What I still can't figure out is the serial numbering system. It seems almost random. The numbers do not seem to go in sequence. You would think that the second card graded would be 0000000002, but I don't think that is the case.
The light blue flips don't have the same print on the back as the darker ones. The light ones say "A Collector's Universe Company," whereby the typical indigo/navy flip says "A Division of Collector's Universe."
I have some flip issues myself. The darker one looks like all the PSA slabbed cards that I own.
All three:
Agganis:
Dempsey:
Walcott:
Sorry about the strange image sizing. I think it has to do with how the image is oriented.
<< <i>Mark, That would be awesome. I would like to do Tallboys , packs (wax/cello), and Odd ball stuff. Might as well cover it all. This way nobody is buying a CL fake '52 Mantle Tim >>
Sorry, didn't see your reply Tim. Will work at scans this weekend. I guess I will just PM them so you can insert them however you want.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Got this in a group lot recently. Obviously 1st generation, but the font and spacing on the flip is throwing me off as to where it falls in the sequence.
There were a small number of half grades issued in the style 6 holder before they moved the numerical grade below the descriptive grade. I believe there's a '54 Williams photographed in the SMR announcing the half grade launch which displayed as 'NM-MT+ 8.5'.
To help pin down the dates, here's the first card I ever submitted to PSA (1999). I don't have the card with me, so I don't have the back scan available. I think it's a 'PSA' hologram'. I can check when I get home.
Just found this thread by following your link - great info!! I agree PSA should have this under their resources menu.
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<< <i>I noticed they have moved the number up to follow the grade and not be on a seperate line. [/q
Look on page 1 at Flip style #6. This apparently occurred for a brief period right after the .5 scale began.
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Hi, This has always intrigued me. The history of PSA's flips. So I decided to the best of my knowledge put this together for future reference for all to use when ever someone has a flip question. Especially if they want to know if a flip is legitimate or not. This is a work in progress and a rough draft and will be corrected if there are errors and corrections that need to be made. If something is not correct please let me know so I can make the correction on this post.
Regular standard size flip:
PSA flip style 1. 1991 - 1992 This style flip is PSA's first flip ever produced. Note the slashes through the zeros and the bar code is long. The back of the flip has a hologram that has "PSA" within it. The hologram is bonded on the outside, but it's not a sticker. It is bonded to the plastic the same way the white PSA logo is. The T206 Wagner pictured below is PSA's very first graded/authenticated card being the very first PSA flip. It also appears that the Wagner flip hologram was an outside sticker? It looks like it is peeling off in the scan below.
Some more examples.
PSA flip style 2. 1992 - 1999 Note The slashes through zeros are gone. The bar code is shortened and centered. The back of the flip still has the "PSA" hologram, but PSA made a change with the hologram. The hologram is bonded on the inside and not on the outside. The white PSA logo is the same, bonded on the outside. This also was when PSA starting putting their logo on the bottom right of the slab.
PSA flip style 3. (This is a guess) 2000 - 200? The flip front has no changes from style 2. The back of this flip had changed. The hologram had changed from "PSA" to "COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE".
PSA flip style 4. (This is a guess) 200?- 200? Note the bar code is now aligned to the left from this style to present day. The font numbers have been shortened and font letters are wider and rounder. Also the grade positioning is to the left and not aligned to the right. No changes on the back of this flip had been made.
PSA flip style 5. 200? - 200? Note this is a rarely seen flip. Note the flip front is similar to styles 2 and 3. The letter and number font has changed back to the similar font used on styles 2 and 3. The grade alignment had changed back to the right. PSA also changed the red border on the flip's front. The white field within the red border no longer has rounded corners making the white field squared. The back of the flip has changed as well. The hologram on the back of the flip is gone and replaced with "A COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE COMPANY". The back logo and writing is now bonded to the inside of the plastic. The white PSA logo that was bonded to the outside of the plastic is changed as well. The back blue field is a light blue unlike all the styles preceding/proceeding this flip. The PSA logo is the same font lettering and positioning only now it is bonded on the inside of the plastic and is silver in color.
PSA flip style 6. 200?- February 12, 2008 This flip front is exactly like style 5. The back of this flip's field is now a much darker blue. Also the back has changed from style 5. The back had changed from "A COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE COMPANY" to "A DIVISION OF COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE NASDAQ CLCT" which is what is used to date. The PSA logo on the back is the same as style 5. The back of these flips are the same as present day flips. Also there were a very small number of half grades issued in this style flip before they moved the numerical grade below the descriptive grade(See style 7). There is a 1954 Ted Williams photographed in the SMR announcing the half grade launch which displayed as "NM-MT+ 8.5".
PSA flip style 7. February 12, 2008 - Present day Note this is when PSA introduced the .5 grading system. The only change is the positioning of the grade number (9 is under Mint). No changes on the back of the flip.
if you have info on years or good examples or anything to add please post and let us all know. I think this thread could be very useful for people in the future.
I might go even further and do tall boy/larger sized, PSA/DNA, and wax/cello pack flips as well.
I completely understand folks taking breaks from this joint for a while, but all the recent scorched-earth departures in a huff are pointless and lame.
I'm bummed to see twiley check out this way... but I'm glad to see that a lot of the useful info in this thread was archived. +1 for Jeff! I'd suggest starting a new thread with that archived info so it can be searched by title in the future.
<< <i>Leaving the forum in this manner is a disease. >>
I believe it is an addiction, which is different from a disease.
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<< <i>If I have a feud going with anyone let me know, because I can't keep up with all this anymore. I don't even know what twiley was mad about.
Thanks Jeff, for saving the info. It helped me before when I saw an unfamiliar style flip on ebay, came here and saw the same style posted here. >>
+ 1
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Leaving the forum in this manner is a disease. >>
I believe it is an addiction, which is different from a disease. >>
Losing is a disease.
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+1 for The Natural.
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I have some flip issues myself. The darker one looks like all the PSA slabbed cards that I own.
All three:
Agganis:
Dempsey:
Walcott:
Sorry about the strange image sizing. I think it has to do with how the image is oriented.
<< <i>Mark, That would be awesome. I would like to do Tallboys , packs (wax/cello), and Odd ball stuff. Might as well cover it all. This way nobody is buying a CL fake '52 Mantle
Sorry, didn't see your reply Tim. Will work at scans this weekend. I guess I will just PM them so you can insert them however you want.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Edited to add that would make it style two.
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<< <i>I noticed they have moved the number up to follow the grade and not be on a seperate line.
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Look on page 1 at Flip style #6. This apparently occurred for a brief period right after the .5 scale began.
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FIN
Oh wow, I haven't seen this card before that I can remember???
Awesome card Bobby, and well worthy of the grade I think.
Ya, what's with twileys edit rampage?
<< <i>Ya, what's with twileys edit rampage? >>
Looks like maybe he took his ball and went home? LOL
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Hi, This has always intrigued me. The history of PSA's flips. So I decided to the best of my knowledge put this together for future reference for all to use when ever someone has a flip question. Especially if they want to know if a flip is legitimate or not. This is a work in progress and a rough draft and will be corrected if there are errors and corrections that need to be made. If something is not correct please let me know so I can make the correction on this post.
Regular standard size flip:
PSA flip style 1. 1991 - 1992 This style flip is PSA's first flip ever produced.
Note the slashes through the zeros and the bar code is long. The back of the flip has a hologram that has "PSA" within it. The hologram is bonded on the outside, but it's not a sticker. It is bonded to the plastic the same way the white PSA logo is. The T206 Wagner pictured below is PSA's very first graded/authenticated card being the very first PSA flip. It also appears that the Wagner flip hologram was an outside sticker? It looks like it is peeling off in the scan below.
Some more examples.
PSA flip style 2. 1992 - 1999
Note The slashes through zeros are gone. The bar code is shortened and centered. The back of the flip still has the "PSA" hologram, but PSA made a change with the hologram. The hologram is bonded on the inside and not on the outside. The white PSA logo is the same, bonded on the outside. This also was when PSA starting putting their logo on the bottom right of the slab.
PSA flip style 3. (This is a guess) 2000 - 200?
The flip front has no changes from style 2. The back of this flip had changed. The hologram had changed from "PSA" to "COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE".
PSA flip style 4. (This is a guess) 200?- 200?
Note the bar code is now aligned to the left from this style to present day. The font numbers have been shortened and font letters are wider and rounder. Also the grade positioning is to the left and not aligned to the right. No changes on the back of this flip had been made.
PSA flip style 5. 200? - 200?
Note this is a rarely seen flip. Note the flip front is similar to styles 2 and 3. The letter and number font has changed back to the similar font used on styles 2 and 3. The grade alignment had changed back to the right. PSA also changed the red border on the flip's front. The white field within the red border no longer has rounded corners making the white field squared. The back of the flip has changed as well. The hologram on the back of the flip is gone and replaced with "A COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE COMPANY". The back logo and writing is now bonded to the inside of the plastic. The white PSA logo that was bonded to the outside of the plastic is changed as well. The back blue field is a light blue unlike all the styles preceding/proceeding this flip. The PSA logo is the same font lettering and positioning only now it is bonded on the inside of the plastic and is silver in color.
PSA flip style 6. 200?- February 12, 2008
This flip front is exactly like style 5. The back of this flip's field is now a much darker blue. Also the back has changed from style 5. The back had changed from "A COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE COMPANY" to "A DIVISION OF COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE NASDAQ CLCT" which is what is used to date. The PSA logo on the back is the same as style 5. The back of these flips are the same as present day flips. Also there were a very small number of half grades issued in this style flip before they moved the numerical grade below the descriptive grade(See style 7). There is a 1954 Ted Williams photographed in the SMR announcing the half grade launch which displayed as "NM-MT+ 8.5".
PSA flip style 7. February 12, 2008 - Present day
Note this is when PSA introduced the .5 grading system. The only change is the positioning of the grade number (9 is under Mint). No changes on the back of the flip.
if you have info on years or good examples or anything to add please post and let us all know. I think this thread could be very useful for people in the future.
I might go even further and do tall boy/larger sized, PSA/DNA, and wax/cello pack flips as well.
Thanks for looking
Tim
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I completely understand folks taking breaks from this joint for a while, but all the recent scorched-earth departures in a huff are pointless and lame.
I'm bummed to see twiley check out this way... but I'm glad to see that a lot of the useful info in this thread was archived. +1 for Jeff! I'd suggest starting a new thread with that archived info so it can be searched by title in the future.
EDIT: to add the link.
<< <i>I had the same thought after I posted the archive, so I started a new thread with the same title. Thanks!
D'oh! Hah. Now I see it. Great!
aconte
Thanks Jeff, for saving the info. It helped me before when I saw an unfamiliar style flip on ebay, came here and saw the same style posted here.
Josh Hamilton Thread
<< <i>Leaving the forum in this manner is a disease. >>
I believe it is an addiction, which is different from a disease.
<< <i>If I have a feud going with anyone let me know, because I can't keep up with all this anymore. I don't even know what twiley was mad about.
Thanks Jeff, for saving the info. It helped me before when I saw an unfamiliar style flip on ebay, came here and saw the same style posted here. >>
+ 1
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<< <i>Leaving the forum in this manner is a disease. >>
I believe it is an addiction, which is different from a disease. >>
Losing is a disease.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Leaving the forum in this manner is a disease. >>
I believe it is an addiction, which is different from a disease. >>
Losing is a disease.
+1 for The Natural.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Leaving the forum in this manner is a disease. >>
I believe it is an addiction, which is different from a disease. >>
Losing is a disease.
yeah, but I don't think it's too big of a loss...he should've left months ago when he made fun of special needs children and the special olympics.
<< <i>I think this thread is what got him hot and bothered:
Josh Hamilton Thread >>
Has the thread been deleted?
Oh Jeff....happen to have this one archived...lol
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