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Rim Filed?

With is the difference of a Rim Ding and a Filed Rim? and does it affect the price? I have seen coins with dents in the rim but no sign of smoothed or moved metal labeled as Filed, is it the same thing in PCGS's eyes?

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  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I too would like to know the answer to this question.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    newb input, we'll see how right I am.


    I've always thought a filed rim was undesirable because it was a sign the coin had "sweating," or removing, of precious metals off the coin.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A "filed rim" is a type of repair that involves filing the rim in an effort to hide evidence if a rim nick or other rim damage.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,211 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reason they put reeding on the edge was to keep people from shaving bits of gold and silver metal from coins.
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  • questor54questor54 Posts: 1,351
    What is the easiest way to tell if a coin has been rimmed?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,675 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What is the easiest way to tell if a coin has been rimmed? >>



    Check the rims with a good magnifier under good lighting and look for disturbance to the metal on the rim surfaces usually in the form of scrape marks or burnishing. Actually, a fine stone is used more often than a jewelers file. You can experiment with some pocket change to see what it looks like. Most collectors will miss it because they are too busy looking at Ms Liberty's cheek and the fields for marks and hairline scratches.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A rim bump is a form of damage that results when the coin has been dropped or pinched or had the rim bent by something that happens after the piece has been struck. A minor rim injury can result in minor reduction to the grade. On an MS-60 coin, it might not change the grade since such things might be expected on that level. If a rim nick is really big, it will result in a “genuine” slab because of the damage.

    Rim filing is a practice that coin doctors use to hide the injury. It involves filing off the excess metal in the area of rim bump. In the old days it resulted in a body bag because it is an alteration that is used to hide a problem. Today it would result in a “genuine” holder.

    The best way to spot rim filing is to look at the edge of the coin all the way around. A very skillful coin doctor can file the rim so that the area is smooth, and unless you look closely you will miss the spot. It will be a smooth area that is lower than the rest of the dentiles, rim ridge or whatever the edge design of the coin is.

    Years ago I spotted a very attractive Classic Head $5 gold that looked to be in Choice Mint State that was raw at a show. The piece was very deceiving, but when I looked at the rim carefully, I found a spot where a rim bump had been filed. That met that the coin could not be graded by PCGS or NGC. This goes along with the saying, “Scarce raw coins are usually raw for a reason.”
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A "filed rim" is a type of repair that involves filing the rim in an effort to hide evidence if a rim nick or other rim damage. >>



    Or it was a historical practice of shaving metal off the edge of a coin.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    Does PCGS call large rim bumps and or Filed Rims GEN 82 never the less?

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