<< <i>"Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed."
>>
Does this mean we can't post anything about the goofy fake 1964 Peace dollars?
This forum is "private property" that belongs to our host. We have been given permission to participate on the forums by our host and thus have been given a "privilege".
We have no "Right" to particpate. Many persons believe that "Rights" are all over the place and that new ones are found to exist daily, weekly or even hourly. Balderdash. Most "Rights" are matters of contract between contracting parties. Very few "Rights" exist that are held by everyone. Those that do exist are set forth in the Constitution [which as has been pointed out was designed to place LIMITS on the power of government (i.e. the government can not restrict our "Right" to free speech and religion) over the governed; and I have no free speech "Right" that allows me to say whatever I want on the forums without penalty].
Further, people seem to forget (or worse have never learned) that for every "Right" that exists, so does a concomittant "Obligation".
The person or persons who have the "Right" have a benefit (to receive the subtantive benefit of the right).
The person (or government, aka taxpayers) that is saddled with the concomittant "Obligation" that exists with each "Right" has a burden (to provide the substantive benefit of the right).
On the forums we do not have a "Right" to anything. Neither does our host have an ""Obligation" to provide us with anything.
"Privileges" can be revoked/withdrawn at any time.
"Responsibilities" go along with those who have the benefit of "Rights" and of "Privileges". Those responsibilities include complying with the rules of our host.
If the rules of our host are cramping one's style; you do not have to stick around. You do not have the "Right" to demand that our host do/change anything. There are other places you can go to express yourself and the opinions, views, positions, arguments, etc. that you hold.
Further, if through rules of our host, the forums become a place where people do not want to hang out, our host can not compel people to log on, hang out and post.
My oldest son just tuned 20. My youngest son will soon be 18. Both have commented on become a legal adult and having "Freedom". I just smile. My oldest son is now learning first hand that the "Freedom" that comes with being a legal Adult (my parents can not tell me what to do!!!!) is not all that it is cracked up to be. It is hard work and it involves a whole heck of a lot of "Responsibility" [making decisions for yourself and having on one but yourself to take the credit or blame for the consequences of your decision].
So in closing, remember that we are guests who have been invited to participate. Try to follow the rules set by our host and if you are unwilling or unable to do so, then do not complain when your invitation is withdrawn. Simply find another place to express yourself.
the only thing this thread is missing is a giveaway based upon when the thread is either locked or poofed.
as an apparent forum police member, I just want to say I'm trying to be helpful and keep people out of trouble. every message board or forum has it's rules or lack of rules. each has its own personality. The "experience" is controlled by the moderators. It is a free country. That's why you are free to set up your own service if you do not like the rules of the one you are on. I'm just trying to help. We lost some good members lately. I hate to see them go.
I know its a 'FREE' site, but its not FREE. Every time we buy a coin, or sell a coin housed in plastic, we fund sites like this.
A zero tolerance policy is ridiculous and childish. Not too mention patently UNAMERICAN
Just another reason I buy UNSLABBED PM'S and not coins in plastic.
And thank you for the soon to be bamming Im sure for not bowing to the almighty PCGS.
ALL HAIL PCGS >>
In reading the above post titled CENSORSHIP i noted a comment by Don Willis I think makes alot of sense...:
Many potential contributors and interested parties leave here because of this. It is especially frustrating when YNs are involved and their parents are pulling them off the boards because a few posters act like idiots. I don't care how good a guy someone is - I have banned posters who I have been friendly with for years - you can't just say anything you want on the boards and not think of who might be reading it.
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
With all due respect to our hosts it would be nice to have a sticky at the top of the forum along the lines of a "learn from these guys who are named mistakes or you're next". To further the thought of the Johnny Cash song--think of it like a "Top Ten Ways Previous Members Here Were Bammed". It would atleast make for some comical reading and a users guide with examples, as well as sort of like a "cemetary" for some of our dearly beloved deceased members.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Do I have the right to a bottle in front of me? >>
The captain is on the starboard and I'm drunk on the port. Or is it the other way around? >>
And the OP is on the poopdeck.......
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
It'd probably have been expressed better if he noted that corporate control of open-to-the-public speech venues can in some hands lead to a sort of censorship which is stifling to the original reason such venues exist for in the first place. These, of course, are just general hypothetical comments not necessarily reflecting any web forums, IRC channels, usenet groups, or e-mail lists, among others.
(Now, is that a Feldithetical or a Lustigthetical?)
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
Oh I so thank you for not poofing this thread until I got a good laugh! Touting the good 'ol freedom of speech in the first amendment argument on a PRIVATE forum. That is a good one!
Oh I so thank you for not poofing this thread until I got a good laugh! Touting the good 'ol freedom of speech in the first amendment argument on a PRIVATE forum. That is a good one! >>
A serious question, since many have bought it up, and I'm not sure what either the legal or common sense answers would be, and if they are the same or not. Is a forum that is open to basically anyone who registers truly "private?" When we consider businesses, they do not have absolute rights over them. They cannot, for example, discriminate in hiring or WRT customers. They must pay certain wages, have certain licenses in some cases, and have some safety standards. So, what are the standards with commercially owned forums basically open to the general public? I don't think we can say there is no right to free speech on such forums, but it is also clear that it is less limited than on a public sidewalk or a self-published book. It seems like the US coin forum speech should be about US numismatics (or the US coin forum itself in metadiscussion), so it is limited that way, but it seems like we should allow differences in opinion therein. I want to write more, but the clock tells me I want to watch some mediocre TV show.
Not that I don't know how to grade coins, as I do well. But let me tell ya, if you want to run right out and buy yourself a 3 or 4 thousand dollar raw coin based on your skills, go for it. I think I'll stick to letting the pros handle the grading and take the pcgs guarantee. But you go.....suicide bomber, yes in more ways than one, at least suicide
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Oh I so thank you for not poofing this thread until I got a good laugh! Touting the good 'ol freedom of speech in the first amendment argument on a PRIVATE forum. That is a good one! >>
A serious question, since many have bought it up, and I'm not sure what either the legal or common sense answers would be, and if they are the same or not. Is a forum that is open to basically anyone who registers truly "private?" When we consider businesses, they do not have absolute rights over them. They cannot, for example, discriminate in hiring or WRT customers. They must pay certain wages, have certain licenses in some cases, and have some safety standards. So, what are the standards with commercially owned forums basically open to the general public? I don't think we can say there is no right to free speech on such forums, but it is also clear that it is less limited than on a public sidewalk or a self-published book. It seems like the US coin forum speech should be about US numismatics (or the US coin forum itself in metadiscussion), so it is limited that way, but it seems like we should allow differences in opinion therein. I want to write more, but the clock tells me I want to watch some mediocre TV show. >>
It is funny. You go to USENet where there are practically no rules other than an Acceptable Use Policy largely against spam, some anti-abuse/stalking rules, and giving those who run the network right to police it under their discretion(they can zap some patently illegal stuff if they see fit), which generally allows a lot of vile, sick, bizarre, etc. things to be posted.
You get users who "want to know who runs USENet because they are going to complain about some post or behavior."
You give people few rules, there are some that want rules.
You give people rules, and there are some that complain there shouldn't be rules.
Lesson: you can't please everyone. Running one of these things is a lesson in that.
You are more than an American in my view, but the fact that you serve does not mean I think you should have less rights.
Zero Tolerance policies are ALWAYS abused.
No editing needed.
I speak my mind under the rights given to me under the first amendment.
Even if that means a deletion of my forum membership.
SPEAK UP ITS YOUR MONEY FUNDING THIS SITE AND THE PEOPLE AT PCGS >>
It always amazes me when people believe that the constitution somehow applies to a private chatboard. The first amendment was to protect citizens from government. You have the right to say what ever you well please on these boards, and PCGS has the right to ban you. No one is stopping your from saying anything, but sometimes those words have consequences. Try pitching your first amendment argument in a Las Vegas Casino sometime. You will quickly be escorted to the door and never let back in and probably banned from every other casino in Vegas. >>
This forum is "private property" that belongs to our host. We have been given permission to participate on the forums by our host and thus have been given a "privilege".
We have no "Right" to particpate. Many persons believe that "Rights" are all over the place and that new ones are found to exist daily, weekly or even hourly. Balderdash. Most "Rights" are matters of contract between contracting parties. Very few "Rights" exist that are held by everyone. Those that do exist are set forth in the Constitution [which as has been pointed out was designed to place LIMITS on the power of government (i.e. the government can not restrict our "Right" to free speech and religion) over the governed; and I have no free speech "Right" that allows me to say whatever I want on the forums without penalty].
Further, people seem to forget (or worse have never learned) that for every "Right" that exists, so does a concomittant "Obligation".
The person or persons who have the "Right" have a benefit (to receive the subtantive benefit of the right).
The person (or government, aka taxpayers) that is saddled with the concomittant "Obligation" that exists with each "Right" has a burden (to provide the substantive benefit of the right).
On the forums we do not have a "Right" to anything. Neither does our host have an ""Obligation" to provide us with anything.
"Privileges" can be revoked/withdrawn at any time.
"Responsibilities" go along with those who have the benefit of "Rights" and of "Privileges". Those responsibilities include complying with the rules of our host.
If the rules of our host are cramping one's style; you do not have to stick around. You do not have the "Right" to demand that our host do/change anything. There are other places you can go to express yourself and the opinions, views, positions, arguments, etc. that you hold.
Further, if through rules of our host, the forums become a place where people do not want to hang out, our host can not compel people to log on, hang out and post.
My oldest son just tuned 20. My youngest son will soon be 18. Both have commented on become a legal adult and having "Freedom". I just smile. My oldest son is now learning first hand that the "Freedom" that comes with being a legal Adult (my parents can not tell me what to do!!!!) is not all that it is cracked up to be. It is hard work and it involves a whole heck of a lot of "Responsibility" [making decisions for yourself and having on one but yourself to take the credit or blame for the consequences of your decision].
So in closing, remember that we are guests who have been invited to participate. Try to follow the rules set by our host and if you are unwilling or unable to do so, then do not complain when your invitation is withdrawn. Simply find another place to express yourself. >>
Know what? Sanction is probably a damn good attorney---because, unlike most attorneys, I never have a problem understanding his writings.
I'm the Proud recipient of a genuine "you suck" award dated 1/24/05. I was accepted into the "Circle of Trust" on 3/9/09.
This is a coin forum provided by PCGS. I wish everyone would follow the PCGS rules for this forum. It is not an "open" forum. If it were an "open" forum, fellows like me would not need to waste our time by opening any of the threads. I am interested in constructive COIN threads, not the silly talk that has been allowed recently. I wish PCGS was able to enforce their forum rules more quickly, kill the improper threads, and ban the posters not following the simple PCGS forum rules.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Comments
<< <i>"Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting privileges may be removed."
Does this mean we can't post anything about the goofy fake 1964 Peace dollars?
<< <i>Does this mean we can't post anything about the goofy fake 1964 Peace dollars? >>
They're not fake, they're fantasy!
<< <i>I do believe we need to hear a little Johnny Cash:
Walk The Line >>
HAH! Now That's funny.
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
"Obligations" and "Responsibilities".
"Private property".
Interesting terms all.
This forum is "private property" that belongs to our host. We have been given permission to participate on the forums by our host and thus have been given a "privilege".
We have no "Right" to particpate. Many persons believe that "Rights" are all over the place and that new ones are found to exist daily, weekly or even hourly. Balderdash. Most "Rights" are matters of contract between contracting parties. Very few "Rights" exist that are held by everyone. Those that do exist are set forth in the Constitution [which as has been pointed out was designed to place LIMITS on the power of government (i.e. the government can not restrict our "Right" to free speech and religion) over the governed; and I have no free speech "Right" that allows me to say whatever I want on the forums without penalty].
Further, people seem to forget (or worse have never learned) that for every "Right" that exists, so does a concomittant "Obligation".
The person or persons who have the "Right" have a benefit (to receive the subtantive benefit of the right).
The person (or government, aka taxpayers) that is saddled with the concomittant "Obligation" that exists with each "Right" has a burden (to provide the substantive benefit of the right).
On the forums we do not have a "Right" to anything. Neither does our host have an ""Obligation" to provide us with anything.
"Privileges" can be revoked/withdrawn at any time.
"Responsibilities" go along with those who have the benefit of "Rights" and of "Privileges". Those responsibilities include complying with the rules of our host.
If the rules of our host are cramping one's style; you do not have to stick around. You do not have the "Right" to demand that our host do/change anything. There are other places you can go to express yourself and the opinions, views, positions, arguments, etc. that you hold.
Further, if through rules of our host, the forums become a place where people do not want to hang out, our host can not compel people to log on, hang out and post.
My oldest son just tuned 20. My youngest son will soon be 18. Both have commented on become a legal adult and having "Freedom". I just smile. My oldest son is now learning first hand that the "Freedom" that comes with being a legal Adult (my parents can not tell me what to do!!!!) is not all that it is cracked up to be. It is hard work and it involves a whole heck of a lot of "Responsibility" [making decisions for yourself and having on one but yourself to take the credit or blame for the consequences of your decision].
So in closing, remember that we are guests who have been invited to participate. Try to follow the rules set by our host and if you are unwilling or unable to do so, then do not complain when your invitation is withdrawn. Simply find another place to express yourself.
<< <i>
<< <i>I do believe we need to hear a little Johnny Cash:
Walk The Line >>
HAH! Now That's funny.
that was pretty good.
the only thing this thread is missing is a giveaway based upon when the thread is either locked or poofed.
as an apparent forum police member, I just want to say I'm trying to be helpful and keep people out of trouble. every message board or forum has it's rules or lack of rules. each has its own personality. The "experience" is controlled by the moderators. It is a free country. That's why you are free to set up your own service if you do not like the rules of the one you are on. I'm just trying to help. We lost some good members lately. I hate to see them go.
You have the right to council by more
rational members of the Forum
You have the right to a frontal lobotomy
You have the right to say anything you wish, as long
as nobody hears or sees you.
You have the right to swim the Rio Grand and sneak into Mexico
You have the right to go away and never return.
Camelot
<< <i>You have the right to remain silent
You have the right to council by more
rational members of the Forum
You have the right to a frontal lobotomy
You have the right to say anything you wish, as long
as nobody hears or sees you.
You have the right to swim the Rio Grand and sneak into Mexico
You have the right to go away and never return.
Now THAT is funny lol
<< <i>Censorship.
I know its a 'FREE' site, but its not FREE. Every time we buy a coin, or sell a coin housed in plastic, we fund sites like this.
A zero tolerance policy is ridiculous and childish. Not too mention patently UNAMERICAN
Just another reason I buy UNSLABBED PM'S and not coins in plastic.
And thank you for the soon to be bamming Im sure for not bowing to the almighty PCGS.
ALL HAIL PCGS >>
In reading the above post titled CENSORSHIP i noted a comment by Don Willis I think makes alot of sense...:
Many potential contributors and interested parties leave here because of this. It is especially frustrating when YNs are involved and their parents are pulling them off the boards because a few posters act like idiots. I don't care how good a guy someone is - I have banned posters who I have been friendly with for years - you can't just say anything you want on the boards and not think of who might be reading it.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Do I have the right to a bottle in front of me?
<< <i>"You have the right to a frontal lobotomy"
Do I have the right to a bottle in front of me? >>
The captain is on the starboard and I'm drunk on the port. (not really
<< <i>
<< <i>"You have the right to a frontal lobotomy"
Do I have the right to a bottle in front of me? >>
The captain is on the starboard and I'm drunk on the port. Or is it the other way around? >>
And the OP is on the poopdeck.......
<< <i>
<< <i>"You have the right to a frontal lobotomy"
Do I have the right to a bottle in front of me? >>
The captain drinks Starbucks and I'm drunk on port. >>
Fixed it for you...
<< <i>? >>
It'd probably have been expressed better if he noted that corporate control of open-to-the-public speech venues can in some hands lead to a sort of censorship which is stifling to the original reason such venues exist for in the first place. These, of course, are just general hypothetical comments not necessarily reflecting any web forums, IRC channels, usenet groups, or e-mail lists, among others.
(Now, is that a Feldithetical or a Lustigthetical?)
Ed. S.
(EJS)
<< <i>This guy was a suicide bomber!! >>
Oh I so thank you for not poofing this thread until I got a good laugh! Touting the good 'ol freedom of speech in the first amendment argument on a PRIVATE forum. That is a good one!
11 posts in this thread today sir, that'll be enough suckin up for today sir.
<< <i>Hey Colonel LLafoe,
11 posts in this thread today sir, that'll be enough suckin up for today sir.
But I had so much more to say!
<< <i>
<< <i>This guy was a suicide bomber!! >>
Oh I so thank you for not poofing this thread until I got a good laugh! Touting the good 'ol freedom of speech in the first amendment argument on a PRIVATE forum. That is a good one!
A serious question, since many have bought it up, and I'm not sure what either the legal or common sense answers would be, and if they are the same or not. Is a forum that is open to basically anyone who registers truly "private?" When we consider businesses, they do not have absolute rights over them. They cannot, for example, discriminate in hiring or WRT customers. They must pay certain wages, have certain licenses in some cases, and have some safety standards. So, what are the standards with commercially owned forums basically open to the general public? I don't think we can say there is no right to free speech on such forums, but it is also clear that it is less limited than on a public sidewalk or a self-published book. It seems like the US coin forum speech should be about US numismatics (or the US coin forum itself in metadiscussion), so it is limited that way, but it seems like we should allow differences in opinion therein. I want to write more, but the clock tells me I want to watch some mediocre TV show.
Ed. S.
(EJS)
<< <i>This guy was a suicide bomber!! >>
Nice to see you let this go a bit.
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>This guy was a suicide bomber!! >>
Oh I so thank you for not poofing this thread until I got a good laugh! Touting the good 'ol freedom of speech in the first amendment argument on a PRIVATE forum. That is a good one!
A serious question, since many have bought it up, and I'm not sure what either the legal or common sense answers would be, and if they are the same or not. Is a forum that is open to basically anyone who registers truly "private?" When we consider businesses, they do not have absolute rights over them. They cannot, for example, discriminate in hiring or WRT customers. They must pay certain wages, have certain licenses in some cases, and have some safety standards. So, what are the standards with commercially owned forums basically open to the general public? I don't think we can say there is no right to free speech on such forums, but it is also clear that it is less limited than on a public sidewalk or a self-published book. It seems like the US coin forum speech should be about US numismatics (or the US coin forum itself in metadiscussion), so it is limited that way, but it seems like we should allow differences in opinion therein. I want to write more, but the clock tells me I want to watch some mediocre TV show. >>
It is funny. You go to USENet where there are practically no rules other than an Acceptable Use Policy largely against spam, some anti-abuse/stalking rules, and giving those who run the network right to police it under their discretion(they can zap some patently illegal stuff if they see fit), which generally allows a lot of vile, sick, bizarre, etc. things to be posted.
You get users who "want to know who runs USENet because they are going to complain about some post or behavior."
You give people few rules, there are some that want rules.
You give people rules, and there are some that complain there shouldn't be rules.
Lesson: you can't please everyone. Running one of these things is a lesson in that.
Sit back and enjoy the ride.
<< <i>
<< <i>With limited rights?
You are more than an American in my view, but the fact that you serve does not mean I think you should have less rights.
Zero Tolerance policies are ALWAYS abused.
No editing needed.
I speak my mind under the rights given to me under the first amendment.
Even if that means a deletion of my forum membership.
SPEAK UP ITS YOUR MONEY FUNDING THIS SITE AND THE PEOPLE AT PCGS >>
It always amazes me when people believe that the constitution somehow applies to a private chatboard. The first amendment was to protect citizens from government. You have the right to say what ever you well please on these boards, and PCGS has the right to ban you. No one is stopping your from saying anything, but sometimes those words have consequences. Try pitching your first amendment argument in a Las Vegas Casino sometime. You will quickly be escorted to the door and never let back in and probably banned from every other casino in Vegas. >>
On point and I agree 100 %
<< <i>"Rights" and "Privileges".
"Obligations" and "Responsibilities".
"Private property".
Interesting terms all.
This forum is "private property" that belongs to our host. We have been given permission to participate on the forums by our host and thus have been given a "privilege".
We have no "Right" to particpate. Many persons believe that "Rights" are all over the place and that new ones are found to exist daily, weekly or even hourly. Balderdash. Most "Rights" are matters of contract between contracting parties. Very few "Rights" exist that are held by everyone. Those that do exist are set forth in the Constitution [which as has been pointed out was designed to place LIMITS on the power of government (i.e. the government can not restrict our "Right" to free speech and religion) over the governed; and I have no free speech "Right" that allows me to say whatever I want on the forums without penalty].
Further, people seem to forget (or worse have never learned) that for every "Right" that exists, so does a concomittant "Obligation".
The person or persons who have the "Right" have a benefit (to receive the subtantive benefit of the right).
The person (or government, aka taxpayers) that is saddled with the concomittant "Obligation" that exists with each "Right" has a burden (to provide the substantive benefit of the right).
On the forums we do not have a "Right" to anything. Neither does our host have an ""Obligation" to provide us with anything.
"Privileges" can be revoked/withdrawn at any time.
"Responsibilities" go along with those who have the benefit of "Rights" and of "Privileges". Those responsibilities include complying with the rules of our host.
If the rules of our host are cramping one's style; you do not have to stick around. You do not have the "Right" to demand that our host do/change anything. There are other places you can go to express yourself and the opinions, views, positions, arguments, etc. that you hold.
Further, if through rules of our host, the forums become a place where people do not want to hang out, our host can not compel people to log on, hang out and post.
My oldest son just tuned 20. My youngest son will soon be 18. Both have commented on become a legal adult and having "Freedom". I just smile. My oldest son is now learning first hand that the "Freedom" that comes with being a legal Adult (my parents can not tell me what to do!!!!) is not all that it is cracked up to be. It is hard work and it involves a whole heck of a lot of "Responsibility" [making decisions for yourself and having on one but yourself to take the credit or blame for the consequences of your decision].
So in closing, remember that we are guests who have been invited to participate. Try to follow the rules set by our host and if you are unwilling or unable to do so, then do not complain when your invitation is withdrawn. Simply find another place to express yourself. >>
Know what? Sanction is probably a damn good attorney---because, unlike most attorneys, I never have a problem understanding his writings.
this is a learning lesson, on what not to do and say.
Camelot
Hoard the keys.