-$20. Isn't that a big waste of $ in listing fees? Someone mentioned they might be hurting. If that is the case. Well maybe wasting all those fees on fishing for a sucker fish should be something they consider not doing. With all the talk about leaving them a neg. I don't think they care if a neg is left or not. It appears they lost their Top-Rated seller status. This must have happened recently because last month they had the status. Now they don't. I guess they now need to make up for that 20% discount they used to get.
I could be wrong but aren't those the guys that buy collections and sell the good stuff under the ID being discussed and then dump the rest at newenglandsportscards?
<< <i>we have agreed at $175 and said they apolized for the error. it still dont agree but life goes on... >>
Well, you agreed enough to agree to the price.
Had I been the seller of this card, I would have probably just sent you $20-30 through paypal apologizing for the listing error and relisted the card at the price I want. Offering a "discounted" price well above what they already agreed to sell it to you for seems like they're trying to pull the old bait and switch.
Exactly. Of course we see many a pile-on post here to BBL a buyer who "made a mistake" and decides not to follow through on the purchase. A totally acceptable response in my view. There are plenty of deadbeat buyers and there are plenty of subpar sellers.
For sellers who "make a mistake" and refuse to sell, they should be negged without hesitation. If you need to buy from them in the future (since they'll block you after the neg), just set up a different buyer's account. Easy enough.
Anybody--seller or buyer--can decide not to proceed with a deal on eBay. I can--and do--also decide to neg or BBL them for such "mistakes."
<< <i>For sellers who "make a mistake" and refuse to sell, they should be negged without hesitation. If you need to buy from them in the future (since they'll block you after the neg), just set up a different buyer's account. Easy enough. >>
"...For sellers who "make a mistake" and refuse to sell, they should be negged without hesitation. If you need to buy from them in the future (since they'll block you after the neg), just set up a different buyer's account. Easy enough...."
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Setting up an alt to circumvent a BBL is a VERY risky enterprise. Doing it to a sophisticated/evil seller is a near certain path to permanent NARUville. MANY buyers do it successfully, but if they do it to the "wrong" seller they will fast be history.
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<< <i>EBAY is the ONLY commerce format on the planet that gives lowlife peasants the power to destroy a going biznez when that biznez makes ONE mistake.
Setting up an alt to circumvent a BBL is a VERY risky enterprise. Doing it to a sophisticated/evil seller is a near certain path to permanent NARUville. MANY buyers do it successfully, but if they do it to the "wrong" seller they will fast be history. >>
4SC has hardly made ONE "mistake," in my opinion. By having the power of alternatives, consumers can punish poorly performing businesses in venues outside eBay as well. Even if one didn't neg 4SC, this kind of "mistake" is costing them business simply by virtue of this board discussion. They'll hardly be destroyed by this episode, though their reputation has been further sullied.
Yes, I'm aware setting up an alt carries risk--but it can be quite easily done without detection.
I don't leave negative feedback often, mind you. I simply stated I would do so in this case. And for sellers that perform well, I reward them with heavy repeat purchase activity.
i find it humourous that one would consider creating another ID to continue buying from a dealer who just blocked them because their previous ID complained about crappy product or service.
what motivation would you have to continue buying from someone who pisses you off? and to circumvent rules to be pissed again, it sounds like an exercise in self-abuse.
with few exceptions, there isn't much these fellas have that someone else won't eventually have as well.
<< <i>i find it humourous that one would consider creating another ID to continue buying from a dealer who just blocked them because their previous ID complained about crappy product or service.
what motivation would you have to continue buying from someone who pisses you off? and to circumvent rules to be pissed again, it sounds like an exercise in self-abuse.
with few exceptions, there isn't much these fellas have that someone else won't eventually have as well. >>
I was addressing those who seemingly have to continue buying from 4SC. Personally, I agree with you. I would neg them and move along, knowing that I wouldn't want to do business with them again and knowing they would block me. I would rather forgo the card if they were the only supplier. However, a buyer alt is an option for those who can't get their card fix elsewhere.
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<< <i>From where does 4SC pick up all their inventory for the huge PSA subs? >>
The same places other dealers do except they buy in bulk and sub in bulk.
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<< <i>From where does 4SC pick up all their inventory for the huge PSA subs? >>
The same places other dealers do except they buy in bulk and sub in bulk. >>
Honestly? Not certain that's right. There's so much raw stuff in great condition, even from the '60s, that they are supposedly getting consistently, that it is hard to believe there's not something else going on. I am sensing from his posts that Burgundy has an idea but so far he isn't saying.
<< <i>If 4SC had meant to list a card with a $300 BIN, but accidentally listed it with a $400 BIN, would someone that buys it for $400 receive a $100 refund? I wonder. >>
Good point.
<< <i>If 4SC had meant to list a card with a $300 BIN, but accidentally listed it with a $400 BIN, would someone that buys it for $400 receive a $100 refund? I wonder. >>
I seriously doubt it. They have been fishing on Jeter collectors. Cards that normally sell for $10-$20 they start auction for $100 sometimes more. Then weekly they reduce the card when it doesn't sell. Then eventually the card sells @ $10-$20. Isn't that a big waste of $ in listing fees? Someone mentioned they might be hurting. If that is the case. Well maybe wasting all those fees on fishing for a sucker fish should be something they consider not doing. With all the talk about leaving them a neg. I don't think they care if a neg is left or not. It appears they lost their Top-Rated seller status. This must have happened recently because last month they had the status. Now they don't. I guess they now need to make up for that 20% discount they used to get.
if someone on this message board had done this, they would be berated...repeatedly
people here are actually sticking up for these guys?
sorry this happened...
they should stand by their auction...
eat the mistake and learn to proofread/double-check...
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<< <i>very comical...
if someone on this message board had done this, they would be berated...repeatedly
people here are actually sticking up for these guys?
sorry this happened...
they should stand by their auction...
eat the mistake and learn to proofread/double-check... >>
If I did that to someone on here. I would never hear the end of it.
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Glad it worked out dawg.
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<< <i>we have agreed at $175 and said they apolized for the error. it still dont agree but life goes on... >>
Well, you agreed enough to agree to the price.
Had I been the seller of this card, I would have probably just sent you $20-30 through paypal apologizing for the listing error and relisted the card at the price I want. Offering a "discounted" price well above what they already agreed to sell it to you for seems like they're trying to pull the old bait and switch.
<< <i>absolute truths
1. a buyer cannot force a seller to ship
2. a seller cannot force a buyer to pay
move on >>
Exactly. Of course we see many a pile-on post here to BBL a buyer who "made a mistake" and decides not to follow through on the purchase. A totally acceptable response in my view. There are plenty of deadbeat buyers and there are plenty of subpar sellers.
For sellers who "make a mistake" and refuse to sell, they should be negged without hesitation. If you need to buy from them in the future (since they'll block you after the neg), just set up a different buyer's account. Easy enough.
Anybody--seller or buyer--can decide not to proceed with a deal on eBay. I can--and do--also decide to neg or BBL them for such "mistakes."
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<< <i>For sellers who "make a mistake" and refuse to sell, they should be negged without hesitation. If you need to buy from them in the future (since they'll block you after the neg), just set up a different buyer's account. Easy enough. >>
Dan
That could get someone suspended from ebay.
Steve
"...For sellers who "make a mistake" and refuse to sell, they should be negged without hesitation. If you need to buy from them in the future (since they'll block you after the neg), just set up a different buyer's account. Easy enough...."
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EBAY is the ONLY commerce format on the planet that gives lowlife peasants
the power to destroy a going biznez when that biznez makes ONE mistake.
Setting up an alt to circumvent a BBL is a VERY risky enterprise. Doing it to a
sophisticated/evil seller is a near certain path to permanent NARUville. MANY
buyers do it successfully, but if they do it to the "wrong" seller they will fast
be history.
<< <i>EBAY is the ONLY commerce format on the planet that gives lowlife peasants
the power to destroy a going biznez when that biznez makes ONE mistake.
Setting up an alt to circumvent a BBL is a VERY risky enterprise. Doing it to a
sophisticated/evil seller is a near certain path to permanent NARUville. MANY
buyers do it successfully, but if they do it to the "wrong" seller they will fast
be history. >>
4SC has hardly made ONE "mistake," in my opinion. By having the power of alternatives, consumers can punish poorly performing businesses in venues outside eBay as well. Even if one didn't neg 4SC, this kind of "mistake" is costing them business simply by virtue of this board discussion. They'll hardly be destroyed by this episode, though their reputation has been further sullied.
Yes, I'm aware setting up an alt carries risk--but it can be quite easily done without detection.
I don't leave negative feedback often, mind you. I simply stated I would do so in this case. And for sellers that perform well, I reward them with heavy repeat purchase activity.
what motivation would you have to continue buying from someone who pisses you off? and to circumvent rules to be pissed again, it sounds like an exercise in self-abuse.
with few exceptions, there isn't much these fellas have that someone else won't eventually have as well.
<< <i>i find it humourous that one would consider creating another ID to continue buying from a dealer who just blocked them because their previous ID complained about crappy product or service.
what motivation would you have to continue buying from someone who pisses you off? and to circumvent rules to be pissed again, it sounds like an exercise in self-abuse.
with few exceptions, there isn't much these fellas have that someone else won't eventually have as well. >>
I was addressing those who seemingly have to continue buying from 4SC. Personally, I agree with you. I would neg them and move along, knowing that I wouldn't want to do business with them again and knowing they would block me. I would rather forgo the card if they were the only supplier. However, a buyer alt is an option for those who can't get their card fix elsewhere.
I entered an all out snipe at 1000.00 and someone else all outed as well. I can't pay 1000.00 for a 400.00 card.
Make me.