Bear, I really like your taste in coins, and also the idea of the trust/investment setup. Since I grew up watching Yogi Bear and Boo Boo on TV as a kid, I was wondering if you came up with this idea on your own, or did you have some help
Also, do you have a seller in mind for the coins if early liquidation is necessary or needed 10 years down the road? Thanks------BigE
I was curious if your purpose in putting this set together is mainly for investment. I know it's for a trust-type device. It seems like you are adding coins very quickly and mostly in the higher tiered investor type of grades. Nothing wrong with that. Some of us take a long time hunting and searching for exactly that one right additional coin and others buy mainly for investment purposes. Nothing wrong with either. It just seems that Mr. Bear was at one point a passionate advocate for the joy of the 'hunt' and selecting just the right addition with caution whereas now it looks like investing is a main goal.
I am just constantly being drawn back to the 48-D Booker T. Washington Commem. That is one fantastic coin. Of course I haven't seen a slouch in the entire collection but the BTW just flat blows me away. Good work my friend.
Ron
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
<< <i>Super new Liberty Standing Quarter PCGS MS-67FH.
This is the first MS-67 that I have really liked. Was it
expensive,,,,,,,,,,don't even ask.I believe that this
beauty is worthy of a PLUS grade. >>
Actually a 1929-S and not a 1928-S as mentioned in the title.
Bear have you seen this SLQ in hand yet... If so how do you feel about the right thigh region being obliterated due to a weak strike?
Interestingly enough out of most likely more then 500 29-S's I've seen in hand and many more via the web this is only the second I've seen struck so weakly on the right thigh the other being an AU58FH.
To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
Wow. That was quick. For the long term, and speaking of this amount of capital, I'd appreciate someone who spent a few years accumulating a great box of coins rather than this mostly widgety stuff accumulated in a very, very, short period of time. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Richard Pryor, Brewster's Millions. To each his own, thats what makes our hobby fun. I hope it works out, I really mean that.
<< <i>Wow. That was quick. For the long term, and speaking of this amount of capital, I'd appreciate someone who spent a few years accumulating a great box of coins rather than this mostly widgety stuff accumulated in a very, very, short period of time. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Richard Pryor, Brewster's Millions. To each his own, thats what makes our hobby fun. I hope it works out, I really mean that. >>
"Mostly widgety"
What are you talking about? These are choice examples. All have either nice clean whiteness or beautiful toning. Each of these coins DEFINITELY goes for a large premium over retail guide. How in the world is that "widgety"? Widgety is something that goes at or under guide because it grades technically as MS67 but looks poor. Not these, these look terrific.
There are a couple on there that make me want to befriend Bear's two cubs and hope they let me buy them in ten years!
Also, why should it matter how long it takes to accumulate? It's not like the the top 1% of coins is somehow "hidden" and you have to search for decades to find them. They are out there and some are in strong hands and others can be attained. Bear is attaining some of the nice ones!
And in the case of the Seated Proofs those were a long time collection that just came available. So Bear had to pounce on that!
Those coins are all super-delicious, Bear. You really took the box-of-20/22 idea not only seriously, but to a raised bar level! That '91 Seated Half is just fantastic and I think the '08 half eagle should probably be a 66. I'm not a huge Walker fan, but your '42's reverse toning is awesome. Thanks for sharing your collection.
I never thought that growing old would happen so fast. - Jim
I was able to put this collection rather rapidly for the
following reasons.
1. My 40 years of collecting experience
2. I have an outstanding golden circle of dealers that have been extremely helpful.
3. I have not sought rare dates or necessarily the highest known graded coin. The coins must be high grade and be beautiful for the grade. I am mainly interested in lovely examples. Some may in fact be rare, but that was not my main purpose.
4. Timing. A whole bunch of coins in the grade and with the WOW factor appeared in a relatively short time. Since I had the money from the sale of my house, I was able to act rapidly to obtain the coins I wanted.
5. I may not have a lot of time on this good earth to complete this gift of love to my children, so speed is an important factor in assembling the Bear Estate Collection.
Finally, I wanted all of the Forum to share in the building of this collection, together with the basic plan and criteria for coin selection. Not only is it a pictorial tour, but It is my hope that it serves as a learning tool as to what really premium coins look like for the grade. If you look closely, you will see MS-64+ up to MS-67+ coins.
It even possible, that a lovely AU-58 coin or two may appear. Beautiful coins can appear in all grades and in all series. Except some series really look a lot better in very high grades.
Finally, I wanted all of the Forum to share in the building of this collection, together with the basic plan and criteria for coin selection. Not only is it a pictorial tour, but It is my hope that it serves as a learning tool as to what really premium coins look like for the grade. If you look closely, you will see MS-64+ up to MS-67+ coins.
Bear My Friend,
It is an honor you have given us and a kindness you have shown us to be included in the building of such a magnificent set. I for one am deeply touched that you care about your friends enough to include them in watching such a set come together. Bear you are truely a gentleman.
Many thanks for letting me enjoy watching the Bear Estate Collection come together.
Ron
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
"Wow. That was quick. For the long term, and speaking of this amount of capital, I'd appreciate someone who spent a few years accumulating a great box of coins rather than this mostly widgety stuff accumulated in a very, very, short period of time. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Richard Pryor, Brewster's Millions. To each his own, thats what makes our hobby fun. I hope it works out, I really mean that."
I think this person meant that Bear's collection is largely made up of coins that are readily available if you can afford to buy them. It depends on how you define 'widget.'
<< <i>"Wow. That was quick. For the long term, and speaking of this amount of capital, I'd appreciate someone who spent a few years accumulating a great box of coins rather than this mostly widgety stuff accumulated in a very, very, short period of time. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Richard Pryor, Brewster's Millions. To each his own, thats what makes our hobby fun. I hope it works out, I really mean that." .' >>
What are you smoking? You call these widgets??
All coins kept in bank vaults. PCGS Registries Box of 20 SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
Comments
Everyone needs a quiet time for reflection on exactly where I wish the collection to go.
However, with Laura advising me along the way, I do not think that I acan go too far wrong.
She wont let me screw up and I will forever be indebted to her, for her thoughtfulness and
kindness. It sure is nice to have a very savvy mentor on ones side.
Camelot
Hearing those magical words, I bought it without another squeek or peep. I must say, that
I am mighty glad I did. Coins of that grade and quality, may not be available at almost any
price, in a few years .Their beauty is just awe inspiring.
Camelot
jom
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Also, do you have a seller in mind for the coins if early liquidation is necessary or needed 10 years down the road? Thanks------BigE
about anything. It is my belief, that with my experience in coins and the mentorship of Laura,
I could assemble a mid range collection that in 10-20 years would afford a return, well in excess
of inflation while at the same time, I could be enjoying the investment as it grew. I guess it came
about because I am a coin collector. I have watched long term collections, choosen with quality in
mind, assume truly monumental monetary proportions. While my goals may be more modest, they
should also return good numbers. If you read my criteria thread for the collection, you will get an
idea about the thinking that went into setting up this collection. While my guidelines may not be
appropriate for everyone, the important things to remember are quality plus time equals return.
If the coins must be sold before the time period ids up, then the right of first refusal will go to the
specific dealers who sold each coin. After 20 years though, the collection will be auctioned or sold by
private treaty to a well heeled collector who wishes to pay for an instant quality collection.
Camelot
and notify me when such coins are available. The speed of growth in the collection is just due to
timing and fate. With the good advice from my 4 dealers, I am being well advised and well served.
Being retired, without the stress and strains of making a living, I have been able to spend full time
on behalf of my undertaking. I am also fortunate that the sale of my home afforded me the economic
ability, to afford top quality coins, which I have not really been able to do before. Of course, my medical
condition ,which affords me an unknown time on this good earth, is an inducement to get on with the task.
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I am just constantly being drawn back to the 48-D Booker T. Washington Commem. That is one fantastic coin. Of course I haven't seen a slouch in the entire collection but the BTW just flat blows me away. Good work my friend.
Ron
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This is the first MS-67 that I have really liked. Was it
expensive,,,,,,,,,,don't even ask.I believe that this
beauty is worthy of a PLUS grade.
Camelot
WOW! The 42 Walker stopped me - the colors - beautiful! The 1916 also - superb appeal! Knockout stuff
Best and thank you,
Eric
<< <i>Super new Liberty Standing Quarter PCGS MS-67FH.
This is the first MS-67 that I have really liked. Was it
expensive,,,,,,,,,,don't even ask.I believe that this
beauty is worthy of a PLUS grade. >>
Actually a 1929-S and not a 1928-S as mentioned in the title.
Bear have you seen this SLQ in hand yet... If so how do you feel about the right thigh region being obliterated due to a weak strike?
Interestingly enough out of most likely more then 500 29-S's I've seen in hand and many more via the web this is only the second I've seen struck so weakly on the right thigh the other being an AU58FH.
sold me on the coin. I guess that I am just a luster freak. You have very observant
ryrs and they will serve you well in you collecting efforts.
PS, I did correct the date. Thank you!
Camelot
<< <i>Yes , while I took that into account, the luster and the lack of ugly blotchy color
sold me on the coin. I guess that I am just a luster freak. You have very observant
ryrs and they will serve you well in you collecting efforts.
PS, I did correct the date. Thank you! >>
Well I got excited when I saw 28-S as that's a bit of a tougher date.
Image wise I like the skin on your 18-P better, but your 29-S could be from one of the 4 rolls that surfaced in the early to mid 90's?
That skin is what gives the coin a more subdued look. However
I just wanted a MS-67 blazer even, if it did not have a full strike.
The nice thing about ones collection, you get to do what you want.
I believe that the 1918 will plus on regrade.
Camelot
Camelot
you are an animal
I am buying the 1861 Liberty Seated Dollar and the 1868 Liberty Seated Dollar.
As many of you so aptly stated, this gives me the legend and non legend examples
plus one is a rare Cameo and the other is a rare 65+.
The only reason that I am passing on the 1970, is that its toning is almost black.
That is too dark to see the lovely features of the coin and it would not fit in with
the rest of the collection.
Not listed was a Barber quarter in MS66 DCAM that is just wonderful that I am buying
hopefully, all the three coins will be posted by Stefanie later this evening.
I thank everyone who participated in this most unusual opinion poll. You were all insightful, oerceptive
and most helpful in my reaching a consensus and a decision. You are all a very smart bunch of collectors.
Camelot
Edit: A fantastic Trade Dollar or Drapped Bust Coin with Heraldic Eagle....thoughts?
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
Then gonna gets me a Liberty Head $20 gold piece. Then I might rest a might.
Camelot
It seems to be a bit "Walker" heavy though. 5 of those already!
Keep "1942 Walking Liberty PCGS MS 67 CAC", it has some of the most unique colors I've seen on a Walker!
is a strong and upcoming series especially price wise.
Camelot
<< <i>I am telling you, MS-67 Walkers and 67+ Walkers, with color
is a strong and upcoming series especially price wise. >>
They are a rarity in comparison to other toner types. You are probably right! Now I want to buy some toner Walkers fast!
<< <i>Wow. That was quick. For the long term, and speaking of this amount of capital, I'd appreciate someone who spent a few years accumulating a great box of coins rather than this mostly widgety stuff accumulated in a very, very, short period of time. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Richard Pryor, Brewster's Millions. To each his own, thats what makes our hobby fun. I hope it works out, I really mean that. >>
"Mostly widgety"
What are you talking about? These are choice examples. All have either nice clean whiteness or beautiful toning. Each of these coins DEFINITELY goes for a large premium over retail guide. How in the world is that "widgety"? Widgety is something that goes at or under guide because it grades technically as MS67 but looks poor. Not these, these look terrific.
There are a couple on there that make me want to befriend Bear's two cubs and hope they let me buy them in ten years!
Also, why should it matter how long it takes to accumulate? It's not like the the top 1% of coins is somehow "hidden" and you have to search for decades to find them. They are out there and some are in strong hands and others can be attained. Bear is attaining some of the nice ones!
And in the case of the Seated Proofs those were a long time collection that just came available. So Bear had to pounce on that!
That '91 Seated Half is just fantastic and I think the '08 half eagle should probably be a 66.
I'm not a huge Walker fan, but your '42's reverse toning is awesome. Thanks for sharing your collection.
- Jim
following reasons.
1. My 40 years of collecting experience
2. I have an outstanding golden circle of
dealers that have been extremely helpful.
3. I have not sought rare dates or necessarily
the highest known graded coin. The coins must
be high grade and be beautiful for the grade. I
am mainly interested in lovely examples. Some may
in fact be rare, but that was not my main purpose.
4. Timing. A whole bunch of coins in the grade and
with the WOW factor appeared in a relatively short time.
Since I had the money from the sale of my house, I
was able to act rapidly to obtain the coins I wanted.
5. I may not have a lot of time on this good earth to
complete this gift of love to my children, so speed is
an important factor in assembling the Bear Estate
Collection.
Finally, I wanted all of the Forum to share in the building
of this collection, together with the basic plan and criteria
for coin selection. Not only is it a pictorial tour, but It is
my hope that it serves as a learning tool as to what really
premium coins look like for the grade. If you look closely,
you will see MS-64+ up to MS-67+ coins.
It even possible,
that a lovely AU-58 coin or two may appear. Beautiful coins
can appear in all grades and in all series. Except some series
really look a lot better in very high grades.
Camelot
Camelot
Larry L.
Camelot
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of this collection, together with the basic plan and criteria
for coin selection. Not only is it a pictorial tour, but It is
my hope that it serves as a learning tool as to what really
premium coins look like for the grade. If you look closely,
you will see MS-64+ up to MS-67+ coins.
Bear My Friend,
It is an honor you have given us and a kindness you have shown us to be included in the building of such a magnificent set. I for one am deeply touched that you care about your friends enough to include them in watching such a set come together. Bear you are truely a gentleman.
Many thanks for letting me enjoy watching the Bear Estate Collection come together.
Ron
Camelot
I think this person meant that Bear's collection is largely made up of coins that are readily available if you can afford to buy them. It depends on how you define 'widget.'
<< <i>"Wow. That was quick. For the long term, and speaking of this amount of capital, I'd appreciate someone who spent a few years accumulating a great box of coins rather than this mostly widgety stuff accumulated in a very, very, short period of time. Kinda reminds me of that movie with Richard Pryor, Brewster's Millions. To each his own, thats what makes our hobby fun. I hope it works out, I really mean that."
.' >>
What are you smoking? You call these widgets??
PCGS Registries
Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
do you know how much a blue rainbow 1868 PCGS Proof dollar in 65+ costs ??
I would just as soon as do ANOTHER set of them if you keep buying them.
But your new 1929-S SLQ is so awesome luster wise it is so astonishing!
What type of coins did you collect before going into this venture?
Just wondering, GrandAm
My new collection is now complete. I have been working against time and
that time may be running out pretty fast.
Camelot
<< <i>Pretty much the same only a bit lower grade and certainly a lot cheaper.
My new collection is now complete. I have been working against time and
that time may be running out pretty fast. >>
Wow. Your set has inspired me as have you Bear. Thank you.