because if we're really thinking that free, unlimited medical goods and services should provided for everyone, then the math doesn't ever work out, how can we give infinity?
Probably, it's ACCESS to health care (and the medical goods and services ) that should be a right for everyone, and it's up to the individual to arrage how to pay for it.
quite the ethical dilema! Any other provider of a good or service can turn away those who cannot pay, however, how do you turn down the sick and dying on your doorstep?
The bill of rights was written in the 18th century. The framers could not possibly see what kind of society we have evolved into.
2000, Harvard historian Bernard Bailyn gave a speech at the White House on the subject of the Ninth Amendment. He said that the Ninth Amendment refers to "a universe of rights, possessed by the people — latent rights, still to be evoked and enacted into law....a reservoir of other, unenumerated rights that the people retain, which in time may be enacted into law."[9] Similarly, journalist Brian Doherty has argued that the Ninth Amendment "specifically roots the Constitution in a natural rights tradition that says we are born with more rights than any constitution could ever list or specify."[10]
Maybe the right is only access to healthcare as mentioned by Baley. No one has agrued this point yet concerning medical care in the Supreme Court or Congress that I am aware of.
How do you classify the Canadian, UK medical healthcare systems? Is it a fundamental right concerning their citizens?
<< <i>So much research & development is federally funded. Why can't The US tax payer get a little free medical attention?
Grants are given to university's to study and thing imaginable.
This country needs it's people back to work. When every one is contributing there will be plenty of $$. >>
I believe much of the premise for providing funds for R&D or grants is that these are high risk, long term, extermely expensive projects that would otherwise not be funded by the private sector and that the benefits of the research help the general public. In other words, if the government didn't step in then quite a bit of this work might not get done and the public might not see its benefits.
<< <i>So much research & development is federally funded. Why can't The US tax payer get a little free medical attention?
Grants are given to university's to study and thing imaginable.
This country needs it's people back to work. When every one is contributing there will be plenty of $$. >>
I believe much of the premise for providing funds for R&D or grants is that these are high risk, long term, extermely expensive projects that would otherwise not be funded by the private sector and that the benefits of the research help the general public. In other words, if the government didn't step in then quite a bit of this work might not get done and the public might not see its benefits. >>
Aww, so it works just like TBTF loans. Tax payers bail the TBTF banks out.
Now banks will not give out loans. I'm seeing a pattern now
If one would like to see it that way then I guess they can, but at least with the sciences the public actually gets new treatments, pharmaceuticals and other benefits from the money invested into R&D.
R&D is great, never said it wasn't. I'm just saying if I pay for it I should benefit from it.
I pay taxes to fund highway projects. I get to drive on any road in the US(except toll roads) for free. At least I have a FREE will option not to pay a toll to ride on toll roads!!!
How is one Federal funded project different than another? For every action there is a equal & opposite reaction.
If you look at a fence from both sides, in the end it's still a fence
The benefit might not be free pharmaceuticals, but it might be that your life is saved from what would have been an otherwise fatal disease or that your quality of life might be improved.
<< <i>I liked that discussion of "Should medical insurance be a right?" before the conversation was derailed. >>
A thread in the PM Forum getting derailed? That is something.............MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>44 million on food stamps because we have destroyed our manufacturing base and our middle class for the price of cheap goods from China and India.
The 44-Million number may well be low. And, most folks have NO idea how easy it is to qualify for food stamps; many of the newly needy are too prideful to even apply. Adding the true matriculate number to the potentially qualified number would prolly put the stat in the 60-Million+ range.
That food stamps are a contributor to monetary inflation is a certainty; that they impact price inflation is very likey, but arguable. The govt pays for the stamps with borrowed/printed money. IF the recipients would otherwise "starve," there use of the stamps puts upward pressure on prices. IF they would/could survive w/o the stamps, their use has no/little impact on rising food prices, but does support consumer consumption of other need/want items; that support is inflationary, but props up some USA jobs AND increases the import of foreign mfgd junk.
IF food stamps boost food prices, productive taxpayers are paying for the stamps twice; once via taxes, again via higher grocery prices.
Trying to flag the exact impact of food stamps on metal prices is prolly not doable, but, ALL things "logically" considered, the stamps likely help support higher metal prices.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Hmmm, a theory based on coincidences, mutations and natural selection where every living thing cares only for itself. Sounds familiar. I don't fully subscribe. I give (some) humankind hope.
Government has failed its citizenship by socializing responsibilities that once belonged to parents and family. In some countries prisoners don't eat unless family brings them food.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Government has failed its citizenship by socializing responsibilities that once belonged to parents and family. In some countries prisoners don't eat unless family brings them food. >>
Some unemployed might just have HUNGRY baby's. Your neighbor or relative! Where has the compassion gone in MY USA?
In the past the Church and Charities took on the role of providing for the less off. This role has now been shifted to the government with the ever increasing population. In 2050, the population of the U.S. is expected to be a about 450 million.
<< <i>Some unemployed might just have HUNGRY baby's. Your neighbor or relative! Where has the compassion gone in MY USA?
In the past the Church and Charities took on the role of providing for the less off. This role has now been shifted to the government with the ever increasing population. In 2050, the population of the U.S. is expected to be a about 450 million. >>
pf70c!!
A reformed Christian church at ground zero, 9-11-01, raised several hundred thousand dollars for relief effort, but found few takers, and returned most of that to us who donated, as folks had run to savior government first. Never had heard of that before.
One of my favorite historical anecdotes re: Congressional handouts of the public coffers... DAVEY CROCKETT (bears repeating here, see link)
Do your best to avoid circular arguments, as it will help you reason better, because better reasoning is often a result of avoiding circular arguments.
It has shifted elsewhere as well. If you're looking for "needy" you might have to look no further than your mother.
Since being widowed I have been "senior" dating. You would not believe the financial condition of many many many of the widows and divorcees in the 50-68 yr age range.
It's actually becoming my barometer on the future just as NFI was my barometer that alerted me to the financial debacle of the subprime mess.
KIDS! (I'm talking adult "kids" in the 40-45 yr old range) are returning to mothers in droves. They have no jobs (and most are not qualified for any) and are cheerfully sponging off Mom.
This may not be apparent on a "drive-by" but the impact of the financial shortfall of the older generation who still foolishly (but patriotically) thinks things will improve is a ticking time bomb.
I've recast some portfolios for some of the ladies I've met, but they have NO idea where their money went. And they still think a dollar is a unit of value.
The few who have listened to me on precious metals are VERY happy. FEW are able to participate.
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that's good! We're all a little tired of this bad, bad recession, and could use something great!
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Probably, it's ACCESS to health care (and the medical goods and services ) that should be a right for everyone, and it's up to the individual to arrage how to pay for it.
quite the ethical dilema! Any other provider of a good or service can turn away those who cannot pay, however, how do you turn down the sick and dying on your doorstep?
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
2000, Harvard historian Bernard Bailyn gave a speech at the White House on the subject of the Ninth Amendment. He said that the Ninth Amendment refers to "a universe of rights, possessed by the people — latent rights, still to be evoked and enacted into law....a reservoir of other, unenumerated rights that the people retain, which in time may be enacted into law."[9]
Similarly, journalist Brian Doherty has argued that the Ninth Amendment "specifically roots the Constitution in a natural rights tradition that says we are born with more rights than any constitution could ever list or specify."[10]
Maybe the right is only access to healthcare as mentioned by Baley. No one has agrued this point yet concerning medical care in the Supreme Court or Congress that I am aware of.
How do you classify the Canadian, UK medical healthcare systems? Is it a fundamental right concerning their citizens?
Box of 20
Grants are given to university's to study and thing imaginable.
This country needs it's people back to work. When every one is contributing there will be plenty of $$.
<< <i>So much research & development is federally funded. Why can't The US tax payer get a little free medical attention?
Grants are given to university's to study and thing imaginable.
This country needs it's people back to work. When every one is contributing there will be plenty of $$. >>
I believe much of the premise for providing funds for R&D or grants is that these are high risk, long term, extermely expensive projects that would otherwise not be funded by the private sector and that the benefits of the research help the general public. In other words, if the government didn't step in then quite a bit of this work might not get done and the public might not see its benefits.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
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<< <i>So much research & development is federally funded. Why can't The US tax payer get a little free medical attention?
Grants are given to university's to study and thing imaginable.
This country needs it's people back to work. When every one is contributing there will be plenty of $$. >>
I believe much of the premise for providing funds for R&D or grants is that these are high risk, long term, extermely expensive projects that would otherwise not be funded by the private sector and that the benefits of the research help the general public. In other words, if the government didn't step in then quite a bit of this work might not get done and the public might not see its benefits. >>
Aww, so it works just like TBTF loans. Tax payers bail the TBTF banks out.
Now banks will not give out loans. I'm seeing a pattern now
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Coin's for sale/trade.
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I pay taxes to fund highway projects. I get to drive on any road in the US(except toll roads) for free. At least I have a FREE will option not to pay a toll to ride on toll roads!!!
How is one Federal funded project different than another? For every action there is a equal & opposite reaction.
If you look at a fence from both sides, in the end it's still a fence
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>I liked that discussion of "Should medical insurance be a right?" before the conversation was derailed. >>
A thread in the PM Forum getting derailed? That is something.............MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
TANG
42, 400 U.S. Factories Have Closed
Factories Closing
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<< <i>44 million on food stamps because we have destroyed our manufacturing base and our middle class for the price of cheap goods from China and India.
42, 400 U.S. Factories Have Closed
Factories Closing >>
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The 44-Million number may well be low. And, most folks have NO idea how
easy it is to qualify for food stamps; many of the newly needy are too prideful
to even apply. Adding the true matriculate number to the potentially qualified
number would prolly put the stat in the 60-Million+ range.
That food stamps are a contributor to monetary inflation is a certainty; that
they impact price inflation is very likey, but arguable. The govt pays for the
stamps with borrowed/printed money. IF the recipients would otherwise
"starve," there use of the stamps puts upward pressure on prices. IF they
would/could survive w/o the stamps, their use has no/little impact on rising
food prices, but does support consumer consumption of other need/want
items; that support is inflationary, but props up some USA jobs AND increases
the import of foreign mfgd junk.
IF food stamps boost food prices, productive taxpayers are paying for the
stamps twice; once via taxes, again via higher grocery prices.
Trying to flag the exact impact of food stamps on metal prices is prolly not
doable, but, ALL things "logically" considered, the stamps likely help support
higher metal prices.
Will the private sector ever get a fair shake with this current administration??
What do you do with them?
Kick them to the curb or throw the lifeline?
If we were playing by the RULES OF FAIR, these people would give something back but I don't see it.
If we were playing by the Laws of Darwin--as everything else has over the last 4 billion years............
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Some unemployed might just have HUNGRY baby's. Your neighbor or relative! Where has the compassion gone in MY USA?
Surely folks are still free to give their personal wealth and possessions to those they feel compassion for.
there are always more outstretched hands taking than there are busy hands making
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Government has failed its citizenship by socializing responsibilities that once belonged to parents and family. In some countries prisoners don't eat unless family brings them food. >>
Spare the rod, spoil the child.
In the past the Church and Charities took on the role of providing for the less off. This role has now been shifted to the government with the ever increasing population. In 2050, the population of the U.S. is expected to be a about 450 million.
Here's a link from last year.
Food Stamp Price Tag Rising
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<< <i>Some unemployed might just have HUNGRY baby's. Your neighbor or relative! Where has the compassion gone in MY USA?
In the past the Church and Charities took on the role of providing for the less off. This role has now been shifted to the government with the ever increasing population. In 2050, the population of the U.S. is expected to be a about 450 million. >>
A reformed Christian church at ground zero, 9-11-01, raised several hundred thousand dollars for relief effort, but found few takers, and returned most of that to us who donated, as folks had run to savior government first. Never had heard of that before.
One of my favorite historical anecdotes re: Congressional handouts of the public coffers... DAVEY CROCKETT (bears repeating here, see link)
Davey Crocket comes home to a sockdolager, a spanking from Horatio Bunce, and a 'religious' conversion re: doling out the public funds for charity (the fire in DC)
Since being widowed I have been "senior" dating. You would not believe the financial condition of many many many of the widows and divorcees in the 50-68 yr age range.
It's actually becoming my barometer on the future just as NFI was my barometer that alerted me to the financial debacle of the subprime mess.
KIDS! (I'm talking adult "kids" in the 40-45 yr old range) are returning to mothers in droves. They have no jobs (and most are not qualified for any) and are cheerfully sponging off Mom.
This may not be apparent on a "drive-by" but the impact of the financial shortfall of the older generation who still foolishly (but patriotically) thinks things will improve is a ticking time bomb.
I've recast some portfolios for some of the ladies I've met, but they have NO idea where their money went. And they still think a dollar is a unit of value.
The few who have listened to me on precious metals are VERY happy. FEW are able to participate.
A sad situation and a rapidly growing one.