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Buyer leaves + feedback for this 79 Ozzie Smith. A shame or a scam?
yankeeno7
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All you have to do is search the threads from a couple weeks ago and know this 1979 Ozzie Smith was discussed here because the seller 1) used a bad pic 2) Inaccurately described the auction and 3) refused to correct the auction ...as far as refusing to correct the auction, the seller stated he could not amend the description because the auction already had bids. But as he was told, he could have ended the auction and listed it correctly but he did not.
Congrats to that seller for getting positive feedback (thats sarcastic). So is this a shame or is it a scam? A shame because he got one over on an uneducated buyer or a scam because he knew the flack he took and had a friend buy it so he could get positive feedback and say "look, there was nothing wrong with what I did!".
Personally, I think its probably just a shame that he got one over on an uneducated buyer.
The things that are concerning though....
-raw Ozzie Smith rookies rarely sell that high
-dishonesty of the seller has already been accurately shown
-failure to take responsibility for auctions
-has a history of keyword spamming
-proud of all of the above
79 Ozzie
So my final impression....this is a shame with scam involved. Get in before the lock! hahaha
Congrats to that seller for getting positive feedback (thats sarcastic). So is this a shame or is it a scam? A shame because he got one over on an uneducated buyer or a scam because he knew the flack he took and had a friend buy it so he could get positive feedback and say "look, there was nothing wrong with what I did!".
Personally, I think its probably just a shame that he got one over on an uneducated buyer.
The things that are concerning though....
-raw Ozzie Smith rookies rarely sell that high
-dishonesty of the seller has already been accurately shown
-failure to take responsibility for auctions
-has a history of keyword spamming
-proud of all of the above
79 Ozzie
So my final impression....this is a shame with scam involved. Get in before the lock! hahaha
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I've had 4 people leave feedback for the cards they have received and one board member purchased some cards off me that he should have received yesterday or will be receiving Monday.
This is completely untrue and you really should remove this post.
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Buyer
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Oh I'd like to add...
-raw Ozzie Smith rookies rarely sell that high
~You told me yourself "Luck and timing"
-dishonesty of the seller has already been accurately shown
~I'm sorry you feel that my grading isn't up to par, don't buy from me
-failure to take responsibility for auctions
~Do you see all my current auctions? Nothing like previous, I had someone listing them and told him to NOT do what he did... And he isn't
-has a history of keyword spamming
~I had a bryce harper posted, if one auction (And an accidental one with an actual Michael Jordan listing) count as a HISTORY then I wonder what you have a history of....
-proud of all of the above
~I would definitely not have changed the auctions if I was "proud" of all of the above, you are assuming and quite wrong. >>
<< <i>Pretty hefty accusations, this is libel.
I've had 4 people leave feedback for the cards they have received and one board member purchased some cards off me that he should have received yesterday or will be receiving Monday.
This is completely untrue and you really should remove this post.
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Buyer >>
But yet you had no problem retracting your bid and saying Mike was shilling his Harper card, you are an idiot.
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<< <i>Pretty hefty accusations, this is libel.
I've had 4 people leave feedback for the cards they have received and one board member purchased some cards off me that he should have received yesterday or will be receiving Monday.
This is completely untrue and you really should remove this post.
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Buyer >>
But yet you had no problem retracting your bid and saying Mike was shilling his Harper card, you are an idiot. >>
Nah, it's ok, Yank made it so it's beyond easy to actually take legal action.
I said I removed my bid because I felt a certain way, this is beyond "feeling", he made a post and is accusing me of feedback fraud - which I'm sure ebay will be happy to support that I have not done.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
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<< <i>Pretty hefty accusations, this is libel.
I've had 4 people leave feedback for the cards they have received and one board member purchased some cards off me that he should have received yesterday or will be receiving Monday.
This is completely untrue and you really should remove this post.
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Buyer >>
But yet you had no problem retracting your bid and saying Mike was shilling his Harper card, you are an idiot. >>
Nah, it's ok, Yank made it so it's beyond easy to actually take legal action.
I said I removed my bid because I felt a certain way, this is beyond "feeling", he made a post and is accusing me of feedback fraud - which I'm sure ebay will be happy to support that I have not done. >>
I'm sure it will go higher but I DO NOT want to deal with ANYONE shilling their own auctions.
Those were the exact words you typed, idiot.
-raw Ozzie Smith rookies rarely sell that high
Truth: This raw 1979 Topps Smith sells higher than normal. There is only one on ebay that sold higher, none others come close. Just look at ebay completed items.
-dishonesty of the seller has already been shown
Truth: READ HERE READ HERE 2
-failure to take responsibility for auctions
Truth: blames on "friend" posting auctions and refuses to end auctions to make right. Read links above.
-Has history of keyword spamming
Truth: Seller has admitted to this. Read links above.
-proud of all of the above.
Truth: Again, easy to see with the sellers attitude in the links above.
-bad pic
Truth: Here's the pic used in the auction...
-inaccurately describes auctions
Truth: Listed card as MINT. Maybe I have lost my ability to read?
So, other than that, I just said what I think...Only you and possibly another party or two may know the truth. Tell me, what here is not accurate?
<< <i>I absolutely love it when a board member threatens "legal action" against another board member. That's one of my favorite things that happens here. >>
ABSOLUTELY!!!! Nothing makes popcorn girl happier! Speaking of which, where is she??????
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<< <i>I absolutely love it when a board member threatens "legal action" against another board member. That's one of my favorite things that happens here. >>
ABSOLUTELY!!!! Nothing makes popcorn girl happier! Speaking of which, where is she?????? >>
We're having some Mexican food later tonight.
<< <i>Let's not forget here, Sean, just because people leave you positive feedback doesnt mean you have been on the up and up. There is one ebay seller discussed here often with THOUSANDS of positive FB and we know what he is up to. >>
Don't ignore the fact the feedback was left on the one transaction that you used to base your entire argument on, and since it defaulted what you had to say you had to come up with something else... I wonder who else was like that, oh right Pres Bush.
Glad I didn't bid on that card.
My seeing eye dog is an excellent grader.
I buy up UD Griffeys at $8 a pop and if they are centered they pull 20-25 all day on the bay....
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Don't ignore the fact the feedback was left on the one transaction that you used to base your entire argument on, and since it defaulted what you had to say you had to come up with something else... I wonder who else was like that, oh right Pres Bush. >>
That's libel! Im telling President Bush to contact his lawyers and start legal action immediately!!!!
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Don't ignore the fact the feedback was left on the one transaction that you used to base your entire argument on, and since it defaulted what you had to say you had to come up with something else... I wonder who else was like that, oh right Pres Bush. >>
That's libel! Im telling President Bush to contact his lawyers and start legal action immediately!!!! >>
There's a difference between opinion and accusation, I suggest you learn it.
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Don't ignore the fact the feedback was left on the one transaction that you used to base your entire argument on, and since it defaulted what you had to say you had to come up with something else... I wonder who else was like that, oh right Pres Bush. >>
That's libel! Im telling President Bush to contact his lawyers and start legal action immediately!!!! >>
It's not libel unless it was posted in a chat forum.
<< <i>Glad I didn't bid on that card.
My seeing eye dog is an excellent grader. >>
Edit: Also do not reply to the box breaks we are doing, as you are banned from those.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Sean you obviously have some problems... Maybe you should look into that... just saying. >>
Ok, so "put my shoes on for a minute"
Someone posts a completely false accusation about you committing feedback fraud, accuses you of "see list above"
What would you do?
This thread is being videotaped in front of a postal employee.
<< <i>This thread is being videotaped in front of a postal employee. >>
Haven't had one return yet mate. Keep em coming I'm getting my weeks laughs.
<< <i>Sean you obviously have some problems... Maybe you should look into that... just saying.
Edit: Also do not reply to the box breaks we are doing, as you are banned from those. >>
Now now...play fair...only hurting BBCX with a ban.
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<< <i>Sean you obviously have some problems... Maybe you should look into that... just saying. >>
Ok, so "put my shoes on for a minute"
Someone posts a completely false accusation about you committing feedback fraud, accuses you of "see list above"
What would you do? >>
So prove me wrong, Sean. I dont see you giving good reasons to explain any of what I listed. Therefore, is it true? All you are doing is yelling that they are all false. If you prove me wrong, I will gladly admit I went overboard and give you a public apology.
<< <i>This thread is being videotaped in front of a postal employee. >>
I need to put some pants on.
If you want to be an honest seller, you could have ended that auction and reposted with an accurate description and a good pic. Even after letting that auction ended, you could have contacted the winner of the auction and disclosed that the card is NOT mint and the issues with the card (corner damage) and maybe even sent him another pic so he could decide if he still wanted to pay that kind of money for a raw 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith.
I cant believe that needs to be explained to you. In fact, its so unbelievable, thats why you are getting such flack for your auctions.
<< <i>Here is a lesson for you....ahhheeeemmmm....
If you want to be an honest seller, you could have ended that auction and reposted with an accurate description and a good pic. Even after letting that auction ended, you could have contacted the winner of the auction and disclosed that the card is NOT mint and the issues with the card (corner damage) and maybe even sent him another pic so he could decide if he still wanted to pay that kind of money for a raw 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith.
I cant believe that needs to be explained to you. In fact, its so unbelievable, thats why you are getting such flack for your auctions. >>
Because you are aware of the message I sent him saying I did not think the card was up to par and picture did it a bit too much justice and if he wanted to return it I would issue him a full refund including shipping.
Correct?
Patrick,
Have fun having Mexican with popcorn girl tonight. I'm actually going out for some wild wings later.
And people wonder why they still allow fighting in hockey.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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<< <i>I'm in before the lock!!!
Patrick,
Have fun having Mexican with popcorn girl tonight. I'm actually going out for some wild wings later.
And people wonder why they still allow fighting in hockey.
Thank you sir...had wild wings the other night...they were too hot for me
edit: have fun with the wings tonight
<< <i>Because you are aware of the message I sent him saying I did not think the card was up to par and picture did it a bit too much justice and if he wanted to return it I would issue him a full refund including shipping.
Correct? >>
Not that there's any way to ever know for sure, but right now I'm trying to contemplate what kind of odds I would need to place a bet on "the claim made above is true".
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
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<< <i>I'm in before the lock!!!
Patrick,
Have fun having Mexican with popcorn girl tonight. I'm actually going out for some wild wings later.
And people wonder why they still allow fighting in hockey.
Thank you sir...had wild wings the other night...they were too hot for me
I'd say something to you but you have yet to actually do anything other than simply post in the thread... I'm a heat junkie!
Just read yankeeno's links.
Sean, shouldn't list cards like that. Tisk Tisk.
Bosox1976
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<< <i>Here is a lesson for you....ahhheeeemmmm....
If you want to be an honest seller, you could have ended that auction and reposted with an accurate description and a good pic. Even after letting that auction ended, you could have contacted the winner of the auction and disclosed that the card is NOT mint and the issues with the card (corner damage) and maybe even sent him another pic so he could decide if he still wanted to pay that kind of money for a raw 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith.
I cant believe that needs to be explained to you. In fact, its so unbelievable, thats why you are getting such flack for your auctions. >>
Because you are aware of the message I sent him saying I did not think the card was up to par and picture did it a bit too much justice and if he wanted to return it I would issue him a full refund including shipping.
Correct? >>
You knew the card was NOT mint before you began the auction. Whatever messages you sent after the auction began are somewhat irrelevant. Not showing the bottom border of the card may or may not have been an accident, but surely you noticed the creased top left corner and rounded top right corner. You sold a card that, if slabbed, would be a "6" and you labeled it as MINT. Just my 2 cents..
Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
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Oh I'd like to add...
-raw Ozzie Smith rookies rarely sell that high
~You told me yourself "Luck and timing"
-dishonesty of the seller has already been accurately shown
~I'm sorry you feel that my grading isn't up to par, don't buy from me
-failure to take responsibility for auctions
~Do you see all my current auctions? Nothing like previous, I had someone listing them and told him to NOT do what he did... And he isn't
-has a history of keyword spamming
~I had a bryce harper posted, if one auction (And an accidental one with an actual Michael Jordan listing) count as a HISTORY then I wonder what you have a history of....
-proud of all of the above
~I would definitely not have changed the auctions if I was "proud" of all of the above, you are assuming and quite wrong. >>
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So where is it that what Im saying is not true? LOL You just proved to be true what I said with this edit that I just notice LOL
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Because you are aware of the message I sent him saying I did not think the card was up to par and picture did it a bit too much justice and if he wanted to return it I would issue him a full refund including shipping.
Correct? >>
Hmm...so this makes me curious...since you supposedly sent him that message, did you offer him a discount? He was happy to know that he was paying for a card that was not as advertised AFTER the auction ended? Or did you both agree to cancel the transaction and for you being sooooo honest to tell him that the card wasnt up to par, was there an agreement for positive feedback left? He was happy to pay that price?
<< <i>Yeah - where the heck is popcorn girl? >>
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Actually, I would have never had made this thread if I didnt get a bunch of stupid PMs from Sean about this auction. Thanks for the fun!
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Born, born to be SNAD
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As I said from the get-go, this guy is a tool... For those that defended him and/or still wish to deal with him, do so at your own risk. I certainly will avoid him like the plague.