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Sticker Shock at the Post Office this Morning!!

Morning,

Knew rates were going up just didn't realize how much the increases target our business model, and then when Fee-Bay starts taking a percentage of our shipping, well after absorbing USPS increases since 2006 with nary a penny more I will no longer be able to do it, rates are going up in my Store!

All of my stuff is sent in Bubble Mailers with DC. And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. So these rates are for 1st class Parcel's! I charge $2.50 for up to 10 raw and $3 for Graded.

Ounce Old rate New rate DC Bulk Mailer at .19 Cents Net W/$2.50 Charge Net W/$3.00 charge

1 $1.22 $1.71 .80 .19 $2.70 = -.20 cents Loss NA
2 $1.39 $1.71 .80 .19 $2.70 = -.20 cent loss NA
3 $1.56 $1.71 .80 .19 $2.70 = -.20 cent loss $2.70 = + .30
4 $1.73 $1.88 .80 .19 $2.87 = -.37 cent loss $2.87 = + .13
5 $1.90 $2.05 .80 .19 $3.04 = -.54 cent loss $3.04 = - .04 cent loss
6 $2.07 $2.22 .80 .19 $3.21 = - .71 cent loss $3.21 = - .21 cent loss
7 $2.24 $2.39 .80 .19 $3.38 = - .88 cent loss $3.38 = - .38 cent loss
8 $2.41 $2.56 .80 .19 NA $3.55 = - .55 cent loss
9 $2.58 $2.73 .80 .19 NA $3.72 = - .72 cent loss


And that's just the bottom tier stuff which makes up about 80 percent of my packages. I do 20-30 pacakges per day, so this is a $10-$15 per day hike in shipping costs on a shipping margin already losing money.

Just wait till Fee-Bay starts taking some of your shipping as part of their fee!!!

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Neil
Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With the government rampantly printing money and federal government deficits rising rapidly, ya gotta wonder if some day the US postage stamp prices won't resemble those of Germany in the 1920's. Copied from Wikipedia - "In 1923 during hyperinflation, the Reichspost issued stamps up to 50 billion marks."

    Yes, that's 50 billion marks for one postage stamp!

    But we all just keep taking it in like good little sheep...thank you ebay and thank you Mr. President...may I have another.
  • sportscardtheorysportscardtheory Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭
    Our government is sucking the life out of EVERYTHING.
  • ddfamfddfamf Posts: 507 ✭✭
    Sadly about 50% of American sheeple are apathetic.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    if you aren't factoring in potential savings from recycling other people's bubble mailers, then you're cheating yourself out of at least a little bit of an edge.

    you buy stuff on eBay, don't you Neil? do you reuse the packaging which you receive with your occasional awesome finds of never-before-discovered Non-Sports ancient artifacts? image

    i've already packed up 16 different lots for winners this morning and fifteen of them are in recycled bubble mailers, one in a Priority envelope.....net cost of packaging = 0

    granted, you do a much greater volume than i, but i can't help but wonder if you're giving yourself a fighting chance....we really have no other choice than to cut every corner we can....heck, i might start hitting up the neighbors for their bubble mailers.

    i just went to Office Depot yesterday for tape and envelopes, because i'd finally run out of everything i'd managed to scrape together, but it was my first visit since last August.
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070
    Why don't you do Paypal shipping? You may have said it somewhere else, but I'm just wondering.

    And, since the USPS isn't a government agency, and the government recently declined their request for a 1st class increase, your theories on the rising prices being are pretty off base. Wanna know why the prices jump? Lazy, overpaid union workers....
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    If you're paying $2-$3 to ship someone a $5 card then your problems go far beyond whatever is taking place with the USPS.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just wish there was a good dinner near my house - like the ones I see on Diners/Dives and Drive-ins!
    Mike
  • It's just a matter of time before ebay starts charging a "buyers premium" as well. All the major auction houses do it so why not ebay?
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  • << <i>It's just a matter of time before ebay starts charging a "buyers premium" as well. All the major auction houses do it so why not ebay? >>



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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭
    Izagoner
    Yes, its a good idea to recycle bubble envelopes but the cost of packing tape is CRAZY! You will use up that 11 cents it costs for that bubble envelope in no time.

    Neil
    If you are paying 19 cents for a bubble envelope with your volume, you are over paying by nearly 2x. I can buy my bubble envelopes for 11 cents each delivered.


  • << <i>It's just a matter of time before ebay starts charging a "buyers premium" as well. All the major auction houses do it so why not ebay? >>


    Because ebay decided a long time ago that it would distribute its alienation of customers using the following breakdown:

    sellers 100%
    buyers 0%


  • << <i>And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. >>


    This is costing you 61 cents PER PACKAGE. itzagoner is right that you're not giving yourself a fighting chance. Even with increased cost for paper and ink, you'll still easily save 50-55 cents or more.

    I hate rate increases as much as anybody (I'm the one who reuses stamps that arrive uncanceled), but if you're not going to utilize every advantage you can get, it seems idiotic to start a thread complaining about it.

    You can do a batch order of labels and have them scanned for acceptance when you dump them at the post office checkout counter. All the clerk has to do is scan a single barcode that includes all the packages in your batch order. The amount you'd save by doing this will more than offset current and future rate increases for years.
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    I heard somewhere that someone is challenging Ebay on taking a cut of the postage costs, that it is not legal. I think sellers need to start a movement to protest the Ebay/Paypal scam to collect fees off legitimate shipping costs. In the meantime I'll keep recycling bubble wraps and reusing uncancelled stamps.....Also you can get packing tape in bulk fairly reasonable, especially if they offer a $7 off coupon in their monthly Coupon book.
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    In my last post I left out that the packing tape comes from Costco
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    Barry, tape is cheap with a membership and a coupon, i saved 20% on the 6 rolls i just bought, which should last the rest of the year.

    self-sealable envelopes are cool and i also reuse any tape which can simply be peeled off and reapplied, happens pretty regularly.
  • AricAric Posts: 757 ✭✭
    Ebay updated their paypal postage rates but they don't match the new USPS rates. Here's what ebay is charging:

    1 ounce - 1.56
    2 ounce - 1.56
    3 ounce - 1.56
    4 ounce - 1.73
    5 ounce - 1.90
    6 ounce - 2.07

    Is it possible paypal postage will be getting a lower rate or is this an error?

    Here's what they should be:
    1 ounce - 1.71
    2 ounce - 1.71
    3 ounce - 1.71
    4 ounce - 1.88
    5 ounce - 2.05
    6 ounce - 2.22


  • << <i>

    << <i>And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. >>


    This is costing you 61 cents PER PACKAGE. itzagoner is right that you're not giving yourself a fighting chance. Even with increased cost for paper and ink, you'll still easily save 50-55 cents or more.

    I hate rate increases as much as anybody (I'm the one who reuses stamps that arrive uncanceled), but if you're not going to utilize every advantage you can get, it seems idiotic to start a thread complaining about it.

    You can do a batch order of labels and have them scanned for acceptance when you dump them at the post office checkout counter. All the clerk has to do is scan a single barcode that includes all the packages in your batch order. The amount you'd save by doing this will more than offset current and future rate increases for years. >>



    Morning,

    1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!

    2. Boo, I generally don't sell $5 items and that doesn't really have a wigsA$$ to do with this discussion, whether I am selling $20, $5 or $50 items the cost of USPS shipping just went up. Just posting that information, why do you have such a Frickin' problem with that? What is your problem with me in general that everytime I post something you have to somehow critisize my Business model....In reality you have no Frickin' clue what I am doing and/or not doing, so in the sake of being a Gentlemen why don't you in the future don't worry about making any more snyde A$$ comments about me or my posts! Thanks!

    3. I don't get the opportunity to re-use mailers as I don't buy that many differenent auctions. I tend to buy big lots or Higher dollar stuff and it only works out to about 3-5 actual packages coming my way per week. Most of my inventory comes from #$#$######%$%$#$$ and selling at the rate I am now or with a little accelleration over the next few years I have decades of Inventory.

    4. I buy my Mailers 6x9's from Royal Mailers, usually 1-2 thousand at a time, I thought I was paying about .19 cents each? Am I not? Cheaper?

    Have a Great afternoon!!!!

    Neil

    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why don't you do Paypal shipping? You may have said it somewhere else, but I'm just wondering..... >>




    ////////////////////////////////////

    I don't use it either.

    I don't trust that the items will be properly scanned. Thus, I use
    the more expensive DC from the USPS.

    But, I am going to rethink my longstanding scheme.

    ..........

    For most small items, I place them in a closed box at my own
    mailbox. They are stamped and have the DC attached; the
    carrier takes them away and they are always scanned properly.

    Since I already use red "SCAN ME" stickers, it may be that I
    should try PayPal postage and see how it goes.

    I have no desire to drive to the PO frequently. I will chat up my
    carrier and see if he can continue to grab my stuff - and make
    me feel secure about the scanning scheme - if I use PayPal
    postage. (I suspect he will tell me that "it will be fine;" and, it
    likely will be, until it isn't.)



    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!


    Neil, just playing devil's advocate here, but let's say we're talking about 3000 packages. Right now DC costs .80 with the green slip at the post office vs .19 through paypal. So we're talking a .61 cents per package savings using paypal. At 3000 packages, that's $1830. Now, let's assume any package you ship worth over $50 is sent signature confirmation. I can't imagine you would come anywhere near losing $1830 in packages worth under $50. Let's say the average lost package costs you $25; that's 72 packages lost/scammed out of the 3000 you sent. That rate of loss would be unheard of, so I really think you're costing yourself a lot of money by being a little overcautious. So a few guys scam you out of a few hundred in cards, it's really not worth shelling out $1800 in extra shipping fees.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    24 packages shipped today, total cost $74.49, each package includes the 80 cent Green DC label as that is something i do agree with as opposed to the website crapshoot.....also that amount is built in to my cost of shipping, so essentially the customer is paying for this security, which i believe protects us both.

    total amount collected for said 24 packages = $74.25 less about a dime apiece for the 8 packages that required an envelope for which i paid.

    so far, so good, although the 9% hack from eBay certainly won't help starting tomorrow.

    i've pledged my commitment to my buyers by actually lowering my shipping prices and i intend to stick by that policy....i believe that the small sacrifice made on behalf on shipping will be made up by eager bidders intending to win quality merchandise, and their desire to locate dealers who are NOT inflating costs to get back at the eBay/PayPal Evil Empire.
  • gameusedhoopgameusedhoop Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>72 packages lost/scammed out of the 3000 you sent. That rate of loss would be unheard of, so I really think you're costing yourself a lot of money by being a little overcautious. So a few guys scam you out of a few hundred in cards, it's really not worth shelling out $1800 in extra shipping fees. >>



    Any more than a handful of disputes will get him hammered on ebay. He'll lose any discounts that he gets, lose exposure having a lower rating, and lose customers when his feedback takes a hit too. DC is not a place to cheap out on, there are just too many scammers on ebay looking for freebies that have no problem taking your stuff and hammering your feedback also.
  • earlycalguyearlycalguy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭


    if you are mailing 20-30 packages a day then eBay must be doing something good for you.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!


    Neil, just playing devil's advocate here, but let's say we're talking about 3000 packages. Right now DC costs .80 with the green slip at the post office vs .19 through paypal. So we're talking a .61 cents per package savings using paypal. At 3000 packages, that's $1830. Now, let's assume any package you ship worth over $50 is sent signature confirmation. I can't imagine you would come anywhere near losing $1830 in packages worth under $50. Let's say the average lost package costs you $25; that's 72 packages lost/scammed out of the 3000 you sent. That rate of loss would be unheard of, so I really think you're costing yourself a lot of money by being a little overcautious. So a few guys scam you out of a few hundred in cards, it's really not worth shelling out $1800 in extra shipping fees. >>




    Shhhhhh......
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. >>


    This is costing you 61 cents PER PACKAGE. itzagoner is right that you're not giving yourself a fighting chance. Even with increased cost for paper and ink, you'll still easily save 50-55 cents or more.

    I hate rate increases as much as anybody (I'm the one who reuses stamps that arrive uncanceled), but if you're not going to utilize every advantage you can get, it seems idiotic to start a thread complaining about it.

    You can do a batch order of labels and have them scanned for acceptance when you dump them at the post office checkout counter. All the clerk has to do is scan a single barcode that includes all the packages in your batch order. The amount you'd save by doing this will more than offset current and future rate increases for years. >>



    Morning,

    1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!

    2. Boo, I generally don't sell $5 items and that doesn't really have a wigsA$$ to do with this discussion, whether I am selling $20, $5 or $50 items the cost of USPS shipping just went up. Just posting that information, why do you have such a Frickin' problem with that? What is your problem with me in general that everytime I post something you have to somehow critisize my Business model....In reality you have no Frickin' clue what I am doing and/or not doing, so in the sake of being a Gentlemen why don't you in the future don't worry about making any more snyde A$$ comments about me or my posts! Thanks!

    3. I don't get the opportunity to re-use mailers as I don't buy that many differenent auctions. I tend to buy big lots or Higher dollar stuff and it only works out to about 3-5 actual packages coming my way per week. Most of my inventory comes from #$#$######%$%$#$$ and selling at the rate I am now or with a little accelleration over the next few years I have decades of Inventory.

    4. I buy my Mailers 6x9's from Royal Mailers, usually 1-2 thousand at a time, I thought I was paying about .19 cents each? Am I not? Cheaper?

    Have a Great afternoon!!!!

    Neil >>




    That's fine- go ahead and insult me. By doing so I'm sure you'll solve all of your shipping issues.

  • cards651cards651 Posts: 665 ✭✭
    I am primarily a buyer although I sometimes sell as well. As a buyer of cards, the occasional negative does not bother me since I realize there are lots of scammers out there. As a buyer, I search eBay using Newly Listed or Ending Soonest so I do not quite understand how a seller loses 'exposure'. I think sellers are overly worried about the occasional negative. CdsNuts calculations make a lot of sense. It's always tough when you're dealing with a scammer and you hate to lose a penny to them but the overall extra costs added to every transaction does not make sense in the long run.
  • earlycalguyearlycalguy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭


    the extra money using DC thru the post office is one thing but then you have a lot of extra time too. printing postage thru paypal is quick and easy and eliminates the time spent at the post office.

    I ship a similar amount of items and have one package not show up in over 10k sent.


  • << <i>1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that! >>



    As a buyer, I think this is ridiculous. When I receive a package or bubble mailer with an electronic label, I have no doubt that it was sent with a confirmation number and scannable barcode. When I receive something with a handwritten address, I don't even notice if there's a green DC sticker. All I notice is the cheapness of the handwritten address.

    As a seller, I think this is ridiculous. It's a pure waste of 61 cents on every package. Whether you use the expensive green label or the electronic label, you're still at the mercy of the item being scanned properly at the final delivery point. I couldn't care less if packages I send get scanned for acceptance. All that matters is that they get scanned at delivery. There's no reason you couldn't use an electronic label AND add a small bright green sticker with big, bold, black letters saying "SCAN ME." Effectively, it would give you everything you need for a small fraction of the cost.


  • << <i>1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!


    Neil, just playing devil's advocate here, but let's say we're talking about 3000 packages. Right now DC costs .80 with the green slip at the post office vs .19 through paypal. So we're talking a .61 cents per package savings using paypal. At 3000 packages, that's $1830. Now, let's assume any package you ship worth over $50 is sent signature confirmation. I can't imagine you would come anywhere near losing $1830 in packages worth under $50. Let's say the average lost package costs you $25; that's 72 packages lost/scammed out of the 3000 you sent. That rate of loss would be unheard of, so I really think you're costing yourself a lot of money by being a little overcautious. So a few guys scam you out of a few hundred in cards, it's really not worth shelling out $1800 in extra shipping fees. >>



    Lee,

    Good points and the Math works, except I don't think I'd lose but 5-10 per year, but there are other considerations such as right now I have been getting my 20% discount for about 18 months this time around (Since the last Douchbag screwed me), I just checked my invoice for Feb., I paid them $630.00, had a good month. Let say $500 month average at 20% discount is $100, so $1200 a year in savings, all it takes is one or two douch's that have already ripped you off because they saw you didn't have DC, then the Neg you and give you 1's across the board, and or the combinations of the E-Bay cases against you for Non Delivery (Happens all the time), and poof Goodbye 20 % Discount, doesn't cover all of the added cost I bear but No DC..........................No thanks, I'll pay a little more for my peace of mind!! And its the Peace of Mind, as I said the USPS Green DC works!!

    Neil

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • gameusedhoopgameusedhoop Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭✭
    My point exactly. Just to lazy to spell it all out.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    seems to me there's no way to satisfy everyone unless you break perfectly even on shipping.

    if you make a penny, well you were trying to scam the buyer out of their money.

    if you lose a penny, you have no business sense.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I dunno....I just received a bubble mailer from a seller and in big bold letters it states:

    ZIP -e/USPS DELIVERY CONFIRMATION

    BIG BARCODE

    Bunch of numbers.

    It's actually 25% of the mailer.


    This same seller emailed me with tracking number when he mailed it out.

    Last week I had to look up a number using PP confirmation on the USPS site and it told me exactly where the package was.

    I think Neil is like me, we have yet to try it that way and it's a change. One that computer unsavy persons may feel uneasy about.

    They appear to work just like the green label ones.


    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't sell.

    I can't easily decipher what Neil put up there...

    way too complicated.

    Can someone who sells - explain the % of increase in cost to ship.

    Are most of you doing the 'free shipping' or what?

    What is the % of cost for shipping - and what is the % of cost to ebay and paypal?

    E.g., I just sold a baseball card for 100 bucks...

    what is the total breakdown - a guestimate is fine with me.
    Mike
  • Mike, he's saying that his seller fees (insertion fees + final value fees) typically add up to about $500/month. With his 20% powerseller discount, he pays $400, for a savings of $100/month or $1200/year. If he loses his preferred powerseller status (because of claims filed against him and/or dinged stars) he'll lose that 20% discount.

    Neil, I'm curious if you manually enter every DC barcode number into ebay for the buyer's benefit using the "Add a tracking number" link on the description page of every sold item. If not, I'd consider the standard DC label inferior to the electronic one.

    The barcodes on the electronic printed labels are larger (as Steve mentioned) than the barcodes on the green DC labels, and the destination address is printed for you. All you have to do is measure the dimensions of the sealed package and weigh it, and ebay/PP does literally ALL the other work. And you don't have to wait every day at the post office to mail your crap. You just dump it in the drop box and you're done.

    Saving 61 cents per package plus the amount of time you'd save not waiting would be well worth it for you to switch. I understand the point you made about the $1200 in annual savings from your 20% discount, but it's not like the electronic labels completely lack tracking barcodes. In the end, I suppose it boils down to personal preference, but there's really no technical difference between the standard barcode and the electronic one, and many buyers actually PREFER the electronic one.
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070
    Did I gather from all that, Neil, that you think the Paypal DC labels aren't always scanned?
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The post from CDsNuts I agree with and I do use that basic formula...but I tweak it a little bit. Just in a nutshell, if it's a "solid" ebay buyer who often leaves nice feedback, etc...for a low dollar item...I don't bother with any Post Office extras, and it definitely pays to do that. However if I see that the ebay buyer is a bit of a jerk, leaves backhanded comments even with positives, and leaves a number of neutrals and negs, I definitely use the works when sending out a package to an idiot like that.

    Anything over $250, that's too much money that I would want to lose, so I do signature confirmation as required to defend a PayPal claim of not receiving the package, for every order I send out regardless of the buyer's ebay feedback.
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    Raising shipping charges will jeopardize your discount a lot more than paypal dc.

    I've used it for years, and have never had a problem. I'm not a mega-seller, but my annual sales are always in the six figure range with a good amount of lower end items.
  • fandangofandango Posts: 2,622


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. >>


    This is costing you 61 cents PER PACKAGE. itzagoner is right that you're not giving yourself a fighting chance. Even with increased cost for paper and ink, you'll still easily save 50-55 cents or more.

    I hate rate increases as much as anybody (I'm the one who reuses stamps that arrive uncanceled), but if you're not going to utilize every advantage you can get, it seems idiotic to start a thread complaining about it.

    You can do a batch order of labels and have them scanned for acceptance when you dump them at the post office checkout counter. All the clerk has to do is scan a single barcode that includes all the packages in your batch order. The amount you'd save by doing this will more than offset current and future rate increases for years. >>



    Morning,

    1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!

    2. Boo, I generally don't sell $5 items and that doesn't really have a wigsA$$ to do with this discussion, whether I am selling $20, $5 or $50 items the cost of USPS shipping just went up. Just posting that information, why do you have such a Frickin' problem with that? What is your problem with me in general that everytime I post something you have to somehow critisize my Business model....In reality you have no Frickin' clue what I am doing and/or not doing, so in the sake of being a Gentlemen why don't you in the future don't worry about making any more snyde A$$ comments about me or my posts! Thanks!

    3. I don't get the opportunity to re-use mailers as I don't buy that many differenent auctions. I tend to buy big lots or Higher dollar stuff and it only works out to about 3-5 actual packages coming my way per week. Most of my inventory comes from #$#$######%$%$#$$ and selling at the rate I am now or with a little accelleration over the next few years I have decades of Inventory.

    4. I buy my Mailers 6x9's from Royal Mailers, usually 1-2 thousand at a time, I thought I was paying about .19 cents each? Am I not? Cheaper?

    Have a Great afternoon!!!!

    Neil >>



    BAM you told him!
  • ga5150ga5150 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭
    I know it's not the same, but I've been buying (cheaply) these little green stickers that say "USPS Delivery Confirmation" and then in large black bold letters "SCAN ME".

    I attach them to every PP shipping label that I print out when I mail packages. I don't know if it helps, but is sure doesn't cost an extra .61 cents per package and the green color make it look very official.


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been thinking about this debate of PP DC vs PO DC and I'm just wondering if anyone had any real or even anecdotal evidence to illustrate that PO DC is somehow "more effective" than PP DC. I've shipped thousands of packages using PP DC and Stamps.com DC and I have never had a problem. If you get a lazy carrier who doesn't bother scanning the DC into the system will it really matter which form of DC the shipper uses? Because I just don't buy the fact that the "green slip" is somehow more revered and/or prevents fraudulent claims by buyers.


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  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926
    I have shipped 784 packages so far this year using Paypals shipping lables and knock on wood I have not had any issues. I used to take stuff to the PO and stand in line everyday waiting on slow clerks or people trying to buy money orders that can't even speak english and hated ievery minute of it, especially around the holidays.

    Now I print my lables, toss it in a USPS tote and set it out on my porch. For me personally I will never switch back, it is not worth my time. (my wife is home all day and we live in a remote enough area that I do not have to worry about somebody walking off with my tote)

    As a buyer I prefer sellers who use Paypal shipping because I can check delivery status whenever I want. I hate when sellers don't use Paypal shipping and they send me an email telling me my package has shipped and 7-10 days later it still hasn't arrived. I have no way of knowing if they actually shipped it or if it is still sitting on their desk.

    Once 10 days roll around I then have to email the seller and wait for them to respond which seems like it takes a day or two to get a response. If I would ever ding a sellers stars it would be for that reason. At least when they use Paypal I can tell if it has actually been shipped.



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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


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    << <i>And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. >>


    This is costing you 61 cents PER PACKAGE. itzagoner is right that you're not giving yourself a fighting chance. Even with increased cost for paper and ink, you'll still easily save 50-55 cents or more.

    I hate rate increases as much as anybody (I'm the one who reuses stamps that arrive uncanceled), but if you're not going to utilize every advantage you can get, it seems idiotic to start a thread complaining about it.

    You can do a batch order of labels and have them scanned for acceptance when you dump them at the post office checkout counter. All the clerk has to do is scan a single barcode that includes all the packages in your batch order. The amount you'd save by doing this will more than offset current and future rate increases for years. >>



    Morning,

    1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!

    2. Boo, I generally don't sell $5 items and that doesn't really have a wigsA$$ to do with this discussion, whether I am selling $20, $5 or $50 items the cost of USPS shipping just went up. Just posting that information, why do you have such a Frickin' problem with that? What is your problem with me in general that everytime I post something you have to somehow critisize my Business model....In reality you have no Frickin' clue what I am doing and/or not doing, so in the sake of being a Gentlemen why don't you in the future don't worry about making any more snyde A$$ comments about me or my posts! Thanks!

    3. I don't get the opportunity to re-use mailers as I don't buy that many differenent auctions. I tend to buy big lots or Higher dollar stuff and it only works out to about 3-5 actual packages coming my way per week. Most of my inventory comes from #$#$######%$%$#$$ and selling at the rate I am now or with a little accelleration over the next few years I have decades of Inventory.

    4. I buy my Mailers 6x9's from Royal Mailers, usually 1-2 thousand at a time, I thought I was paying about .19 cents each? Am I not? Cheaper?

    Have a Great afternoon!!!!

    Neil >>



    BAM you told him! >>





    Yep, 'he told him'. You go, girl. Keep paying $.80 per package for the 'pizazz factor', and don't think for a minute that there's anything wrong with that. God bless you both- may you advance and go far.

  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    I'm going to offer a slightly different take on the whole "green label D/C vs PP D/C" argument: when I see the greed D/C label, my first thought is "this person is either not a big enough of a seller to realize there is a better way, or they enjoy wasting their (or my) $ and time waiting at the post office."

    Using the online D/C is cheaper, easier, automatically updates the buyer and enters the D/C # to eBay, and also allows you to take advantage of that Ad Supported Shipping option on eBay a lot easier (it feeds the D/C #'s into there as well). If the post office is going to lose your package, they are going to lose it no matter what D/C you have on it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm ticked off about all of the fee increases both on eBay and the USPS (I checked my settings twice when printing out my first label this morning), but it does seem like you have a few areas where you can cut costs without giving up service or security.
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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
  • You all suck! image
  • AricAric Posts: 757 ✭✭


    << <i> when I see the greed D/C label, my first thought is "this person is either not a big enough of a seller to realize there is a better way, or they enjoy wasting their (or my) $ and time waiting at the post office."
    >>



    This
  • Did this entire thread really happen? Is the OP really trying to justify wasting $0.61 per package? Reminds me of my Dad who refuses to get a cell phone, computer or even caller ID on his home phone because technology scares him.

    Over 10 years on ebay and never had a package mysteriously disappear because I used paypal shipping. The only one I have ever even had "lost" in the mail was eventually found in the trunk of my car about 2 months later. Let me guess, I and the millions of other sellers that have never had a problem with PP shipping, just got really really lucky?
  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Maverick11
    Hi, hello, how are ya? image

    BTW: Listen to your Dad, he is wise beyond his years.
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    Ralph

  • Hey Maverick,

    I can go two better with my dad....he also still has a rotary phone and still doesn't have cable/satelitte TV. It's like walking into a time warp every time I go over there.
    From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo.
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  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923
    I am not a big time seller.

    However I am gearing up though from now until the end of the year to try and make some coin to make up for my non employed status. I am almost top rated seller and can't wait to get the 20% discount. I can see why sellers need the discount to actually survive on ebay.


    USPS Green DC package cost $2.51

    PP shipping label package costs $1.75

    $.76 times 100 packages = $76


    The problem is which if the two evils would you rather feed?

    For me I rather feed neither and keep my money. Unfortunately I don't have many choices so I choose to not give out any more of my profits or losses then I have to.

    If that makes any sense?

    Good Luck Mr. Neil. I hope whatever you end up doing works out for you.



  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>And don't start about the cheaper Paypal DC...won't do it. >>


    This is costing you 61 cents PER PACKAGE. itzagoner is right that you're not giving yourself a fighting chance. Even with increased cost for paper and ink, you'll still easily save 50-55 cents or more.

    I hate rate increases as much as anybody (I'm the one who reuses stamps that arrive uncanceled), but if you're not going to utilize every advantage you can get, it seems idiotic to start a thread complaining about it.

    You can do a batch order of labels and have them scanned for acceptance when you dump them at the post office checkout counter. All the clerk has to do is scan a single barcode that includes all the packages in your batch order. The amount you'd save by doing this will more than offset current and future rate increases for years. >>



    Morning,

    1. As has been discussed many many times before, I do the GREEN USPS DC because I believe 100% that it eliminates the Greed in Buyers, the Paypal label does not have the PiZazzz!! that the Green USPS does, and how do I know it works, in the last 2-3 thousand packages haven't had a single one disappear! Period! They either see the Green Label and don't try to pull a scam, or I have had a couple dozen ask where there package is and as soon as I mention that I put USPS DC on it, no second E-Mail asking....Imagine that!

    2. Boo, I generally don't sell $5 items and that doesn't really have a wigsA$$ to do with this discussion, whether I am selling $20, $5 or $50 items the cost of USPS shipping just went up. Just posting that information, why do you have such a Frickin' problem with that? What is your problem with me in general that everytime I post something you have to somehow critisize my Business model....In reality you have no Frickin' clue what I am doing and/or not doing, so in the sake of being a Gentlemen why don't you in the future don't worry about making any more snyde A$$ comments about me or my posts! Thanks!

    3. I don't get the opportunity to re-use mailers as I don't buy that many differenent auctions. I tend to buy big lots or Higher dollar stuff and it only works out to about 3-5 actual packages coming my way per week. Most of my inventory comes from #$#$######%$%$#$$ and selling at the rate I am now or with a little accelleration over the next few years I have decades of Inventory.

    4. I buy my Mailers 6x9's from Royal Mailers, usually 1-2 thousand at a time, I thought I was paying about .19 cents each? Am I not? Cheaper?

    Have a Great afternoon!!!!

    Neil >>



    Please stop saying "morning" when it's the afternoon. Do you live in a cave?

    Also, I believe USPS applies a surcharge for Nazi cards. They just weigh more, man.
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