<< <i> I agree, except with point 4. Auction sales are not approval sales, so any returns should be at the discretion of, and with the permission of, the seller. Most sellers allow a return period as a courtesy IF THE BUYER DID NOT EXAMINE THE ITEM IN PERSON, ,but eBay's and Paypal's policies essentially FORCE the seller to accept returns, even if in violation of the terms of sale. >>
I agree with you. I do not offer returns on TPG graded coins. I take large pictures and describe every little nick and tone on the coin and try to show these issues if they are there. They can see the pictures, get my info, agree with the grade and bid or if they do not like those terms they can move on. Ungraded coins are different although I seldom sell ungraded coins. I'm not a regular seller, but when I do they are usually PCGS coins.
1: to receive the item won exactly as it was described, if not better.
Who???? exactly describes coins......anywhere? ROFLMAO 99.9999999999999% of the auctions have a picture of a slab with no large pics of the coin. The ones that are really a joke, click on the thumbnail pic of a slab and end up with a larger pic of the slab. Just about every ebay seller thinks all the buyer needs to make an educational decision to buy coins is to see the slab. But folks, here's a big surprise for you. It's much more complicated than that!
Sellers know or have learned that posting accurate, highly detail pictures of coins is bad because no-one buys them. So it's more profitable to run slab pics only auction to the clueless mass of society.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
I think with all the things eBay and PayPal have in place this isn't necessary. The buyer will win most disputes. I think a seller's bill of rights is more necessary.
Edited to add:
OP or not, hardyboysfan = blocked
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<< <i>If a seller says anything about a coin and he's wrong about it, he opens the door for a return of that coin.
Leo >>
I feel so different about this, especially if they specifically state no returns and we' gamble on the chance of buying a raw coin. I did this recently with a norse thick medal. The seller hyped it up, but didn't point out the obvious abrasive cleaning. I got it and was annoyed, but respected the no return policy. He may or may not have known anything about coins and it was a raw medal so it was my gamble. What IF it had been a ms70? Would I have given him an entitlement fee for how awesome the medal was? Likely no. So I chose to respect it. Some of my gambles majorly pay off, others do not. I shall post some soon.
<< <i>5. OK. No strong opinion here since I never sell anything not as described. If you think it's not as described, I'd say generally you are incorrect and we are going to disagree. splitting the postage on disagreements is probably fair. >>
I'd say it's up to the buyer to determine if a coin is SNAD. Your argument to the contrary is more than a bit self-serving, since you claim infallibility and that just ain't possible! >>
This ain't my first rodeo and I sell pcgs graded moderns. they are as described. if I make a shipping error, that's different and I fix that on my nickel. --jerry
<< <i>I'd say it's up to the buyer to determine if a coin is SNAD. Your argument to the contrary is more than a bit self-serving, since you claim infallibility and that just ain't possible! >>
If it's impossible to be infallible, it's possible the buyer is wrong about the item being "significantly not as described".
<< <i>If a seller says anything about a coin and he's wrong about it, he opens the door for a return of that coin.
Leo >>
I feel so different about this, especially if they specifically state no returns and we' gamble on the chance of buying a raw coin. I did this recently with a norse thick medal. The seller hyped it up, but didn't point out the obvious abrasive cleaning. I got it and was annoyed, but respected the no return policy. He may or may not have known anything about coins and it was a raw medal so it was my gamble. What IF it had been a ms70? Would I have given him an entitlement fee for how awesome the medal was? Likely no. So I chose to respect it. Some of my gambles majorly pay off, others do not. I shall post some soon. >>
Ask before bidding if cleaned and if they deny it, you have a reason to return (item not as described). My personal policy, though, is to lower my bid --- and my risk --- on no return auctions or just avoid them altogether.
<< <i>If a seller says anything about a coin and he's wrong about it, he opens the door for a return of that coin.
Leo >>
I feel so different about this, especially if they specifically state no returns and we' gamble on the chance of buying a raw coin. I did this recently with a norse thick medal. The seller hyped it up, but didn't point out the obvious abrasive cleaning. I got it and was annoyed, but respected the no return policy. He may or may not have known anything about coins and it was a raw medal so it was my gamble. What IF it had been a ms70? Would I have given him an entitlement fee for how awesome the medal was? Likely no. So I chose to respect it. Some of my gambles majorly pay off, others do not. I shall post some soon. >>
Ask before bidding if cleaned and if they deny it, you have a reason to return (item not as described). My personal policy, though, is to lower my bid --- and my risk --- on no return auctions or just avoid them altogether. >>
Yeah, but on the flipside, as some have seen recently, there are sellers (and even board members) who believe in BLOCKING ANYONE and EVERYONE who asks a questions....particularly if that question is anything about the coin like cleaning, problems, etc. So, if you actually want the coin, and you don't know the seller already, then you risk getting blocked if you ask a question. The ol' "damned if you do, damned if you don't"....
<< <i>Yeah, but on the flipside, as some have seen recently, there are sellers (and even board members) who believe in BLOCKING ANYONE and EVERYONE who asks a questions....particularly if that question is anything about the coin like cleaning, problems, etc. So, if you actually want the coin, and you don't know the seller already, then you risk getting blocked if you ask a question. The ol' "damned if you do, damned if you don't".... >>
I wouldn't want to do business with any seller that would block me for asking a legitimate question. He is obviously trying to hide something negative concerning his coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
No feedback from me til get feedback from the buyer. I left positve feedback once first and the buyer never paid because I shipped before he sent payment. This was my mistake.
So as a Buyer I should Expect IMMEDIATE DELIVERY ! >>
Ebay pushes the immediate payment. I've never understood it. I hope ebay doesn't make it a requirement. But they might, they want to be like a dept store. --jerry
<< <i>Yeah, but on the flipside, as some have seen recently, there are sellers (and even board members) who believe in BLOCKING ANYONE and EVERYONE who asks a questions....particularly if that question is anything about the coin like cleaning, problems, etc. So, if you actually want the coin, and you don't know the seller already, then you risk getting blocked if you ask a question. The ol' "damned if you do, damned if you don't".... >>
I wouldn't want to do business with any seller that would block me for asking a legitimate question. He is obviously trying to hide something negative concerning his coin. >>
I'd say he just doesn't want to deal with people with questions. Some people will ask 100 questions and then pass. He got burned like this before for 3 hours of his time and said "never again". That would be my guess. just as sellers have to deal with all kind of buyers, buyers have to deal with all kind of sellers. One way is as you have chose, is to not deal with that seller. Live isn't a simple straight line from A to B. If it was, it would be boring. --Jerry
So as a Buyer I should Expect IMMEDIATE DELIVERY ! >>
Ebay pushes the immediate payment. I've never understood it. I hope ebay doesn't make it a requirement. But they might, they want to be like a dept store. --jerry >>
Ebay is running very hard to try to catch up with Amazon. They have just acquired a large company that provides the internet platforms for over a 100 large retailers. Right now if they went with the larger retailers there would be a huge howl from small ebayers...those on the bottom Power seller level and below. Ebay sees no future with small sellers. The chip in the armor for Amazon is that they are having multi state disputes with taxing agencies over state sales tax issues...i.e.--does Amazon have a presence in that state or not. This taxing dispute will come back to haunt Amazon for years and is ..possibly..the open door which may allow the 'NEW EBAY' to slide through and successfully compete. Only time will tell on how the dust settles for Amazon on this matter.
MY suggestion is to sell certified coins on ebay and have a video record of you packaging the box with the merchandise. Give full refunds when required and knuckle under if you want to play on their platform and smile damnit, if you know what's good for you.
IMO, the small seller is toast on ebay. Ebay is just 'milking' the fees from small sellers in a similar fashion to how ATT used the income from it's long distance service years ago in order to provide the cash to redirect the company to what it is now.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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Long movie, eh RF?
<< <i>
I agree, except with point 4. Auction sales are not approval sales, so any returns should be at the discretion of, and with
the permission of, the seller. Most sellers allow a return period as a courtesy IF THE BUYER DID NOT EXAMINE THE ITEM IN PERSON,
,but eBay's and Paypal's policies essentially FORCE the seller to accept returns, even if in violation of the terms of sale. >>
I agree with you. I do not offer returns on TPG graded coins. I take large pictures and describe every little nick and tone on the coin and try to show these issues if they are there. They can see the pictures, get my info, agree with the grade and bid or if they do not like those terms they can move on. Ungraded coins are different although I seldom sell ungraded coins. I'm not a regular seller, but when I do they are usually PCGS coins.
Positive BST Transactions (buyers and sellers): wondercoin, blu62vette, BAJJERFAN, privatecoin, blu62vette, AlanLastufka, privatecoin
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#2 1980 Topps Los Angeles Rams Team Set
#8 (and climbing) 1972 Topps Los Angeles Rams Team Set
Just about every ebay seller thinks all the buyer needs to make an educational decision to buy coins is to see the slab.
But folks, here's a big surprise for you. It's much more complicated than that!
Sellers know or have learned that posting accurate, highly detail pictures of coins is bad because no-one buys them. So it's more profitable to run slab pics only auction to the clueless mass of society.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
Edited to add:
OP or not, hardyboysfan = blocked
<< <i>If a seller says anything about a coin and he's wrong about it, he opens the door for a return of that coin.
Leo >>
I feel so different about this, especially if they specifically state no returns and we' gamble on the chance of buying a raw coin. I did this recently with a norse thick medal. The seller hyped it up, but didn't point out the obvious abrasive cleaning. I got it and was annoyed, but respected the no return policy. He may or may not have known anything about coins and it was a raw medal so it was my gamble. What IF it had been a ms70? Would I have given him an entitlement fee for how awesome the medal was? Likely no. So I chose to respect it. Some of my gambles majorly pay off, others do not. I shall post some soon.
<< <i>
<< <i>5. OK. No strong opinion here since I never sell anything not as described. If you think it's not as described, I'd say generally you are incorrect and we are going to disagree. splitting the postage on disagreements is probably fair. >>
I'd say it's up to the buyer to determine if a coin is SNAD.
Your argument to the contrary is more than a bit self-serving, since you claim infallibility and that just ain't possible!
This ain't my first rodeo and I sell pcgs graded moderns. they are as described. if I make a shipping error, that's different and I fix that on my nickel. --jerry
<< <i>I'd say it's up to the buyer to determine if a coin is SNAD. Your argument to the contrary is more than a bit self-serving, since you claim infallibility and that just ain't possible! >>
If it's impossible to be infallible, it's possible the buyer is wrong about the item being "significantly not as described".
<< <i>
<< <i>If a seller says anything about a coin and he's wrong about it, he opens the door for a return of that coin.
Leo >>
I feel so different about this, especially if they specifically state no returns and we' gamble on the chance of buying a raw coin. I did this recently with a norse thick medal. The seller hyped it up, but didn't point out the obvious abrasive cleaning. I got it and was annoyed, but respected the no return policy. He may or may not have known anything about coins and it was a raw medal so it was my gamble. What IF it had been a ms70? Would I have given him an entitlement fee for how awesome the medal was? Likely no. So I chose to respect it. Some of my gambles majorly pay off, others do not. I shall post some soon.
Ask before bidding if cleaned and if they deny it, you have a reason to return (item not as described). My personal policy, though, is to lower my bid --- and my risk --- on no return auctions or just avoid them altogether.
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Sellers that Require/DEMAND IMMEDIATE PAYMENT !
So as a Buyer I should Expect IMMEDIATE DELIVERY !
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<< <i>
<< <i>If a seller says anything about a coin and he's wrong about it, he opens the door for a return of that coin.
Leo >>
I feel so different about this, especially if they specifically state no returns and we' gamble on the chance of buying a raw coin. I did this recently with a norse thick medal. The seller hyped it up, but didn't point out the obvious abrasive cleaning. I got it and was annoyed, but respected the no return policy. He may or may not have known anything about coins and it was a raw medal so it was my gamble. What IF it had been a ms70? Would I have given him an entitlement fee for how awesome the medal was? Likely no. So I chose to respect it. Some of my gambles majorly pay off, others do not. I shall post some soon.
Ask before bidding if cleaned and if they deny it, you have a reason to return (item not as described). My personal policy, though, is to lower my bid --- and my risk --- on no return auctions or just avoid them altogether. >>
Yeah, but on the flipside, as some have seen recently, there are sellers (and even board members) who believe in BLOCKING ANYONE and EVERYONE who asks a questions....particularly if that question is anything about the coin like cleaning, problems, etc. So, if you actually want the coin, and you don't know the seller already, then you risk getting blocked if you ask a question. The ol' "damned if you do, damned if you don't"....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Yeah, but on the flipside, as some have seen recently, there are sellers (and even board members) who believe in BLOCKING ANYONE and EVERYONE who asks a questions....particularly if that question is anything about the coin like cleaning, problems, etc. So, if you actually want the coin, and you don't know the seller already, then you risk getting blocked if you ask a question. The ol' "damned if you do, damned if you don't".... >>
I wouldn't want to do business with any seller that would block me for asking a legitimate question. He is obviously trying to hide something negative concerning his coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Box of 20
Are you mad?
<< <i>Bobbo50,
Are you mad? >>
Apparently.
Link
<< <i>a Buyers Gripe:
Sellers that Require/DEMAND IMMEDIATE PAYMENT !
So as a Buyer I should Expect IMMEDIATE DELIVERY ! >>
Ebay pushes the immediate payment. I've never understood it. I hope ebay doesn't make it a requirement. But they might, they want to be like a dept store. --jerry
<< <i>
<< <i>Yeah, but on the flipside, as some have seen recently, there are sellers (and even board members) who believe in BLOCKING ANYONE and EVERYONE who asks a questions....particularly if that question is anything about the coin like cleaning, problems, etc. So, if you actually want the coin, and you don't know the seller already, then you risk getting blocked if you ask a question. The ol' "damned if you do, damned if you don't".... >>
I wouldn't want to do business with any seller that would block me for asking a legitimate question. He is obviously trying to hide something negative concerning his coin. >>
I'd say he just doesn't want to deal with people with questions. Some people will ask 100 questions and then pass. He got burned like this before for 3 hours of his time and said "never again". That would be my guess. just as sellers have to deal with all kind of buyers, buyers have to deal with all kind of sellers. One way is as you have chose, is to not deal with that seller. Live isn't a simple straight line from A to B. If it was, it would be boring.
--Jerry
<< <i>
<< <i>a Buyers Gripe:
Sellers that Require/DEMAND IMMEDIATE PAYMENT !
So as a Buyer I should Expect IMMEDIATE DELIVERY ! >>
Ebay pushes the immediate payment. I've never understood it. I hope ebay doesn't make it a requirement. But they might, they want to be like a dept store. --jerry >>
Ebay is running very hard to try to catch up with Amazon. They have just acquired a large company that provides the internet platforms for over a 100 large retailers. Right now if they went with the larger retailers there would be a huge howl from small ebayers...those on the bottom Power seller level and below. Ebay sees no future with small sellers. The chip in the armor for Amazon is that they are having multi state disputes with taxing agencies over state sales tax issues...i.e.--does Amazon have a presence in that state or not. This taxing dispute will come back to haunt Amazon for years and is ..possibly..the open door which may allow the 'NEW EBAY' to slide through and successfully compete. Only time will tell on how the dust settles for Amazon on this matter.
MY suggestion is to sell certified coins on ebay and have a video record of you packaging the box with the merchandise. Give full refunds when required and knuckle under if you want to play on their platform and smile damnit, if you know what's good for you.
IMO, the small seller is toast on ebay. Ebay is just 'milking' the fees from small sellers in a similar fashion to how ATT used the income from it's long distance service years ago in order to provide the cash to redirect the company to what it is now.
<< <i>
<< <i>Bobbo50,
Are you mad? >>
Apparently.
Link >>
Wow!! This guy has some serious issues.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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