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    pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>My opinion? You should have contacted the seller who blocked you and asked why. Not posted it on a forum. Who even knows if they are a forum member here? Kind of spiteful (as other(s) have said) and lacking a bit of maturity. >>



    eBay would not let me send the seller an email, otherwise I would have. I couldn't find a handle for the seller on this forum, otherwise I would have sent a PM. My intention was not to be spiteful, but merely to let the seller know that he was disadvantaging us both for what I suspect is no good reason. Good night. >>



    You are probably right but for some reason this seller has decided he did not want or need your business to survive. I have blocked 2 buyers on ebay from all the post i have read on here. Some here have blocked 100's or more.

    Now if i took the time to block you, i would not want to look at a email from you. Why should i take time to explain anything? Maybe that is why he block you. Some sellers just want to post a coin, sell it and ship it with no love in between.image
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well I would just say dam I'am blocked I dont know why and move on they must of been some good coins.image


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    JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i> I would like to see the civility of the forum improve >>



    Than don't start threads with provocative titles calling out some seller you don't even know, that would be a good start.
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I dont know what you may have done, but ill ask him next time I see him in our local B&M. And no, he is not a member of this forum and he is a nice guy, his name is Randy. >>



    I haven't done anything, lol. I'd be fascinated by what Randy has to say, especially if it's related to this forum. Thank you for your input.

    I used to wonder why most collectors lose money on their coins; however, after seeing how many forum members are eager to block someone based solely on that person's online persona, I'd say the aptitude for commerce isn't universally high among coin collectors.
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The cost of some sales may be greater then the cost of not getting some sales.
    MLAeBayNumismatics: "The greatest hobby in the world!"
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The cost of some sales may be greater then the cost of not getting some sales. >>



    Agreed; however, I am not a problem customer. I return about 1 out of every 500 coins, lol.
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    magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780
    "...Honestly, I couldn't care less how this thread turns out. I'm far from the biggest fish on this forum; but, I spend close to six figures on coins every year. Anyone who wants to kiss off my business is welcome to do so."

    Hi,

    I don't actually want any part of this. I bought from Bayard1908 long ago - had a problem free return. I just think, and I am probably reading wrong or too much into it - I just want to say that the the amount of $ spent bears no relation to behavior, on either side of any transaction. It is really just a comment - not about this thread at all I suppose. Deliberate and thoughtful actions and so on are free and usually worth the time! image


    Eric
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"...Honestly, I couldn't care less how this thread turns out. I'm far from the biggest fish on this forum; but, I spend close to six figures on coins every year. Anyone who wants to kiss off my business is welcome to do so."

    Hi,

    I don't actually want any part of this. I bought from Bayard1908 long ago - had a problem free return. I just think, and I am probably reading wrong or too much into it - I just want to say that the the amount of $ spent bears no relation to behavior, on either side of any transaction. It is really just a comment - not about this thread at all I suppose. Deliberate and thoughtful actions and so on are free and usually worth the time! image

    Eric >>



    If my memory is correct, you asked to cancel an eBay sale before shipment for a reason that I do not recall. I agreed to cancel the sale, and we never had the slightest unpleasantness about it. I never even thought of blocking you, and you are welcome to bid on my eBay items in the future. I wouldn't block anyone unless I thought they were dishonest or abusive.
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    << <i>The cost of some sales may be greater then the cost of not getting some sales. >>



    Agreed; however, I am not a problem customer. I return about 1 out of every 500 coins, lol. >>

    ---------->You are under the impression somehow that the simple act of returning a coin defines a "problem collector". It doesn't. It's the before, during, and after attitude that does. Speaking of attitude. . .

    You state you "could not care less" about other collectors and dealers attitude toward you yet you've responded 19 times to your own thread already.

    (Yes, I counted. And, "Yes", I've got a little time to kill this morning...)
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    << <i>Sometimes people get self righteous in threads here and block people without good cause. See above for an example for just such a reaction. I have excellent feedback on eBay as both a buyer and a seller. >>



    The fact that you would come to this forum and start this thread would make me hesitant to deal with you either as a seller or buyer.
    YMMV
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The cost of some sales may be greater then the cost of not getting some sales. >>



    Agreed; however, I am not a problem customer. I return about 1 out of every 500 coins, lol. >>

    ---------->You are under the impression somehow that the simple act of returning a coin defines a "problem collector". It doesn't. It's the before, during, and after attitude that does. Speaking of attitude. . .

    You state you "could not care less" about other collectors and dealers attitude toward you yet you've responded 19 times to your own thread already.

    (Yes, I counted. And, "Yes", I've got a little time to kill this morning...) >>



    Perhaps you conduct yourself differently than I do on eBay. I promptly pay with Paypal and await delivery of my merchandise. There's rarely any additional communication and never an "attitude."

    I notice your disingenuous scope shift in the quotation. I said that couldn't care less about the outcome of this thread. That doesn't mean that I have no regard for other people.
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Sometimes people get self righteous in threads here and block people without good cause. See above for an example for just such a reaction. I have excellent feedback on eBay as both a buyer and a seller. >>



    The fact that you would come to this forum and start this thread would make me hesitant to deal with you either as a seller or buyer.
    YMMV >>



    Interesting. What would be the nature of your concern? I promptly pay my invoices and almost never return a coin.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <kngldwg>

    I would like to buy a vowel..................MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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    magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780
    Hi Bayard1908,

    "...and we never had the slightest unpleasantness about it."

    Nope, we did not at all image It was indeed smooth and pleasant as a return could be. We agreed about the situation and just moved on. Thanks again for that.

    Eric
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I think the nature of his concern was:




    << <i>The fact that you would come to this forum and start this thread would make me hesitant to deal with you either as a seller or buyer. YMMV >> >>





    Good for you.
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    << <i>Interesting. What would be the nature of your concern? I promptly pay my invoices and almost never return a coin. >>



    I thought my statement was self-explanatory.
    I've seen your feedback and coins on eBay and both seem good and above-board.
    But by starting this thread, you come across as vindictive and petty.
    Dealing directly with the seller or just moving on and forgetting about it were far better options than coming here whining about it.
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Interesting. What would be the nature of your concern? I promptly pay my invoices and almost never return a coin. >>



    I thought my statement was self-explanatory.
    I've seen your feedback and coins on eBay and both seem good and above-board.
    But by starting this thread, you come across as vindictive and petty.
    Dealing directly with the seller or just moving on and forgetting about it were far better options than coming here whining about it. >>

    This is getting good, image


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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you ever message Ebay sellers about their coins to comment negatively? For instance, years ago I messaged
    a seller that his $5 gold piece was counterfeit. This seller had 10,000 plus feedbacks of all coins at the time. He
    told me to go pound sand and blocked me (telling me so). Well, I wanted the dang thing as it was a contemporary
    piece and now I just screwed myself!
    I ended up with it and yes it was a fake (I won't say how I got it).
    But, that comment got me blocked. Oh, the comment went like this: "Just a heads up....this $5 piece appears to
    be a fake, yes a counterfeit. You may want to have it authenticated before shipping to a buyer and risking a return
    and a negative. Good luck."
    So, there are things that do rub sellers the wrong way.
    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Interesting. What would be the nature of your concern? I promptly pay my invoices and almost never return a coin. >>



    I thought my statement was self-explanatory.
    I've seen your feedback and coins on eBay and both seem good and above-board.
    But by starting this thread, you come across as vindictive and petty.
    Dealing directly with the seller or just moving on and forgetting about it were far better options than coming here whining about it. >>



    I have no way of contacting the seller. I hold no grudge or vindictive feelings toward the seller who blocked me. I'm merely bringing what I believe is a poor business practice to his attention, and to the attention of forum members with similar tendencies. Far from whining, I'm trying to help forum members help themselves by refraining from blocking good customers on a whim. As I've said earlier, I don't block people unless I have reason to believe they are dishonest or abusive.

    When I buy coins, I'm not asking the seller for a date. In an online transaction, all I care about is whether the other party will live up to the bargain. I find your tone mildly insulting; but, I wouldn't hesitate to do business with you online because of that.
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you ever message Ebay sellers about their coins to comment negatively? For instance, years ago I messaged
    a seller that his $5 gold piece was counterfeit. This seller had 10,000 plus feedbacks of all coins at the time. He
    told me to go pound sand and blocked me (telling me so). Well, I wanted the dang thing as it was a contemporary
    piece and now I just screwed myself!
    I ended up with it and yes it was a fake (I won't say how I got it).
    But, that comment got me blocked. Oh, the comment went like this: "Just a heads up....this $5 piece appears to
    be a fake, yes a counterfeit. You may want to have it authenticated before shipping to a buyer and risking a return
    and a negative. Good luck."
    So, there are things that do rub sellers the wrong way.
    bob >>



    I don't think I've ever done this, and other than loose cannons on this forum, I've never had anyone say that they've blocked me.
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    llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    If the eBay seller doesn't frequent this forum... I wonder how he would have blocked your user ID if he doesn't know you/didn't have a transaction or communications with you?
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The cost of some sales may be greater then the cost of not getting some sales. >>



    Agreed; however, I am not a problem customer. I return about 1 out of every 500 coins, lol. >>

    ---------->You are under the impression somehow that the simple act of returning a coin defines a "problem collector". It doesn't. It's the before, during, and after attitude that does. Speaking of attitude. . .

    You state you "could not care less" about other collectors and dealers attitude toward you yet you've responded 19 times to your own thread already.

    (Yes, I counted. And, "Yes", I've got a little time to kill this morning...) >>




    Him??? Look at how YOU have dug into this. You've been a member for 2 months (Mar 2011) and yet you have dove into this, and on Bayard, with a passion and zeal it would seem.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If the eBay seller doesn't frequent this forum... I wonder how he would have blocked your user ID if he doesn't know you/didn't have a transaction or communications with you? >>

    "Not being a Member" and "Frequenting" are two different things.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


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    << <i>If the eBay seller doesn't frequent this forum... I wonder how he would have blocked your user ID if he doesn't know you/didn't have a transaction or communications with you? >>

    "Not being a Member" and "Frequenting" are two different things. >>



    Point taken... actually, I'm offended by your comment... you're blocked! imageimage
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    djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


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    << <i>If the eBay seller doesn't frequent this forum... I wonder how he would have blocked your user ID if he doesn't know you/didn't have a transaction or communications with you? >>

    "Not being a Member" and "Frequenting" are two different things. >>



    Point taken... actually, I'm offended by your comment... you're blocked! imageimage >>



    Lmao! Ima block everyone in this thread now. We should all just block eachother. We can have block night every monday on the forum and whoever blocks the most users wins a prize!
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    << <i>Interesting. What would be the nature of your concern? I promptly pay my invoices and almost never return a coin. >>



    I thought my statement was self-explanatory.
    I've seen your feedback and coins on eBay and both seem good and above-board.
    But by starting this thread, you come across as vindictive and petty.
    Dealing directly with the seller or just moving on and forgetting about it were far better options than coming here whining about it. >>



    I have no way of contacting the seller. I hold no grudge or vindictive feelings toward the seller who blocked me. I'm merely bringing what I believe is a poor business practice to his attention, and to the attention of forum members with similar tendencies. Far from whining, I'm trying to help forum members help themselves by refraining from blocking good customers on a whim. As I've said earlier, I don't block people unless I have reason to believe they are dishonest or abusive.

    When I buy coins, I'm not asking the seller for a date. In an online transaction, all I care about is whether the other party will live up to the bargain. I find your tone mildly insulting; but, I wouldn't hesitate to do business with you online because of that. >>



    Don't even try that self-serving "trying to help forum members" nonsense on me, because I'm not buying it, not for an instant.
    You have a grudge against the seller and are attempting to "get even" by plastering his name on this board.
    I've added you to my eBay block list and your antics here have guaranteed I'll never buy a coin from you.
    Grow up!
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    Don't even try that self-serving "trying to help forum members" nonsense on me, because I'm not buying it, not for an instant.
    You have a grudge against the seller and are attempting to "get even" by plastering his name on this board.
    I've added you to my eBay block list and your antics here have guaranteed I'll never buy a coin from you.
    Grow up! >>



    Awwwwwww-snap. Got to say, that is a reasonable statement and action. Although I stand by my words previously in the thread, I don't blame anyone for blocking the OP in any form be it ebay, the boards, etc just to avoid a situation such as the one we have here. Yes, I know, I'm a new member. However, I'm a very long time lurker - you'd be scared if you knew how long I've been lurking.
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    JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036


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    << <i>The cost of some sales may be greater then the cost of not getting some sales. >>



    Agreed; however, I am not a problem customer. I return about 1 out of every 500 coins, lol. >>

    ---------->You are under the impression somehow that the simple act of returning a coin defines a "problem collector". It doesn't. It's the before, during, and after attitude that does. Speaking of attitude. . .

    You state you "could not care less" about other collectors and dealers attitude toward you yet you've responded 19 times to your own thread already.

    (Yes, I counted. And, "Yes", I've got a little time to kill this morning...) >>




    Him??? Look at how YOU have dug into this. You've been a member for 2 months (Mar 2011) and yet you have dove into this, and on Bayard, with a passion and zeal it would seem. >>



    You noticed too eh ? image
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    pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Interesting comments all the way around.

    I think i have blocked 2 buyers over the years, i sometimes cringe when i see the winning bidder of 1 of my auctions has less than 5 feedbacks, but 99 percent of the times i have no issues. I have had a few but not many. I have probably had more issues with high volume ebayers. I have had some that would nit pick my coins and then make an offer. ( why do you want this dog as you called it for any price??) I have had buyers want a 3% discount for paying by check ( i never said i would take a check) I have been told how much shipping is to the penny, all from bigger ebayers.
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>If the eBay seller doesn't frequent this forum... I wonder how he would have blocked your user ID if he doesn't know you/didn't have a transaction or communications with you? >>

    "Not being a Member" and "Frequenting" are two different things. >>



    Point taken... actually, I'm offended by your comment... you're blocked! imageimage >>



    Lmao! Ima block everyone in this thread now. We should all just block eachother. We can have block night every monday on the forum and whoever blocks the most users wins a prize! >>

    Not only BLOCKED but BOOTED off the board all of you that includes me. image


    Hoard the keys.
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    Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Interesting. What would be the nature of your concern? I promptly pay my invoices and almost never return a coin. >>



    I thought my statement was self-explanatory.
    I've seen your feedback and coins on eBay and both seem good and above-board.
    But by starting this thread, you come across as vindictive and petty.
    Dealing directly with the seller or just moving on and forgetting about it were far better options than coming here whining about it. >>



    I have no way of contacting the seller. I hold no grudge or vindictive feelings toward the seller who blocked me. I'm merely bringing what I believe is a poor business practice to his attention, and to the attention of forum members with similar tendencies. Far from whining, I'm trying to help forum members help themselves by refraining from blocking good customers on a whim. As I've said earlier, I don't block people unless I have reason to believe they are dishonest or abusive.

    When I buy coins, I'm not asking the seller for a date. In an online transaction, all I care about is whether the other party will live up to the bargain. I find your tone mildly insulting; but, I wouldn't hesitate to do business with you online because of that. >>



    Don't even try that self-serving "trying to help forum members" nonsense on me, because I'm not buying it, not for an instant.
    You have a grudge against the seller and are attempting to "get even" by plastering his name on this board.
    I've added you to my eBay block list and your antics here have guaranteed I'll never buy a coin from you.
    Grow up! >>



    I'm a coin collector, not an irony collector, lol.

    As I said earlier, a significant percentage of coin collectors appear to have no aptitude for business. Most of the products you own were manufactured and/or sold by people with whom you have absolutely nothing in common. If personal affection were required for business transactions, global commerce would grind to a halt.

    By the way, even though the matter appears to be moot, I'm not going to block you. If and when you calm down, we can do business with no hard feelings.
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    JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036
    If i could find the movie poster design thread ive a good idea for " Attack of the 50 post newbie " image
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    << <i> If and when you calm down, we can do business with no hard feelings. >>



    You seem to be the one who needs calming, my friend.
    I'm not the one that came here libeling a seller and whining about being blocked.
    You need to grow up and stop acting like a two year old.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i> If and when you calm down, we can do business with no hard feelings. >>



    You seem to be the one who needs calming, my friend.
    I'm not the one that came here libeling a seller and whining about being blocked.
    You need to grow up and stop acting like a two year old. >>



    Libeling? I just re-read the OP and fail to see where he did that.
    You also seem to be taking this pretty personal and lashing out.

    It is what it is, and it isn't anything more than it is. Relax. image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Far from whining, I'm trying to help forum members help themselves by refraining from blocking good customers on a whim. >>

    You might consider that others may have a different opinion regarding just what constitutes a "whim" than you do.

    Just sayin'... image
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,482 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do think these threads are helping forum members, either way they go.
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    UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭
    image

    Same show, different names, different year. That's it, I'm blocking myself!

    Joe.
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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In this business environment , it is bad practice to cutoff a possible source of revenue. Period.

    Bayard is not evil nor is he bad business. If a seller gets in a snit over petty stuff and reads too much into the small things---I pity that seller.

    That seller appears to me to be a 'small' person and I think he bruised Bayards ego a little. Nobody likes to be told NO.

    Both need to move on. The seller already has.

    regards to both of you.
    Have a nice day
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I recently came across a seller who I asked for larger pics, he said sure. I also let him know that I was unable to ask him a question through ebay, a heads up. He did have his email posted. He asked for my ebay user name and said he would check into it. He also mentioned that I wasn't blocked. Great, I thought but never received the larger pics?? I guess I'm still waiting. image


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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    << <i> If and when you calm down, we can do business with no hard feelings. >>



    You seem to be the one who needs calming, my friend.
    I'm not the one that came here libeling a seller and whining about being blocked.
    You need to grow up and stop acting like a two year old. >>



    Libeling? I just re-read the OP and fail to see where he did that.
    You also seem to be taking this pretty personal and lashing out.

    It is what it is, and it isn't anything more than it is. Relax. image >>



    Hardly "lashing out" any more than you are, unless you consider that anyone who opines in a manner you disagree with is "lashing out".
    I personally don't care if the OP never sells or buys another coin again but I think it was poor form to come here to whine about it.
    Enough, I'm done with this thread
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, bye bye image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the boy-girl theory of sales----------

    you don't want it until you can't have it.

    ________________________

    I think that's what were dealing with here.
    Have a nice day
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    JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036


    << <i>Ok, bye bye image >>



    image
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    Leo, I got your pics right here
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    llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


    << <i>Leo, I got your pics right here >>



    It's good to see you finally invested in that macro lens! image
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Almost at 100 guys, I know we can do it!
    Good for you.
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    << <i>Almost at 100 guys, I know we can do it! >>


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    Okay 100, there now I have done it
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    Paper is expensive, and gold is patient.

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