The rim is missing and rough in some areas---the denticles go off the edge of the coin. I would say it's fake unless the pics aren't a fair representation of the coin.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Disclaimers aside, the obverse crumbling doesn't bother me much -- I seem to recall seeing other type 3s like that. The reverse rim (from 8 to 11 o'clock), or lack thereof, would have me concerned with authenticity.
By way of example, here is a picture of a raw Type 3 (the same coin as my avatar at right, now in a PCGS MS 65 slab):
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Hmmmm the small photos have right color for counterfeit gold, the larger photos show it flat and lifeless. BUT, the one clear indicator of genuine is there, thats a weak IC in america, on the obverse. Ill look through my books in a little while and see if any depressions match those shown in the photos in fivaz or lonesome john.
overall though it looks fake (from across the room)
how is the reeding? It should be thin and very delicate, and rounded looking both to the eye and to the touch.
The breakdown (granularity) in the dentils is normal for these, It can happen anywhere on the coin so that alone means nothing. I dont see any spikes though, that points genuine also.
Can't tell from those photos, but my gut feeling is NG. TD
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Thanks for the help. This is the best I can do with the photo's - small coin. Color is more like in the smaller pics. I will tell the owner just to scrap it then.
The dentiles on the right side of the obverse are very funky. Sadly I have to vote "counterfeit."
Odd dentiles are not unusual for genuine gold dollars of this era, especially on the reverse, but they don't look like THOSE dentiles.
The frosty outside and less frosty inside looks funky too.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Yes denticles was what concerned me as well. Ex-Jewelry?
Disclaimers aside, the obverse crumbling doesn't bother me much -- I seem to recall seeing other type 3s like that. The reverse rim (from 8 to 11 o'clock), or lack thereof, would have me concerned with authenticity.
By way of example, here is a picture of a raw Type 3 (the same coin as my avatar at right, now in a PCGS MS 65 slab):
overall though it looks fake (from across the room)
how is the reeding? It should be thin and very delicate, and rounded looking both to the eye and to the touch.
The breakdown (granularity) in the dentils is normal for these, It can happen anywhere on the coin so that alone means nothing. I dont see any spikes though, that points genuine also.
again.....tough to say from photos
TD
That is a really nice one there Mike.
Odd dentiles are not unusual for genuine gold dollars of this era, especially on the reverse, but they don't look like THOSE dentiles.
The frosty outside and less frosty inside looks funky too.