Thoughts on this 1795 Large Cent

AnkurJ

Decided to photograph this the other day. Resides in my large cent album, but I was thinking about getting it slabbed.

Not as red in hand. Will it slab? Surfaces are very clean, but it probably had a cleaning or dip at one point.

Love it? Hate it?

ColonialCoinUnion

With that cleaning halo around Ms. Liberty it's a No Grade for cleaning.

llafoe

Do you think it's been recolored at some point? You can always get it net graded and "slabbed" in an EAC flip.

coirn

I"m questioning whether it's genuine or not.

jmski52

A pleasing coin, but cleaned.

Spooly

Looks like a sheldon 74, cleaned

AnkurJ

<< <i>I"m questioning whether it's genuine or not. >>



Well that I hope doesnt come to question. It was purchased from a very reputable EAC dealer, and I still have the recipt God forbid.

RYK

Definitely cleaned. Not worth slabbing.

SoCalBigMark

You remind me of me when I first started collecting, too much money and not enough knowledge...

Spooly

The more I look at this the more I dont like.

Something about the reverse, the leaves dont look right.

Sheldon 76a?

Is anything on the edge?

1/100 doesn't look right.

Berry stems are very long.

RYK

No doubt it was obtained for a good price!

llafoe

<< <i>You remind me of me when I first started dating, too much money and not enough knowledge... >>



Fixed it for you...

AnkurJ

There is no doubt that the coin was cleaned, as I stated in the original post. And yes it was net priced.
I bought it because the overall look was nice, and it was not corroded.
There is no edge lettering.

CoinJunkie

I'm certainly no early copper expert, but I haven't seen many in graded slabs with that look.

coirn

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<< <i>I"m questioning whether it's genuine or not. >>



Well that I hope doesnt come to question. It was purchased from a very reputable EAC dealer, and I still have the recipt God forbid. >>



This is one of those rare occasions where I am grateful to be wrong!

savoyspecial

it's genuine


50/50 chance on slabbing (old cleaning)


enjoy it raw!

BigE

I wonder what that coin would look like if put in Dellars Darkener? I dont know what the value of the above coin is.-----------------------BigE

ecichlid

To answer your questions. I do not like it. I strongly suspect it will slab as Genuine.

llafoe

<< <i>I wonder what that coin would look like if put in Dellars Darkener? I dont know what the value of the above coin is.-----------------------BigE >>



It would look like it's in a normal PCGS slab since it wouldn't make it into a SecurePlus slab.

AnkurJ

Well, back in the album it goes until I upgrade! (not a priority)

Thanks for the posts everyone. I knew it was cleaned so expected the worst.

MikeInFL

Red halo around the obverse devices are the dead giveaway the coin has been lightened at one time. I would give it next to no chance of getting in a problem free holder at PCGS.

On the bright side, the surfaces look smooth and corrosion free. I'm surprised that coin wasn't worked to look better -- it certainly seems to be a good candidate for some expert darkening.

Not a bad coin -- heck, any US coin that starts with a 17 is super cool in my book -- but I would wait for something more wholesome, personally.

Hope this helps...Mike

LoveMyLiberty

Has all the features of an S-76b, which is a plain edge.
(the S-76a is a lettered edge, but it's thought some were
also plain edge) Both varieties used same obv/rev.
Weigh it if you care. the S-76b was 168 grains (10.89 grams)
S-76a is 208 grains (13.48 grams)

Not wild about the coin.

notwilight

It is unusual to find such smooth even wear in these early cents. It was probably cleaned many many years ago and allowed to retone naturally. I agree it is a candidage for recoloring. --jerry

BillJones

The piece appears to be genuine to me. This comes in two major planchet weights and thicknesses. The S-76-A has a letter edge and the S-76-B has a plain edge. The plain edge coin is much more common.

Here is a Mint State example of the variety you can use for comparison purposes.




As to whether or not the piece will grade, I'd say that it would come back in a "genuine" holder because of the cleaning and possible re-coloring. But I've missed enough times on which early copper coins would grade and which ones would not to make me less than an authority. At any rate in the world of early copper, certification in a holder is as necessary as it is for other series. Most early copper collectors like their coins raw.

BillJones

<< <i>You remind me of me when I first started collecting, too much money and not enough knowledge... >>





Before you criticize him too much, the piece he bought has a complete lettering, which is very hard to find on the Pole to Cap cents, and the surfaces are smooth. Aside from the cleaning the piece is attractive, and nice examples of these coins are seldom seen, even in the inventories of the large dealers at the major shows.

It all depends on what he paid, but if he paid a fair market price for this coin, there is nothing wrong with it at the proper level.

notwilight

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<< <i>You remind me of me when I first started collecting, too much money and not enough knowledge... >>

Before you criticize him too much, the piece he bought has a complete lettering, which is very hard to find on the Pole to Cap cents, and the surfaces are smooth. Aside from the cleaning the piece is attractive, and nice examples of these coins are seldom seen, even in the inventories of the large dealers at the major shows. It all depends on what he paid, but if he paid a fair market price for this coin, there is nothing wrong with it at the proper level. >>



As usual, I agree with what Bill said. --jerry

ElKevvo

I think it is a great coin and agree with what Bill said.

K